Last minute 3AD info...

[pudzian2]

anyone know the anabolic:androgenic ratio of this compound??

[same_old]

i'm also curious....

[coug42]

Could be wrong but i thought it said in the original right up that it had a ratio of 1.8x.(40% as androgenic as test and 70% anabolic)

[haroldjg]

Could be wrong but i thought it said in the original right up that it had a ratio of 1.8x.(40% as androgenic as test and 70% anabolic)

That was for the unconverted substance. I believe they are looking for the AA ratio for the target hormone.

[coug42]

oh, now i guess it says 50% as androgenic and 70% as anabolic as test. ratio~1.4x ?

[coug42]

So if the target hormone is 11-ketotestosterone, than is 11-oxo the active version and 3ad is just a precursor that is converted to this in the body. I was a lil confused why PA chose to label the ingredients of 11-oxo as Adrenosterone while 3ad is labeled as being adrenodione?

[haroldjg]

So if the target hormone is 11-ketotestosterone, than is 11-oxo the active version and 3ad is just a precursor that is converted to this in the body. I was a lil confused why PA chose to label the ingredients of 11-oxo as Adrenosterone while 3ad is labeled as being adrenodione?

I dont even know what the target hormone is!!!lol. I just got so sick of digging through all the crap to find the goods on that substance. I decided to just wait until a later time, when the info was more readilly available.

[coug42]

i found it. Andrenosterone is converted to 11-ketotestosterone in the body so adrenodione=adrenosterone just different nomenclature. Just thought it was strange cuz ph's usually contain a -dione or -diol in the nomenclature while active hormones sometimes do not.

I found quite a few articles and research on 11-ketotestosterone actually inducing spermatogenesis.(no studies done on humans only fish. lol!)

[same_old]

i found it. Andrenosterone is converted to 11-ketotestosterone in the body so adrenodione=adrenosterone just different nomenclature. Just thought it was strange cuz ph's usually contain a -dione or -diol in the nomenclature while active hormones sometimes do not.

I found quite a few articles and research on 11-ketotestosterone actually inducing spermatogenesis.(no studies done on humans only fish. lol!)

would you post them, please? i'd like to see, without doing my own research

[coug42]

would you post them, please? i'd like to see, without doing my own research

Just google the compound name. you'll find a few things. I've got physics and o-chem homework to do!

[haroldjg]

Just google the compound name. you'll find a few things. I've got physics and o-chem homework to do!

summer school sucks!!! I just couldnt bring myself to do it this year.

[coug42]

no joke. i gotta cram some classes in though so that i can take the MCAT next April.

[pudzian2]

hmm i think 11-keto is probably better for fat loss\cortisol control (which would lead to gaining lean muscle) than for direct mass building. but hey, the safety of this compound seems so good that even the most modest gains would be nice from it.