havoc cycle

FitModel

FitModel

Active member
This cycle is mainly to reduce existing gyno and add a few lbs of lean mass...

weeks 1-4 Havoc 30mgs

PCT :
weeks 5-9 Nolva 60,40,40,20
weeks 5-9 ATD recommended dose
weeks 5-9 Trib product
(might also incorporate Clomid, as i'm prone to shutdown)

question! how should I incorporate Retain 2 ... some say to start 2nd week of PCT, pyramid up/down...?
 
A) 60mg of nolva is rarely needed, that is way too high. If anything start at 40mg, but really I would eliminate the nolva and go for toremifene with these orals. Better on lipid recovery, less toxic, and it really brings the boys back a lot faster.

B) If you are just looking to get rid of the gyno I would start off on 20mg. More isn't necessarily better since it is still an androgen, you don't want to go too high if you are trying to reduce gyno. I actually had wonderful gains on 20mg split up in morning and evening doses.

C) ATD sucks for PCT. It is a great AI for on cycle but really any 6-bromo product will be much better on the libido. ATD for some reason just kills your libido and if you put that with nolva especially you are going to be hurting lol.

The recovery on Havoc/Epi is really good though you will see, that is the big positive. At lower dosages you probably won't need to go past 2 weeks of PCT.
 
LakeMountD said:
A) 60mg of nolva is rarely needed, that is way too high. If anything start at 40mg, but really I would eliminate the nolva and go for toremifene with these orals. Better on lipid recovery, less toxic, and it really brings the boys back a lot faster.

B) If you are just looking to get rid of the gyno I would start off on 20mg. More isn't necessarily better since it is still an androgen, you don't want to go too high if you are trying to reduce gyno. I actually had wonderful gains on 20mg split up in morning and evening doses.

C) ATD sucks for post cycle therapy. It is a great AI for on cycle but really any 6-bromo product will be much better on the libido. ATD for some reason just kills your libido and if you put that with nolva especially you are going to be hurting lol.

The recovery on Havoc/Epi is really good though you will see, that is the big positive. At lower dosages you probably won't need to go past 2 weeks of PCT.
Click to expand...

I was thinking the same thign about the nolva...I'll go with toremifene then...

also, do you recommend anything in place of ATD?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top