Shin splints on SD
- 04-20-2007, 04:46 PM
Shin splints on SD
I ran a 3 week cycle of Superdrol last year and got shin splints when I was playing basketball. I've never had shin splints in my life, I'm 37 and I've played bball all my life. It took me 8 months till I stopped getting them. I just started another SD cycle this week and when I tried to play bball last night to warm up I got them again. Is there anything I can take that will help? Why is SD causing this?
- 04-20-2007, 07:35 PM
a better question to ask though - why are you using superdrol to play basketball??? shouldnt you be lifting some heavy ass weights?
- 04-20-2007, 09:33 PM
take taurine at 5 - 10 gram's a day and it should subside.
04-20-2007, 09:47 PM
Taurine - Wikipedia
The major pathway for mammalian taurine synthesis occurs in the liver via the cysteine sulfinic acid pathway. In this pathway, the sulfhydryl group of cysteine is first oxidized to cysteine sulfinic acid by the enzyme cysteine dioxygenase. Cysteine sulfinic acid, in turn, is decarboxylated by Sulfinoalanine decarboxylase (EC 18.104.22.168) to form hypotaurine. It is unclear whether hypotaurine is then spontaneously or enzymatically oxidized to yield taurine.
Taurine in the pharmaceutical and lab setting is synthesized through a combination of cysteine, methionine and vitamin E.
Urban legends surrounding the source of taurine have included bull urine extract and bull semen. While it's true that taurine is found in both sources, it is not the source of taurine in the pharmaceutical or food industry. Taurine is extracted from the intestines of cattle.
Taurine is conjugated via its amino terminal group with the bile acids chenodeoxycholic acid and cholic acid to form the bile salts sodium taurochenodeoxycholate and sodium taurocholate (see bile). The low pKa (1.5) of taurine's sulfonic acid group ensures that this moiety is negatively charged in the pH ranges normally found in the intestinal tract and thus improves the surfactant properties of the cholic acid conjugate.
Taurine has also been implicated in a wide array of other physiological phenomena including inhibitory neurotransmission, long-term potentiation in the striatum/hippocampus, membrane stabilization, feedback inhibition of neutrophil/macrophage respiratory bursts, adipose tissue regulation, and calcium homeostasis. The evidence for these claims, when compared against that reported for taurine's role in bile acid synthesis and osmoregulation, is relatively poor.
Prematurely born infants who lack the enzymes needed to convert cystathionine to cysteine may become deficient in taurine. Thus, taurine is a dietary essential nutrient in these individuals and is often added to many infant formulas as a measure of prudence. There is also evidence that taurine in adult humans reduces blood pressure.
Anxiety disease/panic disorder also show signs of amelioration. If taurine is going to work, it works almost immediately. Recent studies show that taurine supplements taken by mice on a high-fat diet reduced their overall weight. Studies have yet to be done on the effect of taurine on obesity in humans.. Recent studies have also shown that taurine can influence (and possibly reverse) nerve blood flow, motor nerve conduction velocity, and nerve sensory threshold defects in experimental diabetic neuropathic rats. Taurine levels were found to be significantly lower in vegans than in a control group on a standard American diet. Plasma taurine was 78% of control values, and urinary taurine 29%. In recent years, taurine has become a common ingredient in energy drinks. Taurine is also often used in combination with bodybuilding supplements such as creatine and anabolic steroids. Taurine is also used in some contact lens solutions. Taurine has also been shown in diabetic rats to decrease weight and decrease blood sugar.
Taurine and cats
Taurine is essential for cat health, as a cat cannot synthesize the compound. The absence of taurine causes a cat's retina to slowly degenerate, causing eye problems and (eventually) irreversible blindness. This condition is called central retinal degeneration (CRD). In addition, taurine deficiency can cause feline dilated cardiomyopathy, and supplementation can reverse left ventricular systolic dysfunction. (Pion et al 1988) Taurine is now a requirement of the AAFCO and any dry or wet food product labeled approved by the AAFCO should have a minimum of .1% Taurine. For further AAFCO requirements for cats, consult the table here.
Usage above 28.57 PPM in non-alcoholic beverages is deemed non-GRAS as determined by Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association (FEMA) Expert Panel. A typical energy drink that contains 1000 mg of taurine corresponds to a concentration of about 4.083 ppm.
Products containing taurine
Taurine is an ingredient in many energy drinks and energy products; in fact, it is from this ingredient that Red Bull gets its name. It is present in the alcoholic drinks Sparks and Spykes. It is also found as an additive in no-rub contact lens fluids. It is in Foosh Energy Mints and Buzz Bites Chocolate Energy Chews. SoBe Power Fruit Punch contains 50 MG of Taurine, while SoBe Adrenaline Rush contains 960mg. Also, the energy drink distributed by the Coca-Cola Corp., Rockstar, depending on the flavor, can contain up to 2000mg of Taurine. It is also contained in the energy drink Monster. A Korean vitamin supplement drink called "MegaVita 1666" contains 2380mg of Taurine in an 8.05 OZ. It is also found in Power C Vitamin Water.
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04-21-2007, 02:12 AM
I've been through this a million times....
The shin splints are caused from the Superdrols swelling effects... Shin splints are caused by a pulling away of small nipple tissues connected to the front part of your what is it tibia? or is it femur... it's the bottom part of your leg... anyways, the tissue pulls away from the bone and that is what causes the pain. The tissue in this case is pulling away from the bone not because of you being fat but because of sd's swelling effects. taurine does not always successfully stop this.
04-21-2007, 02:35 AM
yes and I sometimes breath like a 400lb fattie (which I am not). Glad they both go away.
04-21-2007, 12:02 PM
LOL, I'm not using it to play bball. I play bball one day a week because I like to play and I use it as my cardio instead of the treadmill.
Gotripped, is there anything I can take to help? If there's nothing then I guess I will stop the bball for a few weeks but if there's something I can take to help it would be nice.
04-21-2007, 12:37 PM
04-23-2007, 01:03 AM
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with shin splints, your tibia and fibula actually have tiny fractures and that's what is causing your pain. The only real way to remedy is to take it easy since it is due to increase stress on your bones. You could try a Calcium and Phosphorus supp. and make sure you are getting enough Vit. D. And throw in some Glucosamine/Chondrotin and MSM while youre at it, real cheap.
04-23-2007, 01:27 AM
04-23-2007, 01:45 AM
04-23-2007, 11:30 AM
Hey Wood..what dosing of SD are you using?...I'm looking at my first cycle at 10/20/20 in a couple of months and have found that most users report increased sides as the dosage is increased.
04-23-2007, 02:08 PM
Ninjo, I'm doing 10,20,20. That's the same dose as the one I did last year. I had no noticeable sides except for the shin splints and those where only when I played bball not when I ran on the treadmill. Oh and I had quite the short fuse with people. The hardest part of this for me is eating enough. I'm not a big eater and honestly I get sick of eating so much.
04-24-2007, 09:14 AM
Well, maybe somebody can figure this out. I went to workout yesterday evening and I was draggin ass so I drank some NO Explode, which I have avoided while on the SD, I started out warming up for 15 minutes on the treadmill, worked out for an hour and then went on the treadmill for 30 more minutes. I was getting ready to leave and the guys on the Bball court where 1 short of being able to play so I caved and said I would run one with them. I thought for sure within the first minute my shins would be killing me. Well, 6 games later and I felt great. It was the first time in 5 weeks(last time and this time) of SD that I haven't had shin splints. Could the NO Explode have something to do with it??????
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