Epi/Havoc cycle possibility/questions...

[FitModel]

I'm considering doing a 4 week Epi/Havoc cycle...and I have a few quick questions...


1) which one is better and is this "better" noticeable at all?


2) what would be ideal to stack this with for enhanced lean/dry gains? (consider: phera, test prop, mass fx, dbol-low dose, etc...)

3) would a PCT of: Nolva, HyperTest (tribulous), Rebound Reloaded (inverse taper), Lean Xtreme...be good/bad, overkill...?? would Clomid be needed?


thanks for any constructive input...

[pistonpump]

1. dont know
2. im thinking test prop
3. that would be fine. You can use Toremifene in place of Nolva @ 120/90/60/30 or just stick with the classic nolva PCT. I liked retain more than Lxt. instead of the tribulis maybe try Nutraplanets Horny Mack Jack Stack.

[FitModel]

1. dont know
2. im thinking test prop
3. that would be fine. You can use Toremifene in place of Nolva @ 120/90/60/30 or just stick with the classic nolva post cycle therapy. I liked retain more than Lxt. instead of the tribulis maybe try Nutraplanets Horny Mack Jack Stack.

I'm not familiar with "Toremifene" what is this?

also have you personally tried havoc/epistane? how were your results?

[pistonpump]

ive never tried epi or havoc but there is tons of info on this board just look.

as far as toremifene, it is a SERM just like clomid and nolva, only it is second generation (newer) It has shown to help recovery of natty test faster than nolva.