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    What's up guys-

    Been on Epistane for 4 weeks now, taking 40 mgs per day throughout the cycle, and was interested in how it was treating my liver. I'm a medical student so I have easy access to bloodwork. I must say, when I saw the results, I was quite happy with the product, especially since I've gained about 14 lbs with a significant increase in strength. Only a slight increase in one of my transaminases.
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    Results:

    My values: Normal:

    Glucose: 97 70-100
    BUN: 15.0 5-25
    Creatinine: 1.0 0.0-1.5
    Sodium: 140 135-145
    Potassium: 4.5 3.5-5.5
    Chloride: 103 95-110
    CO2: 25 22-33
    Calcium: 9.1 8.5-10.5
    Total protein: 7.6 6.0-8.3
    Albumin: 4.8 3.5-5.5
    AST: 30 0-40
    ALT: 49 2-40
    Alk Phos: 36 20-130
    Total bilirubin: 0.5 0.0-1.5

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    isnt uric acid included in the metabolic panel?
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    Good question man. I have never seen it included in CMPs at my institution. We order uric acids by themselves when we suspect gout clinically or are concerned about medications side effects, ie, thiazides. I called this a complete metabolic panel but its really "comprehensive".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripp View Post
    Good question man. I have never seen it included in CMPs at my institution. We order uric acids by themselves when we suspect gout clinically or are concerned about medications side effects, ie, thiazides. I called this a complete metabolic panel but its really "comprehensive".
    fair enough. the results came back awesome though. thanks for posting this! nice to have an anabolic that is much more friendly to the body. i got havoc lying around just begging me to give up natural competition
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    I was similarly surprised at my bloodwork on it. Very pleasant surprise! Thanks for the data ripp.
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    No problem. Thanks for such a great product! Good luck on your upcoming cycle, wannabehulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripp View Post
    What's up guys-

    Been on Epistane for 4 weeks now, taking 40 mgs per day throughout the cycle, and was interested in how it was treating my liver. I'm a medical student so I have easy access to bloodwork. I must say, when I saw the results, I was quite happy with the product, especially since I've gained about 14 lbs with a significant increase in strength. Only a slight increase in one of my transaminases.
    Here's to IBE Enjoy!

    Results:

    My values: Normal:

    Glucose: 97 70-100
    BUN: 15.0 5-25
    Creatinine: 1.0 0.0-1.5
    Sodium: 140 135-145
    Potassium: 4.5 3.5-5.5
    Chloride: 103 95-110
    CO2: 25 22-33
    Calcium: 9.1 8.5-10.5
    Total protein: 7.6 6.0-8.3
    Albumin: 4.8 3.5-5.5
    AST: 30 0-40
    ALT: 49 2-40
    Alk Phos: 36 20-130
    Total bilirubin: 0.5 0.0-1.5
    Since you've got easy access, any chance you could get a blood lipid profile done? I'd like to see the effects that this stuff has on HDL/LDL and triglycerides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaBeHulk View Post
    isnt uric acid included in the metabolic panel?
    i thought humans , excreted urea and not uric acid, isnot uric acid too toxic..... im confused... or does uric acid convert to urea?
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    Humans excrete uric acid AND urea. Urea is a biproduct of the urea cycle in which excess ammonia (from amino acids) is converted to urea and then excreted by urine (hence the name). Uric acid is a biproduct of purine metabolism and is excreted by the kidneys also in the urine.
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    quigs, ill see what I can do about the lipid panel. This is definitely something I wanted to do but is a little harder to get done for me, plus I have to eat the cost of the bloodwork since I had one not too long ago on a different cycle (test).
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Since you've got easy access, any chance you could get a blood lipid profile done? I'd like to see the effects that this stuff has on HDL/LDL and triglycerides.
    There's bloodwork done by yours truly on here somewhere with lipids, etc...

