methyl 1,4 ad ????

[pistonpump]

Here is a section on the writeup:

17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol) is a direct precursor to Boldenone, otherwise known as Epuipoise, Ganabol, Equigan, and Ultragan. The said product has a very high oral bioavailability due to its methylated form and requires lower milligram dosage compared to 1, 4 AD. It should be noted that by methylating this compound its potency is magnified by up to ten fold! You can expect steady lean muscle gains with a higher androgenic effect compared to other pro-hormones.

Now im wondering if this would actually work and anything else about it. Would it be legit? I know that methylation changes compounds effects drastically in some cases but if you had to take less and get a boldenone effect would this be worth it. The say they are 25mg capsules.....anyone? thoughts?

 

[thesinner]

that's definitely gonna convert into dbol. You are correct, methylation changes big changes in the compound and it's functionality.

 

[supersoldier]

Right. It won't convert or act like EQ at all, it'll be like Dbol. There's lots of info here at AM about it from back in the day. Lean One used to RAVE:rant: about it all the time. A lot of people used to run it at really high doses (approaching 200mgs IIRC), stating that it was mild on the liver (which I never saw bloodwork to back up :think. I don't buy into that really at all though.

Only time I ever used it I ran about 60-80mgs w/ M1T (very stupid, I know) and my enzymes were through the roof, higher than they've ever been.

It does work. During the time that I added it, my pumps were so ridiculous that I could hardly do more than 3-4 sets without not being able to move (or 1 set of squats, back pumps). I've never been stronger, also felt great. Mind you this was combo M1t/M1,4ADD, but these effects were within days of adding it.

I think it's a good compound overall. Wet, great for strength, bulking.

 

[pistonpump]

awww man thanks for the replies but i feel like a dumba55 now because i thought i found something new but now that i put the "M" in front like M1,4add ive seen it before, yes, the dbol precursor....silly me.

 

[jerz912]

Here is a section on the writeup:

17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol) is a direct precursor to Boldenone, otherwise known as Epuipoise, Ganabol, Equigan, and Ultragan. The said product has a very high oral bioavailability due to its methylated form and requires lower milligram dosage compared to 1, 4 AD. It should be noted that by methylating this compound its potency is magnified by up to ten fold! You can expect steady lean muscle gains with a higher androgenic effect compared to other pro-hormones.

Now im wondering if this would actually work and anything else about it. Would it be legit? I know that methylation changes compounds effects drastically in some cases but if you had to take less and get a boldenone effect would this be worth it. The say they are 25mg capsules.....anyone? thoughts?

I think you were talking about I Force's Bold 1,4add which is a precurser to boldenone, M1,4add is like you guys said a precurser to dbol!

 

[Dr_C2]

Opinions vary and I'll give you mine...

M1,4-ADD is very different in the blood than M1,4-AD. The diol configuration of M1,4-ADD increase the bioavailability from approx 5% around 10%-15% (depending on the source considered).

Everyone is asking if it is Dbol or Equipoise precursor.

Dbol (methylboldonene) and Equipoise both convert to the same parent compound - boldenone.

Matter of fact, Equipoise was synthesized from Dbol as an alternative to the 17a issue.

Sure the 17a methyl group affects the compound in its function but both M1,4-AD and M1,4-ADD have the same 17a methyl group. The difference and the thing that affects bioavailability is the diol vs dione configuration. M1,4-AD is a dione and M1,4-ADD is a diol. Diols convert through a different enzymatic process and as a result at a higher rate.

Thats why you see so many folks taking 300 – 600 mg daily of M1,4-AD. Take 100 mgs of M1,4-ADD and you get a better result.

FWIW - M1,4-ADD acts much more like Equipoise in the blood. You don't have the water retention, bloating, of Dbol and it is sure fire and appitite stimulate, just like Equipoise.

I've used both and there is a big difference. That's why I say M1,4-ADD is more akin to Equipoise.

Don’t take my word for it try them both and you be the judge!

 

[thesinner]

^^^Nice post. I sometimes think people don't realize how closely related dbol and eq really are. I know I was surprised the first time I compared structures.

 

[friction515]

So since it doesnt cause as much bloat is aromatization as much of an issue. I'm crazy gyno prone and won't even touch anything that may get my nipps puffing up again. Would a person be safe to assume they should stay away from this in that case?

 

[Dr_C2]

Ok this is not an easy answer so let me give you the facts first...

The diol configuration of M1,4-ADD CANNOT convert to estrogen directly. Now, what I wrote is that the base compound M1,4-ADD CANNOT aromatize.

Here comes the HOWEVER.....

The target hormone, methylboldenone aromatizes. However, you would need a significant daily does.

