methyl 1 testosterone...how bout it?
- 05-09-2007, 11:38 PM
- 05-09-2007, 11:56 PM
basically M1T is poison. It's main side effect is rapid muscle growth in some people.
There are safer products available like epistane/havoc.
- 05-10-2007, 12:26 AM
M1T will cause HPTA shutdown within days of first dosage. It will cause trauma to your liver and seriously damage your lipid profile. It is however very effective at building muscle. However, there are other much safer and nearly as effective products. Oh yeah, M1T is also illegal.
05-10-2007, 01:30 AM
M1T Rules! I've used it on several occasions, and I loved it! The only side I've ever had from it is lethargy. It goes to show that different people respond to things differently. M1T always gets the "bad wrap" by being called poison, sh1t, death (haha), you name it. I wonder how many of the people saying this have actually tried M1T versus those who are just spreading what they've read others say..?..?..?
05-10-2007, 03:54 AM
05-10-2007, 03:56 AM
I have tried M1T and, yes, I had great gains, but I also felt like ass for the entire cycle and PCT. There are many other options that are safer and less damaging to the HTPA than M1T. I suggest that everyone stay away from orals because they are the main culprits for liver/kidney problems.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-10-2007, 09:16 AM
I did M1T in January of 04, maybe feb, but it was GRRRREAT as for as muscle growth, insane pumps and great strength increases....
On the negative side: I had the worst head aches and back pumps I have ever experienced; also, when I took it with fish oil caps, i would have severe burning in the chest and heart area...it got so that i would eventually heave(12 days into cycle)....oh yeah, and my nutz had a consistent aching like someone kicked me there for hrs on the day...
^^^besides all that, hey it was fantastics...LOL wtfff?????
05-10-2007, 10:47 AM
I have done several cycles of M1T, and yes, blood work showed poor liver values, high bad cholesterol, low good cholesterol, plus a few other bad values. After PCT and several weeks off, all came back to pre-cycle values. I haven't heard of a steroid that gave good blood work results while either on or right after a cycle. Not trying to be smart. Yes, I know there are other options out there that have a less traumatic effect while on. And yes, the long term effects may yet to be seen, but that goes for all of the options. Just my 2 cents, FWIW, with a grain of salt, your mileage may vary, and definitely not to be taken while operating heavy machinery.
05-10-2007, 10:48 AM
Some people need to understand that because you don't see any negative effects in the mirror doesn't mean that your internal functions aren't ****ed up.
05-10-2007, 10:54 AM
05-10-2007, 01:49 PM
From my observation, the people who say "M1T was great" are people who didn't bother to get tests done to see what it did to their body.
Of those who did, even the ones that love M1T tend to offer more tentative advice such as "the gains were great but the sides were harsh" or "this isn't a compound for everyone" or "I might use it again but I'd be very careful with support sups."
When I see someone saying "M1T was great" without additional qualifiers, I tend to dismiss them as uninformed fools. JMO.
05-10-2007, 03:07 PM
Exactly. I've done M1T about 5 different times and I wish I could go back in time and NOT have done that, lol. You can actually feel your lifespan contracting on this stuff. lol
My experience with it is that even though it puts "muscle" on you faster than anything else, it's also harder to keep those gains than other options because it leaves you in the dumps during the PCT with zero circulating test, a lipid profile of an elderly obese hypocholesteremic and a liver that's ready to crawl out your azz because you chose a sledge hammer when a ball-peen would have worked.
Using milder compounds like PP, Halo or Epi, you can actually enjoy the cycle, put on the same amount of gains and have a MUCH easier PCT with more kept gains. These compounds also have to be used in moderation as they can mess with you, but the lipd/liver data on them indicates they are putting waaaay less stress on the system.
So to me, it's totally foolish to use M1T for those 10 pounds in 3 weeks when you can get the same out of the others. 10 f'in pounds is 10 f'in pounds.
05-10-2007, 03:12 PM
I would agree about adding qualifiers. Mine would be (and again, they apply to all the choices out there):
1) Test, test, and test again.
I am a regular at our local clinic (blood testing, for those reading into that)
2) Supplement like your life depends on it.
I spend far more on support and PCT than on the cycle itself.
I have had good luck with M1T, and would use it again. I have had one less than stellar experience combining it and Trimax, and that log is around here somewhere. The results were good, but the path getting there was long and torturous. My reason in posting is related to your comments about posts with simple statements advocating its use, with no supporting comments. Mine is the same, except I am commenting about the simple statements damning its use, with no supporting data. In my opinion, both types of posts, the wild support and the hysterical "It'll kill you" type, give little help to those who need it.
05-10-2007, 03:19 PM
PS - I'm amazed that no one has yet gone crazy with the "Do a search" comments. Back to the original question, there are lots of logs out there where you can read about other's experience and reactions when using M1T. That would be a good source before making your decision to use or not. But it's still illegal, regardless of one's opinion on it's merits.
05-10-2007, 09:16 PM
i was thinking of doing the following cycle
an AI i dont know which one yet
perfect cycle by anabolic extreme
cycle support...will run 2 weeks before start of cycle
and also considering DIM
everything the same except 10 mg m1t
timorefene citrate 120mg/3 days 90mg/4days 60mg/1 week
and 30mg/last week
also alri evolution stack
what do you guys think
i think i have verything covered there?
05-10-2007, 11:46 PM
I actually have a lot of issues since my nice journey into the lands of M1T. I also have logs with bloodowrk located here...There was on 6 week recovery either. When I finally went in for a exam and bloodwork I was at my biggest and strongest point ever. My strength and size was no indicator of being sick, i'll tell ya that.
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05-12-2007, 03:10 AM
i literally just posted this in another thread.
"im just going to go ahead and say it.
i thought havoc was MUCH worse on my system than m1t ever was, and i used it 4 times. in month long cycles....at 30-40mgs a day.
by the end of my month on havoc i needed literally 12 hours of sleep a day, i had some serious digestion issues (ill leave it at that), and my mood swings were way out of control. i believe i stopped my log at the 2nd week because i simply didnt have the energy to type. stuff was pretty bad on the libido as well.
id take m1t over havoc ANY day."
i just felt like complete ass on havoc. my entire system felt dirty, and i stopped taking the stuff a week ago and im still having connective tissue problems. **** havoc.
the strength gains and hardness werent as good as with m1t at all.
the lethargy from havoc literally blew me out of the water. i did gain 20lbs on the stuff though, have to nod my head to that. felt like complete **** during my workouts by the end of week 2.
then again, i seem to be the only one who has gotten this kind of reaction. take it for what its worth.
10mgs of m1t a day for a month will probably pack on 15lbs and minimize side effects. 10mgs of havoc....well.....
05-12-2007, 03:39 AM
I'm almost done a 3 week M1T cycle (Promatrix M1T Plex) and I'm loving it. Strength gains have been absolutely awesome, I've been adding 5-10lbs to every lift every single workout. I am up about 15lbs, although a fair amount of it is water, which I cannot wait to lose. My dosage was/is 10mg/20mg/20mg.
Worst side effect is the damn lower back pumps, beyond that, nothing really to report.
Would I do it again? Yes.
05-12-2007, 03:42 AM
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05-12-2007, 03:47 AM
m1t is probably the worst choice to even try it with. even one dose would probably half you natty test output, if not more. take a look at supersoldiers blood work and dr. d's comments on m1t.
m1t is probably one of the most suppressive steroids out there, if not the most supressive steroid that can legitamately be used in any type of cycle. any dosing whatsoever and you are ***** slapping your HPTA in the face.
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