4AD Question : Conversion
- 06-01-2007, 09:53 PM
- 06-01-2007, 11:14 PM
I believe the conversion rate is 15.76%
So 2000 mg of 4AD would be about 315 mg of test.
- 06-02-2007, 12:55 AM
06-02-2007, 01:09 AM
yeah i think oral availability is 5%... so if we add up oral at 5% and conversion at 16% we get like 16mg of Test. However, 5% of the 2000mg will be bioavaiable so 100mg of the 4AD will be in the bloodstream and the 4AD molecule itself is 80-90% as anabolic as testosterone....
Someone correct me if i am wrong
06-02-2007, 01:11 AM
Why not take it transdermally?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-02-2007, 01:28 AM
06-02-2007, 01:54 AM
i only have 250mg caps... i cant poor them in a transdermal can i?? what about the filler? and what the heck is cypinonate-ally
06-02-2007, 02:03 AM
ALSO, i have beta-cyclodextrin... can i mix this in saline with the 4AD caps and use it sublingual/ or would it possibly enhance absorption in the stomach???
06-02-2007, 10:48 AM
06-02-2007, 11:06 AM
Yeah, thats probably true. 15.76% of the 4AD that makes it into the blood stream converts to test.
06-02-2007, 11:13 AM
5-10% bioavailable depending upon who you reference and I am sure that fat intake and things like that could get it to 10% maybe.
2g/d x 5% x 15.76% = 15.76mg test/d x 7/d = 110.3mg test/w.
2g/d x 10% x 15.76% = 31.52mg test/d x 7/d = 220.6mg test/w.
06-02-2007, 12:52 PM
ok but the 4AD molecule itself is anabolic correct??
06-02-2007, 01:33 PM
06-02-2007, 02:07 PM
06-02-2007, 02:09 PM
An esterfied version of 4AD (e.g. Test Cypionate).
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-02-2007, 02:13 PM
do you have to inject it or can it be used orally??? I have searched but cant find answer
And if orally, can you convert 4AD into it somehow?
06-02-2007, 02:21 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-02-2007, 02:26 PM
You are making this much more complicated than it has to be. Dude, just eat the capsules. It is what it is. All your effort and research can't improve upon it.
06-02-2007, 02:42 PM
Ok but how does the 4AD molecule being active itself compare to testosterone... i hear 90% as anabolic and 113% as androgenic... is this correct... cause if so 2000mg would yield 100mg active 4AD int he body, thats pretty awesome
06-02-2007, 07:51 PM
06-02-2007, 08:13 PM
06-02-2007, 08:19 PM
well... bb.com for one says 4AD is 60-80% as anabolic by itself...
Bodybuilding.com - Jeff McCarrell - Legal Steroids: The History Of Prohormones So Far!
Another quote: "However, 4-androstenediol, is easily a great choice. First, it won't convert to estrogen. Secondly, this allows for a moderate increase in endogenous Testosterone via 3beta-HSD. Lastly, the prohormone itself is anabolic, 95% as anabolic as Testosterone. This is really the main way in which it works."
Testosterone Nation - The Pro-Steroid Roundtable
That is Bill Roberts and Cy Wilson themselves stating this....
And from this board:
"it's 80% as anabolic as testosterone and 120% as androgenic."
In theory 4AD is 90% as anabolic as Testosterone itself.(hence can in theory not constrained by the max 15% enzyme conversion limit) but in practice it is observed to be around 40-50% as anabolic as Testosterone. Hence all PH are constrained by enzyme conversion limitation(the max rate is less than 14.7%, your actual conversion rate in practice is likely to be lower)
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06-03-2007, 05:39 PM
06-04-2007, 09:50 AM
06-04-2007, 06:19 PM
06-04-2007, 06:24 PM
nutraplanet makes penetrate
keep in mind, as fritzer said it's not like the 4ad is doing absolutely nothing if it doesn't convert
06-04-2007, 06:53 PM
so i would put 12g of the 4AD (250mg per cap= 48caps) in the 240mL penetrate bottle after it is heated, shake shake shake, then coffee filter...voila??
06-04-2007, 07:08 PM
ALSO, could 1,4AD be made into a transdermal the same way...would it up conversion rate similarily?
06-04-2007, 10:31 PM
I have no idea about how to make the caps into a transdermal, sorry, but with the estimated oral bioavailability of the 1,4 you may very well get less out of a transdermal than you would orally
06-04-2007, 10:35 PM
06-04-2007, 10:46 PM
06-05-2007, 12:01 AM
for the 1,4 i think the bioavailability is like 30-45% orally, whereas even with a good trans like penetrate i think it is speculated from like 25-45% depending on who you ask, so you might be paying for the carrier and the hassle for the same or less effectiveness
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