- 05-29-2007, 10:26 PM
I plan to run Hemadrol (Halo clone) for 4 weeks solo in mid July or early August. This is my first cycle. I posted in this forum rather than the cycles forum as there seems to be more feedback here.
My goals are to recomp at 200 lbs from 17% bf to 13%.
Incarnate (joint support)
Cycle Support (precautionary)
Weeks 5-8 post cycle therapy
...others as above
ALRI Restore (AI + anti cort)
Activate (test booster)
Please give me opinions and criticism. Don't be afraid to be harsh as I'm willing to learn.
- 05-29-2007, 10:27 PM
I would hold off on the paravol for libido, I never had issues with it while taking Hemadrol or Halodrol-50. I don't believe libido is an issue at all with that compound.
- 05-29-2007, 10:30 PM
Exactly the kinda suggestions that I'm looking for!!!
I was wondering the same thing. Seems as if the consensus is that libido goes up while on hemadrol. I'll consider saving paravol for pct.
05-29-2007, 10:34 PM
05-29-2007, 10:39 PM
Also save the cycle support for PCT. Some believe the liver protection could hinder results. I for one do not know for a fact if that is true but I always save it for PCT.
Expect good strength gains. Some mass depends on how much u eat. Gains start around the 2-3 week mark.
I would be interested to know how 75-100mg would work with this compound.
U will like this PH.
05-29-2007, 10:42 PM
I'll bet burped up Activate would taste great right in the middle of a heavy set of squats. Thanks for the tip.
Since you mentioned Activate, any reason to choose MassFx or Alpha Drive instead? What about a basic trib?
05-29-2007, 10:45 PM
05-29-2007, 10:46 PM
I was wondering if cycle support was even needed as everyone says how mild this stuff is. I'll consider dropping it and listen for more opinions on this matter.
Any links to blood levels while on Hemadrol?
05-29-2007, 10:47 PM
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05-29-2007, 11:08 PM
Also, the divanyl type products aren't luteneizing hormone secreatogues like tribulus is supposed to be (no actual evidence of this BTW). They work by binding to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) thus increasing the amount of testosterone that is "free" and able to be active in one's body. Tribulus is supposed to stimulate the release of LH. However, I'll give 25,000 rep points to anyone who can actually find a study on pubmed showing this. Tribulus does something but the mechanism of action is not through LH from the research I've reviewed.
I don't know enough about the mechanisms of SHBG but I would assume that interfering with it could also increase the amount of estrogen that is free in the body. However, I use MFX in post cycle therapy personally.
05-29-2007, 11:12 PM
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05-29-2007, 11:15 PM
05-29-2007, 11:17 PM
1) Getting the body to produce more testosterone;
2) Freeing up testosterone that is bound (and thus biologically unusuable) by SHBG.
The nettle root extract products work on SHBG. Most of the other pct products work on restarting the HPTA.
05-29-2007, 11:19 PM
I have ruled out BAM though. I'm currently running it in my ALRI evolution stack. Although I am enjoying it's effects, I believe that it is much too weak of a test boost to rely on during pct.
As far as the trib goes, I'll have to take a rain check on your 25,000 rep points
05-29-2007, 11:21 PM
The mass stack is becoming a very popular and potent PCT stack. I would opt for that with cycle support.
05-29-2007, 11:25 PM
Of course, that was as a standalone. I am aware that that pct is totally different story hormonally, and I may very well react significantly different to the same product.
I am open to more suggestions for a test booster in pct.
05-29-2007, 11:37 PM
In my other post you'll note that I said: "Tribulus does something but the mechanism of action is not through LH from the research I've reviewed."
Trib does do something but no one can actually explain what. All we have are anecdotal subjective experiences but when researchers try to explain those by measuring levels of various hormones in the body, tribulus doesn't appear to effect any of them.
I agree that trib does something. The strongest body of anecdotal reporting is on increased libido. People had assumed this was because it increased testosterone. Well, it doesn't. Nonetheless, it does increase libido. So, something is going on. I think trib is a fine addition to pct for what it does (increase libido) but your Tor will do the job of increasing testosterone by restarting your HPTA. A nettle root product would increase the ratio of free to bound test making your recovery even stronger.
05-29-2007, 11:41 PM
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05-30-2007, 11:27 AM
Any thoughts on the reliability of Restore for AI and anti cort in pct?
According to the ALRI FAQ, the AI is 6-brom (which I believe is what makes Hyperdrol so popular).
The anti-cortisol component is MbAET, supposedly a 7-oxo dhea analog.
05-30-2007, 04:20 PM
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05-30-2007, 05:02 PM
Any comments on pumps. I've seen a few people talk about mild back pumps on hemadrol. And thesinner listed pumps as a side effect for H-50 in his designer profiles post.
I'm thinking of starting with 3g taurine twice per day. And then increasing the dosage if needed.
Should this deter me from using a "pump" product in preworkout such as cit mal?
05-30-2007, 05:10 PM
05-30-2007, 11:33 PM
I found this thread while trying to see if anyone here has tried that dose and for what length they may have done it for.
I started my Hemadrol cycle this past weekend, at 50mg and am thinking of going up to 100mg at the end of week 2. Problem is I can't ramp up to it since mine only come in 50mg pills. Oh, btw this is also my first PH cycle. I've heard a lot of people talk about going to 75mg or 100mg but haven't read about anyone here who's actually done it yet...so I think I'm just going to do it. I'm also going to be starting 100mg of Zol starting of week 2, and ramping it to 200mg at start of week 3....going to run this till week 6 if all goes well.
I don't think there will be any issues that I can't deal with. They are both fairly mild PH's and I'll be on cycle support the whole time.
Anyhow, here's my cycle which is similar, but a lil more advanced. I was going to add Mega-TRN but decided against it on my first cycle.
T3(ramped from 25-75 back to 25mcg)/Alb(16mg ed)/ket x 4 weeks
50mg Hema x 3 weeks, 75-100mg Hema X 3 weeks (4-6 week cycle...will see how it goes)
200mg Zol ed x 4 weeks, starting @ week 3 (4 week cycle)
post cycle therapy:
HDX2/ MFX / adv post cycle therapy / Retain2
Nolvadex starting end of week 5
will also have trione (6oxo) on hand
05-30-2007, 11:46 PM
05-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Seriously though, the logs that I saw runnin 75 mgs were with promagnon and either mega-h or h-drol (can't remember which as all the logs are getting jumbled in my brain). It seemed as if only those who had cycle experience were jacking up the dosage. So I'm gonna stick with 50 the whole way through for my first run.
05-30-2007, 11:55 PM
05-30-2007, 11:58 PM
Yeah that's true. I'm still debating since I WILL be doing a decent dose of Zol(winztrol) at the same time, I'm sure that will be fine without having to ramp up, even though both are fairly weak compounds. If I ramped up, it would be for 2 weeks, with a ramp down at the end. Still debating though. I've only been taking the hemadrol for two days so it hasn't had time to build up yet, but I'll likely be posting progress through this cycle.
05-31-2007, 12:01 AM
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