Nor / 4 AD transdermal homebrew

[jediclampet]

I will be doing my first PH cycle in about a month. I have decided to try a Nor / 4 AD transderma stack for 4 weeks with 2 daily doses at 300 mgs of Nordiol and 150 mgs of 4-AD, both transdermals.

I was going to buy noraderm and 4-aderm but they are expensive. I will if I have too but I'd love to make a homebrew version instead. I've been researching it.

What kind of Nordiol and 4 AD should I buy?

Would it go something like this for 1 bottle of 240ml:

8 gm Nordiol / 4 gm 4 AD

40% ISO is 96ml

15% IPP is 36ml

15% IPM is 36ml

10% OA is 24ml

10% PG is 24ml

10% DMSO is 24ml

-put these in a hairspray bottle for application.

 

[MarcusG]

The formular is correct although you can save yourself the trouble and buy t-gel (from member stores) which I did. DMSO irritates my skin alot, so I use just 5% and add more ISO.

 

[jediclampet]

Thanks MarcusG. What should the "powder of choice" be that I add to the t-gel? In other words, what are the best sources for nordiol and 4-AD to use?

 

[MarcusG]

?? Didn't you say you wanted a nordiol + 4AD combo? Theres only one nordiol and one 4-ad as far as I know. I assume you don't want the dione versions of those 2 which aren't any good.

 

[jediclampet]

So I would just add to the t-gel:

1) 8 grams of the 1fast400 19-Nor Powder
2) 4 grams of the 1fast400 4-AD Powder

Do I need the cypionate versions of these powders?

Is that right - add 12 grams of PH powder to each bottle of t-gel?

Will I need anything else besides my post-cycle stuff?

 

[maggmaster]

get em from 1 fast hes got good stuff and decent prices plus hes a quality guy. Shippings quick to.

 

[jediclampet]

Sounds good. T-gel from the member store and PH powders from 1 fast.

Cypionate versions of the powders or not? What does cypionate do?

For future reference, do I use the same powder for the t-gel formula as with the solvents in the recipe above?


I really appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge with the newbie!

 

[MarcusG]

How old are you Jediclampet? Not being an ass but I hope you are at least 21 to be using phs and had a few hard years training under your belt.
To answer your question - cypionate is specifically for injections not transdermal. Steroid faqs will tell more.

 

[jediclampet]

I am 32 and have been training hard without PH's for a few years. No injections for me, thanks. I will not be buying the cypionate.

Right now I am cutting to try to shed some BF before trying my first PH cycle.

While I have the attention of some knowledgeable bros, please let me ask a couple of other questions.

I still wonder about the quantities of PH powder required. I am still considering other PH's but this will work for a theoretical discussion.

If I want to run 600 mg Nor and 300 mg 4 AD a day for 30 days, that would mean I need:

.6 x 30 = 18 gms of Nordiol

and

.3 x 30 = 9 gms of 4 AD

But these calculations assume that the powder is the pure PH? Surely the powder is not the pure PH!

So, how many grams of powder of each would I buy for that cycle?

Also, how many applications of the lotion should I make per day?

Sorry if these are silly questions. Thanks again!

 

[Kitchen Chemist]

**** bro that's a difficult task at hand, the most ph's per bottle should be 15 grams and you have 9 of one and 18 of another. Make it simple and either use 15g of nor in one bottle and 9g of 4-ad in another bottle of gel and apply each together or if you're set on using 600mg a day of nor then buy three bottles of gel total and add nine grams of each per bottle. I suggest you homebrew your own to save your ass some money The powders are very high quality from 1fast, should be very close to 100%!

 

[jediclampet]

Thanks kitchen chemist for the information. I will be following your suggestion of keeping the nor and 4-AD in separate bottles.

Thanks for putting up with my pestering idiotic questions. You guys kick ass!

Do I just put it all together at room temp and shake vigorously or should I heat it - I suspect the PH's are heat labile so this might not be smart? Store in the refrdgerator?

Thanks again!!!

 

[Kitchen Chemist]

For gel, i've read that you should add slowly and shake frequently. Heat is no problem, not microwave but hot water, let it sit in it.

 

[lancelot]

If your trying to cut, don't add the 4-ad. i am on Nor-aderm right now with 1,4 andro. 4-ad just gives me too much bloat esp on the face and tummy.

 

[jediclampet]

Think it would help reduce bloating to run 10 mg of nolva with the 4AD?

 

[ckoch1722]

Originally posted by lancelot
If your trying to cut, don't add the 4-ad. i am on Nor-aderm right now with 1,4 andro. 4-ad just gives me too much bloat esp on the face and tummy.

lanelot, aren't you very lethargic?

 

[Kitchen Chemist]

He's not using 1-test only nor and 4-ad which neither leave you feeling lethargenic.

 

[ckoch1722]

kitchem chem- no he is using nordiol and 1,4 andro not 4AD, he said he didn't like the bloating.  not trying to be an asshole, i was just pointing it out.

lancelot do you like that stack, how is it working out for you?  are u staying the same weight losing body fat?  strength going up at all?

kitchen chemist- what would be the advantage to adding 4ad to his stack?

 

[lancelot]

Think it would help reduce bloating to run 10 mg of nolva with the 4AD?

definitely helped me with the 4-ad bloating

 

[lancelot]

lanelot, aren't you very lethargic?

NO

 

[lancelot]

He's not using 1-test only nor and 4-ad which neither leave you feeling lethargenic.

you are correct!

 

[lancelot]

lancelot do you like that stack, how is it working out for you?  are u staying the same weight losing body fat?  strength going up at all?

Luv the lean gains with Nordiol and minimal sides. 1-ad/1-test had too many sides for me, but also gave the most strength and weight gains. 4-ad bloated me too much cuz i still have that dam roid gut! run an anti-e if you're prone to 4-ad bloat. good luck and happy hormoning!

 

[phuuma]

Hi guys quick question about where to actually find this T-gel. I looked in the member store and I do not see it, it is listed on the homepage in big green type but doesn't actually show up anywhere on the site for purchase. Am I missing something?

 

[Kitchen Chemist]

Powernutrition.net is out right now, they'll turn it back on in the store when it's back in stock.