If you used more than 120 mgs (120 mgs of M1,4-ADD would convert to approx 14 mgs of methylboldone in the body according to most published studies I have read) of M1,4-ADD a day, you would run some risk of conversion of the target hormone methylboldenone to estrogen and therefore it ***might*** present a slight risk. So, this is a good news/bad news for you.

Just my two cents, if you use M1,4-ADD, use it in low doeses (70 mgs or less daily) as a stacking PH to something else. Of course, you may want to avoid it all together.

 

[friction515]

Thank you

 

[pistonpump]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr_C2 again.


Thanks for clearing that up so the compound i OP'd is M1,4ADD and the other compound i think made by CEL is if i remember correctly M1,4AD. I was thinking that it was closer to EQ than dbol and you solidified that thought.

Dr.C2, you said it more likely resembles and effects like EQ but that doesnt make sense when you say the target hormone is methylboldenone which to me would mean Dbol. Can you explain?

For friction, I am also CRAZY gyno prone and i dont even know why i am still planning cycles with testosterone in them as it gave me problems last time. I also get gyno from progestins as well so it pretty much.....SUCKS!

 

[Dr_C2]

Dr.C2, you said it more likely resembles and effects like EQ but that doesnt make sense when you say the target hormone is methylboldenone which to me would mean Dbol. Can you explain?
QUOTE]

Sure. It actually has more to do with the diol vs dione configuration. Indulge me for a second with chemistry lesson.

DBol aka: Methandrostenolone
is chemically expressed as 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Equipoise aka:Boldenone Undeclynate
is chemically expressed as 1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-diol

You can see that Dbol and EQ share some similarities.
Both are 1,4-androstadien-3-one. However, Equipoise also is configured as a "diol" (the 17b-diol part just like M1,4-ADD). This is an important difference. A diol is a compound that contains two hydroxyl groups.

M1,4-ADD is 17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol. Notice that this is a 1,4 Androstatadiene-3 like both Dbol and Equipoise. However, M1,4-ADD is configured as a 17-diol just like Equipoise. Also, M1,4-ADD lacks the 17b-hydroxy configuration present in the Dbol structure.

This difference, in this case has more to do with the enzymatic conversions by which each compound is converted to methylboldenone as opposed the effect of methylboldenone itself. As a diol, M1,4-ADD has a double body on an O. This converts using a different process of enzymatic conversion than the dione which is a ketone.

That double bond is also responsible for EQ’s property to avoid conversion by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme which affects Dbol and causes Dbol to exhibit many of its undesirable properties - water retention, aromitization ect.

In its battle with the diol double bond, however, the 5- 5-Alpha enzyme converts a tiny amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen. As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that it’s really of no concern. This factor, plus it's neligible aromatisation rate translate into the differences between EQ and Dbol in conversion even though they both reach the same final end point.

Whew! Ok, let me summarize this! Different enzymes convert Dbol and EQ to the same target. Along the way, the different enzymatic process creates different intermediates. Intermediates are compounds that are created along the way to a final destination. The different enzymatic reactions result in the different effects between such similar compounds.

I hope that helps. Please forgive me the dissertation and for burning up so much bandwidth with this post.

 

[V00D00]

Dr.C2, you said it more likely resembles and effects like EQ but that doesnt make sense when you say the target hormone is methylboldenone which to me would mean Dbol. Can you explain?
QUOTE]

Sure. It actually has more to do with the diol vs dione configuration. Indulge me for a second with chemistry lesson.

DBol aka: Methandrostenolone
is chemically expressed as 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Equipoise aka:Boldenone Undeclynate
is chemically expressed as 1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-diol

You can see that Dbol and EQ share some similarities.
Both are 1,4-androstadien-3-one. However, Equipoise also is configured as a "diol" (the 17b-diol part just like M1,4-ADD). This is an important difference. A diol is a compound that contains two hydroxyl groups.

M1,4-ADD is 17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol. Notice that this is a 1,4 Androstatadiene-3 like both Dbol and Equipoise. However, M1,4-ADD is configured as a 17-diol just like Equipoise. Also, M1,4-ADD lacks the 17b-hydroxy configuration present in the Dbol structure.

This difference, in this case has more to do with the enzymatic conversions by which each compound is converted to methylboldenone as opposed the effect of methylboldenone itself. As a diol, M1,4-ADD has a double body on an O. This converts using a different process of enzymatic conversion than the dione which is a ketone.

That double bond is also responsible for EQ’s property to avoid conversion by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme which affects Dbol and causes Dbol to exhibit many of its undesirable properties - water retention, aromitization ect.

In its battle with the diol double bond, however, the 5- 5-Alpha enzyme converts a tiny amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen. As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that it’s really of no concern. This factor, plus it's neligible aromatisation rate translate into the differences between EQ and Dbol in conversion even though they both reach the same final end point.

