superdrol or havoc or something better?

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    superdrol or havoc or something better?


    deciding whehter to do havoc or superdrol... anyone wanna chime in and give their opinion. i want the mass/weight gains with superdrol but want the lighter sides.. especially for the liver.. so anyone have any good ideas? maybe a havoc cycle but not sure bout the gains on it, let me know what has worked for u guys. thanks.

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    might wanna wait and see how 3ad from ax's is. It's not a methyl.
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    3AD is coming out by the end of the summer. You may want to wait for it. Superdrol almost killed me. I don't know about Havoc, but if I were you I would wait for 3AD. Who knows maybe it will "work".
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Superdrol almost killed me.
    If you wouldn't mind, could you share the specifics of that experience.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    3AD is coming out by the end of the summer. You may want to wait for it. Superdrol almost killed me. I don't know about Havoc, but if I were you I would wait for 3AD. Who knows maybe it will "work".
    Thats my plan, i got all the rest but 3ad sounds promising
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    Two points for your question and for the responders thus far:

    SD was not very liver toxic based on some users bloodwork. It was pretty bad on lipids.

    Havoc does not appear to be bad on the liver based on initial user/tester bloodwork and I have not seen lipids.

    3AD has no user bloodwork to support either as of yet so making these claims is premature.
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    are you bulking or cutting? both seem like they would work for either. i would probably go with the havoc in terms of sides. it seems like s d is going to yield better gains in mass and strength but at the cost of more sides and liver toxicity. havoc is readily available and almost every log i've read has shown good gains (about 80-90% to that of superdrol's gains) with little to no sides. i personally just started to run an s d cycle over havoc because i'm trying to cut right now and sd's nutrient repartitioning effects are amazing. i'm saving my havoc for a bulk next fall or winter. hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_C2 View Post
    If you wouldn't mind, could you share the specifics of that experience.

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    not again
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogo View Post
    not again

    Yep. I would rather not, besides I can't hold myself responsible for things I try to remember about something that happened so long ago. I can't remember what threads I posted about it in before, but I have posted about it a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogo View Post
    not again

    I know...I am a morbid SOB what can I say.
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    why don't you take something that is proven and works like superdrol or pheraplex? Don't wait on 3ad and follow the crowd, sit back and let others take it first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantr View Post
    why don't you take something that is proven and works like superdrol or pheraplex? Don't wait on 3ad and follow the crowd, sit back and let others take it first.
    Some good words of advice there. Be sensible, think, buy your support supps and work your plan, but plan to live long
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    wow thanks everyone for ur input... well i want to gain about 10 lbs of lean mass on my cycle.. still cant decide between superdrol and havoc... now im looking into epistane.... anyone got any advice on that lol... now its between 3! lol. and i dont want to wait till 3ad comes out i need to do something in the next week or two. thanks for ur input .
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    epi and havoc are the same thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    3AD is coming out by the end of the summer. You may want to wait for it. Superdrol almost killed me. I don't know about Havoc, but if I were you I would wait for 3AD. Who knows maybe it will "work".
    3AD is supposed to come out June 1st!!! Ergopharm supposedly is coming out with the same product even sooner!! Might wanna think about that!
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