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    Epi/Havoc cycle possibility/questions...


    I'm considering doing a 4 week Epi/Havoc cycle...and I have a few quick questions...


    1) which one is better and is this "better" noticeable at all?


    2) what would be ideal to stack this with for enhanced lean/dry gains? (consider: phera, test prop, mass fx, dbol-low dose, etc...)

    3) would a PCT of: Nolva, HyperTest (tribulous), Rebound Reloaded (inverse taper), Lean Xtreme...be good/bad, overkill...?? would Clomid be needed?


    thanks for any constructive input...

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    1. dont know
    2. im thinking test prop
    3. that would be fine. You can use Toremifene in place of Nolva @ 120/90/60/30 or just stick with the classic nolva PCT. I liked retain more than Lxt. instead of the tribulis maybe try Nutraplanets Horny Mack Jack Stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    1. dont know
    2. im thinking test prop
    3. that would be fine. You can use Toremifene in place of Nolva @ 120/90/60/30 or just stick with the classic nolva post cycle therapy. I liked retain more than Lxt. instead of the tribulis maybe try Nutraplanets Horny Mack Jack Stack.

    I'm not familiar with "Toremifene" what is this?

    also have you personally tried havoc/epistane? how were your results?
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    ive never tried epi or havoc but there is tons of info on this board just look.

    as far as toremifene, it is a SERM just like clomid and nolva, only it is second generation (newer) It has shown to help recovery of natty test faster than nolva.

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