T-1 pro, take with or without creatine?
- 06-30-2003, 01:14 PM
T-1 pro, take with or without creatine?
Im about to start taking t-1 pro, I have been mixing like 7 grams of creatine monohydrate in my post workout shake for about a year. I heard I should stop taking creatine during my t-1 cycle and add it imediately after. I also have a jug of SWOLE by syntrax lying around which I have been reading many people on here like cuz its like v-12. Should I start using this product during my T-1 pro cycle or just leave out the creatine completely and wait till after so it dosen't fight the T-1 for absorption? Thanx....FLU
- 06-30-2003, 01:28 PM
Million dollar question here. It basically comes down to personal preference. Myself, I stay on creatine for the first two weeks of my cycle then load again during my post cycle. Later J
06-30-2003, 01:30 PM
I agree.... I like to recommend it post cycle for the simple fact a lot of people see decent strength gains with it.... so its good to start say around the last day of your 1-test to keep the muscle bellies full and keep your strength up, or even increase it some if you're lucky.
06-30-2003, 01:43 PM
Bro here's an article for you to read, Micro posted this on OSBB but it's originally from Lawnsaver over a Steriodology. So give him the credit.
Hey fellas.Just dug up an interesting read out of one of my old Ironman mags.The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh....Huck
06-30-2003, 02:43 PM
IMO save it for post cycle, that's what I do. It seems that considering the androgens you are on (1-test and 4-ad) that creatine's effects won't necessarily help you that much while on cycle, but as said above should help you retain some gains and strength post cycle.
06-30-2003, 10:29 PM
Huh, we'll that read would make me think it would be beter to stay on creatine during my T-1 cycle; however, that article is aimed towards being on sauce and not Ph's so that could be the difference. So you guys think I should maybe stay on for the first wk of T-1 cycle, then get off for 3 wks and load up hard right after cycle. What did you get out of that read Jminis? Thanx fella's...FLU
06-30-2003, 10:51 PM
Well what the article says is it's better to stay on when taking steroids. And even though technically you are taking "Ph's" we all know better. So....... I would basically suggest try both ways and see what happens. Creatine is cheap so it's not going to break the bank so feel free to experiment and decide what works best for you. Everyone's different. On my last cycle I did what I mentioned above in my other post and it seems to be working well. Next cycle I plan on staying on the entire cycle and compare the results. Either way you go you'll be fine, creatine is a great supp IMO. Later J
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