1st cycle of havoc

lambo

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I am 24 .. 6ft 195 lbs ... 43 in chest 15 1/2 in arms... dunno max bench prolly round 210....

Have been on a clean bulk diet for 4 weeks ...2800 cals a day

i ma taking creatin, lipo 6 fat burner for energy, and a trib stack.

I am thinking about taking havoc or epistane to bulk up.
What kind of cycle should i take?
how long a cycle?
what can i expect in muscle gains?
what do i need to stack with?
and what do i need to take for post cycle therapy?

thanks so much
 
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look in the log section...there are a wealth of logs there. Steal some ideas. I will say it is pointless to run the trib and creatine products while on cycle...save em for PCT.
 

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thinking about this ....
Havoc W 1 20mg
W2 30mg
W3 30mg
W4 40mg


then post cycle therapy with trib creatine and others

is this enough to see big strength and mass gains... 2nd cycle ever and 1st in 4 years so receptors should be good to go
 
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hope u don't like hair...cause this sh*t will make it fall out fast...very androgenic from feedback,and said to be a dht deriv...good luck
 
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hope u don't like hair...cause this sh*t will make it fall out fast...very androgenic from feedback,and said to be a dht deriv...good luck
:wtf: Links to back up your statement please.....kthx:wtf:
 
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thinking about this ....
Havoc W 1 20mg
W2 30mg
W3 30mg
W4 40mg


then post cycle therapy with trib creatine and others

is this enough to see big strength and mass gains... 2nd cycle ever and 1st in 4 years so receptors should be good to go
i hope that doesnt mean that your going to use that only for pct, you need a SERM i would recommend you to read and compare logs to get an idea.
 
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IMO dont waste your first cycle back after 4 years on havoc do Phera or Sdrol. But then again you dont know proper post cycle therapy so i would say read more learn more plan more.
 
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i took 50 mg a day for about 3 weeks, no hair loss and i havent read of any as well. i did make a post about low test results. i would read it. some good advice was given to me after the fact.
 
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hope u don't like hair...cause this sh*t will make it fall out fast...very androgenic from feedback,and said to be a dht deriv...good luck
I've never seen anyone report major hair loss issues using havoc.
 

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PCT would look like ..

Lean xtreme

anabolic xtreme perfect cycle

inhibit-e

trib zma stack

creatine

cycle support
 
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