    I'll see if I can dig it up.
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    2006 Epi Bloodwork (20-45mg linear ramp):
    SuperSoldier & Dr.D

    _____________SS_______________ ____Dr.D
    Date: ...1/07.....1/16.....1/26.................1/01.....2/09

    AST .......26........32.........41 .................... .24........52
    ALT .......31........39.........51 .................... .20........45
    GGT ......09........05.........07. .................... 15........21

    ALB.......4.0........3.8...... ..3.9............... .....4.5.......4.8
    TBIL......1.8........1.1...... ..1.3............... .....0.6.......0.5
    DBIL......0.3........0.3...... ..0.2............... .....NA........NA

    CHOL.....145.......149.......1 71.................. 199......208
    LDH.......156.......198....... 208................. ..129......147
    HDL.........32.........19..... ......9............. .......30........26

    SS only:
    26?th E2: 47, Prolactin 16.6
    (no baseline on these)
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    2006 Epi Bloodwork (20-45mg linear ramp):
    SuperSoldier & Dr.D

    _____________SS_______________ ____Dr.D
    Date: ...1/07.....1/16.....1/26.................1/01.....2/09

    AST .......26........32.........41 .................... .24........52
    ALT .......31........39.........51 .................... .20........45
    GGT ......09........05.........07. .................... 15........21

    ALB.......4.0........3.8...... ..3.9............... .....4.5.......4.8
    TBIL......1.8........1.1...... ..1.3............... .....0.6.......0.5
    DBIL......0.3........0.3...... ..0.2............... .....NA........NA

    CHOL.....145.......149.......1 71.................. 199......208
    LDH.......156.......198....... 208................. ..129......147
    HDL.........32.........19..... ......9............. .......30........26

    SS only:
    26?th E2: 47, Prolactin 16.6
    (no baseline on these)
    Thanks for posting those...I've seen the Dr. D one before but never yours. I'd still like to see some more blood work done on this stuff however (preferrably with before/after numbers).

    Do you think that there's any possiblity of IBE sponsoring some forum members by paying for them to have bloodwork done? Honestly, I think it would go a long way towards proving the relative safety of the compound...especially if it is bloodwork of non-reps/employees of IBE. I realize that something like this would be difficult to coordinate, but I think that it would be money well spent for IBE...that is if the results were good.

    Anyways, just an idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Thanks for posting those...I've seen the Dr. D one before but never yours. I'd still like to see some more blood work done on this stuff however (preferrably with before/after numbers).

    Do you think that there's any possiblity of IBE sponsoring some forum members by paying for them to have bloodwork done? Honestly, I think it would go a long way towards proving the relative safety of the compound...especially if it is bloodwork of non-reps/employees of IBE. I realize that something like this would be difficult to coordinate, but I think that it would be money well spent for IBE...that is if the results were good.

    Anyways, just an idea...
    I did that bloodwork a LONG time before Epi even hit the market, and I've only been affiliated with IBE for a month or so. The first set of values are baselines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    I did that bloodwork a LONG time before Epi even hit the market, and I've only been affiliated with IBE for a month or so. The first set of values are baselines.
    I realize, and I'm not trying to question the integrity of your post/results...I'm just trying to say that bloodwork from a couple people isnt really enough to say that this stuff will have such mild effects in the majority of the people. I keep seeing it posted that epistane/havoc are so "mild" but in reality the evidence for this is pretty much non-existant. I remember hearing the same things when superdrol first came out.

    Now I'm not trying to say that this will have the impact on blood lipids that superdrol did, but it would certainly be nice to be able to point at a good number of subjects (like at least 10) and see a nice trend in lab values.
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    I definitely agree that repeated, unremarkable bloodwork in as many individuals as possible would strengthen the argument about the safety profile of this compound. I was just trying to do my part, and at my own expense. It should be noted that I was taking Cycle Support along with my epistane for the entire duration of its usage.
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    Seems as if it did some work on your Lipid...

