Nor / 4 AD transdermal homebrew
06-30-2003 03:04 AM
Nor / 4 AD transdermal homebrew
I will be doing my first PH cycle in about a month. I have decided to try a Nor / 4 AD transderma stack for 4 weeks with 2 daily doses at 300 mgs of Nordiol and 150 mgs of 4-AD, both transdermals.
I was going to buy noraderm and 4-aderm but they are expensive. I will if I have too but I'd love to make a homebrew version instead. I've been researching it.
What kind of Nordiol and 4 AD should I buy?
Would it go something like this for 1 bottle of 240ml:
8 gm Nordiol / 4 gm 4 AD
40% ISO is 96ml
15% IPP is 36ml
15% IPM is 36ml
10% OA is 24ml
10% PG is 24ml
10% DMSO is 24ml
-put these in a hairspray bottle for application.
06-30-2003 11:28 AM
The formular is correct although you can save yourself the trouble and buy t-gel (from member stores) which I did. DMSO irritates my skin alot, so I use just 5% and add more ISO.
06-30-2003 03:30 PM
Thanks MarcusG. What should the "powder of choice" be that I add to the t-gel? In other words, what are the best sources for nordiol and 4-AD to use?
06-30-2003 03:46 PM
?? Didn't you say you wanted a nordiol + 4AD combo? Theres only one nordiol and one 4-ad as far as I know. I assume you don't want the dione versions of those 2 which aren't any good.
06-30-2003 04:52 PM
So I would just add to the t-gel:
1) 8 grams of the 1fast400 19-Nor Powder
2) 4 grams of the 1fast400 4-AD Powder
Do I need the cypionate versions of these powders?
Is that right - add 12 grams of PH powder to each bottle of t-gel?
Will I need anything else besides my post-cycle stuff?
06-30-2003 04:53 PM
get em from 1 fast hes got good stuff and decent prices plus hes a quality guy. Shippings quick to.
06-30-2003 05:18 PM
Sounds good. T-gel from the member store and PH powders from 1 fast.
Cypionate versions of the powders or not? What does cypionate do?
For future reference, do I use the same powder for the t-gel formula as with the solvents in the recipe above?
I really appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge with the newbie!
06-30-2003 07:41 PM
How old are you Jediclampet? Not being an ass but I hope you are at least 21 to be using phs and had a few hard years training under your belt.
To answer your question - cypionate is specifically for injections not transdermal. Steroid faqs will tell more.
06-30-2003 09:20 PM
I am 32 and have been training hard without PH's for a few years. No injections for me, thanks. I will not be buying the cypionate.
Right now I am cutting to try to shed some BF before trying my first PH cycle.
While I have the attention of some knowledgeable bros, please let me ask a couple of other questions.
I still wonder about the quantities of PH powder required. I am still considering other PH's but this will work for a theoretical discussion.
If I want to run 600 mg Nor and 300 mg 4 AD a day for 30 days, that would mean I need:
.6 x 30 = 18 gms of Nordiol
.3 x 30 = 9 gms of 4 AD
But these calculations assume that the powder is the pure PH? Surely the powder is not the pure PH!
So, how many grams of powder of each would I buy for that cycle?
Also, how many applications of the lotion should I make per day?
Sorry if these are silly questions. Thanks again!
06-30-2003 10:23 PM
**** bro that's a difficult task at hand, the most ph's per bottle should be 15 grams and you have 9 of one and 18 of another. Make it simple and either use 15g of nor in one bottle and 9g of 4-ad in another bottle of gel and apply each together or if you're set on using 600mg a day of nor then buy three bottles of gel total and add nine grams of each per bottle. I suggest you homebrew your own to save your ass some money The powders are very high quality from 1fast, should be very close to 100%!
07-01-2003 12:23 AM
Thanks kitchen chemist for the information. I will be following your suggestion of keeping the nor and 4-AD in separate bottles.
Thanks for putting up with my pestering idiotic questions. You guys kick ass!
Do I just put it all together at room temp and shake vigorously or should I heat it - I suspect the PH's are heat labile so this might not be smart? Store in the refrdgerator?
Last edited by jediclampet; 07-01-2003 at 02:41 AM.
07-01-2003 05:00 AM
For gel, i've read that you should add slowly and shake frequently. Heat is no problem, not microwave but hot water, let it sit in it.
07-30-2003 08:10 PM
If your trying to cut, don't add the 4-ad. i am on Nor-aderm right now with 1,4 andro. 4-ad just gives me too much bloat esp on the face and tummy.
07-30-2003 09:28 PM
Think it would help reduce bloating to run 10 mg of nolva with the 4AD?
08-27-2003 06:23 PM
lanelot, aren't you very lethargic? Originally posted by lancelot If your trying to cut, don't add the 4-ad. i am on Nor-aderm right now with 1,4 andro. 4-ad just gives me too much bloat esp on the face and tummy.
08-27-2003 06:34 PM
He's not using 1-test only nor and 4-ad which neither leave you feeling lethargenic.
08-27-2003 07:11 PM
kitchem chem- no he is using nordiol and 1,4 andro not 4AD, he said he didn't like the bloating. not trying to be an *******, i was just pointing it out.
lancelot do you like that stack, how is it working out for you? are u staying the same weight losing body fat? strength going up at all?
kitchen chemist- what would be the advantage to adding 4ad to his stack?
08-28-2003 12:58 AM
definitely helped me with the 4-ad bloating Originally posted by jediclampet Think it would help reduce bloating to run 10 mg of nolva with the 4AD?
08-28-2003 01:01 AM
NO Originally posted by ckoch1722
lanelot, aren't you very lethargic?
08-28-2003 01:02 AM
you are correct! Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist He's not using 1-test only nor and 4-ad which neither leave you feeling lethargenic.
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