Whew! Ok, let me summarize this! Different enzymes convert Dbol and EQ to the same target. Along the way, the different enzymatic process creates different intermediates. Intermediates are compounds that are created along the way to a final destination. The different enzymatic reactions result in the different effects between such similar compounds.

I hope that helps. Please forgive me the dissertation and for burning up so much bandwidth with this post.

Im stacking EQ-T2 with Trenadrol as we speak. muhuhahaha.

 

[friction515]

I don't think I have ever had progestin gyno. I will never do a cycle with test again I for sure need gyno surgery for my left nipple my right has no growth. I just did a cycle of epistane and toward the end I threw some methoxy tst in and within a day my gyno flared up big time I am now well into pct and my left nipple still hurts pretty bad.

I figured the epi would counteract the aromatization but no money. Well thats enough subject changing for me goodnight.

 

[pistonpump]

thanks for the lesson bro. Makes sense.

 

[Hyde12]

Here is a section on the writeup:

17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol) is a direct precursor to Boldenone, otherwise known as Epuipoise, Ganabol, Equigan, and Ultragan. The said product has a very high oral bioavailability due to its methylated form and requires lower milligram dosage compared to 1, 4 AD. It should be noted that by methylating this compound its potency is magnified by up to ten fold! You can expect steady lean muscle gains with a higher androgenic effect compared to other pro-hormones.

Now im wondering if this would actually work and anything else about it. Would it be legit? I know that methylation changes compounds effects drastically in some cases but if you had to take less and get a boldenone effect would this be worth it. The say they are 25mg capsules.....anyone? thoughts?

How is this compound on libido, lethargy, well being... etc.?

 

[Dr_C2]

How is this compound on libido, lethargy, well being... etc.?

My opinions again, and as I will always state, opinions vary.

I had no issues with M1,4-ADD or its dione cousin 1,4-AD. Energy was fine, sense of well-being was great but what do you expect when you walk around feeling full and hard from the increase in RBC. Libido has never been an issue for me regardless of what I used - I am lucky in that sense. Of course, my wife would like it if I would take something to kill my drive.:rofl:

 

[The Anonymizer]

Dr.C2, you said it more likely resembles and effects like EQ but that doesnt make sense when you say the target hormone is methylboldenone which to me would mean Dbol. Can you explain?
QUOTE]

Sure. It actually has more to do with the diol vs dione configuration. Indulge me for a second with chemistry lesson.

DBol aka: Methandrostenolone
is chemically expressed as 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Equipoise aka:Boldenone Undeclynate
is chemically expressed as 1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-diol

You can see that Dbol and EQ share some similarities.
Both are 1,4-androstadien-3-one. However, Equipoise also is configured as a "diol" (the 17b-diol part just like M1,4-ADD). This is an important difference. A diol is a compound that contains two hydroxyl groups.

M1,4-ADD is 17a-methyl-1, 4-Androstadiene-3, 17-diol. Notice that this is a 1,4 Androstatadiene-3 like both Dbol and Equipoise. However, M1,4-ADD is configured as a 17-diol just like Equipoise. Also, M1,4-ADD lacks the 17b-hydroxy configuration present in the Dbol structure.

This difference, in this case has more to do with the enzymatic conversions by which each compound is converted to methylboldenone as opposed the effect of methylboldenone itself. As a diol, M1,4-ADD has a double body on an O. This converts using a different process of enzymatic conversion than the dione which is a ketone.

That double bond is also responsible for EQ’s property to avoid conversion by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme which affects Dbol and causes Dbol to exhibit many of its undesirable properties - water retention, aromitization ect.

In its battle with the diol double bond, however, the 5- 5-Alpha enzyme converts a tiny amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen. As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that it’s really of no concern. This factor, plus it's neligible aromatisation rate translate into the differences between EQ and Dbol in conversion even though they both reach the same final end point.

Whew! Ok, let me summarize this! Different enzymes convert Dbol and EQ to the same target. Along the way, the different enzymatic process creates different intermediates. Intermediates are compounds that are created along the way to a final destination. The different enzymatic reactions result in the different effects between such similar compounds.

I hope that helps. Please forgive me the dissertation and for burning up so much bandwidth with this post.

just came across this but felt the need to correct the misinformation.

there is NO difference between methylboldenone and Dbol. the methyl group is what makes it a Diol instead of a Dione.

EQ is also expressed as: 17b-hydroxy-androst-1,4,-diene-3-one

if you add a methyl group at the 17a position you get Dbol: 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one (it doesnt matter if you write the 1,4 before or after the "androst" in the nomenclature)


if M1,4-ADD truly is a diol who knows whats on the other end of that double bond at the 17 position, because its not a hydroxyl group or the compound would actually be Dbol.