    I looked at my old panel from PP (21 days @ 5, 10, 15, and 20mgs) and it was exactly

    Chole......185
    HDL .......26.6 (rated 35.0 - 85.0, base = 42.0) LDL.....150.0(rated 0.0 - 160.0, base = 128)
    ALT .... 23 (rated on 10 - 40), AST .... 24 (rated on 10 - 42)
    Total Bili .6 (rated on .2 - 1.0)
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    Repeated bloodwork on several subjects would be ideal for any methyl steroid, or even any non-hormone test stimulator type product ie. BAM, JW, Mass Fx, etc. We just don't see it too often...

    The best bet for data like this is to find people with access to a lab (like I used to have) to guinea pig themselves (like I did for a while). That's not to self promote, just to point out that it's much easier to send a person free product to run some tests on themself than to sponsor/fund labwork done by a third party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    Repeated bloodwork on several subjects would be ideal for any methyl steroid, or even any non-hormone test stimulator type product ie. BAM, JW, Mass Fx, etc. We just don't see it too often...

    The best bet for data like this is to find people with access to a lab (like I used to have) to guinea pig themselves (like I did for a while). That's not to self promote, just to point out that it's much easier to send a person free product to run some tests on themself than to sponsor/fund labwork done by a third party.
    That would work as well. Any way to promote getting bloodwork done and posted is cool with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripp View Post
    I definitely agree that repeated, unremarkable bloodwork in as many individuals as possible would strengthen the argument about the safety profile of this compound. I was just trying to do my part, and at my own expense. It should be noted that I was taking Cycle Support along with my epistane for the entire duration of its usage.
    As was I (using conventional doses of liver supps like NAC and MT) plus taking my custom oil blend daily. Your data is greatly appreciated ripp!

    It was tragic losing SS out of the lab, that man tested himself on more supps than anyone else I know! Everyone here owes him for some great bloodwork. He tested 6-Br for me too right after the Epi. I am afraid some of that data is lost forever, unless it could somehow be resurrected from old postings here. M1T, M14, MDHT, toremifene citrate, you name it.
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    I'm on Epi right now @ 30mg/d. I'll be in the neighborhood of my old work next week!
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    I'm on epi now also.


    I went from a 10 week test-e cycle and bridged to a 4 week epi cycle.


    I'll get bloodwork done. I got before bloodwork done, but they didn't lay out the details. Obviously I'll get the details the second time. Total cholestrol was 79 though before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    ... Total cholestrol was 79 though before.
    Are you sure! Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Are you sure! Wow.
    Yeah, but I don't know the hdl/ldl breakdown.


    This was before my first cycle of course... which I'm on now.

    Currently have 1 week left of epi. I have been doing an Epi cutter, with lower carbs, and taking leviathan.

    So far I have done 3 weeks of epi @ 30 mg. I've honestly had zero sides except for a little hair shedding, but it's not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Yeah, but I don't know the hdl/ldl breakdown.


    This was before my first cycle of course... which I'm on now.

    Currently have 1 week left of epi. I have been doing an Epi cutter, with lower carbs, and taking leviathan.

    So far I have done 3 weeks of epi @ 30 mg. I've honestly had zero sides except for a little hair shedding, but it's not bad.
    That's great! (except for the shedding I mean) So how has the cut been? BTW, total cholesterol was increased very little on my bloodwork, and ratios stayed amazingly good, but I was closer to 200, not 79. 79 is impressive.
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    Cholesterol @ 79 is actually kinda odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    Cholesterol @ 79 is actually kinda odd.
    Yeah, but good if your a juicer though. Man, this guy could eat whatever he wanted too!
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    79 doesn't sound healty. Is there enough cholesterol there for him to make his own hormones??
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    ... Is there enough cholesterol there for him to make his own hormones??
    Not to a high level probably, that's what I mean when I say he can eat all the fatty stuff he wants. With an endogenous supply that low, you would need to eat extra fat. 99% of the rest of America has to do the opposite!

    Maybe the test was skewed somehow?
  

  
 

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