- 04-03-2007, 04:14 PM
Well, I started my Havoc today@20mgs. I havent touched a prohormone for 8 months and I did a crappy post cycle therapy. I have everything that I need for this one. And I have gained a wealth of knowledge from this website. My cycle is going like follows, if anyone has any advice then please let me know.
Week 1 - Havoc 20mgs/DHEA 75mgs
Week 2 - Havoc 30mgs/DHEA 75mgs
Week 3 - Havoc 30mgs/DHEA 100mgs
Week 4 - Havoc 40mgs/DHEA 100mgs
Week 5 - Toremifene(120 first 3 days) then 90mgs/AX PCT 1
Week 6 - Toremifene 90mgs/AX PCT 2 caps
Week 7 - Toremifene 60mgs/AX PCT 2 caps
Week 8 - Toremifene 30mgs/AX PCT 3 caps
Milk thistle ~ 400-600mgs
ALA - 300 mgs
ALCAR - 2 Grams
Choline Citrate - 2 Grams
Starting Weight:186 about 12% body fat. Looking to cut for summer.
- 04-03-2007, 04:28 PM
i'm in my third week of havoc at 30mg/d and my strength shot through the roof, scary strength...good luck
- 04-03-2007, 04:47 PM
04-03-2007, 04:57 PM
good luck, Hyde!
04-03-2007, 05:02 PM
04-03-2007, 05:05 PM
oh, either is good, i would say HD is stronger, but we are working on re-formulating PCT as well...........
look at my journal for some PCT ideas.........
04-03-2007, 05:28 PM
04-03-2007, 05:34 PM
and colin scary strength is my set at bench is up 10lbs so far but I know I can move my set up more and my max went up over 40 lbs..every time I go in, especially chest, I am just so much stronger, i'll be able to get 2-3 more reps of heavier weight every time, hopefully I will max out at 300 tomorrow
04-03-2007, 06:21 PM
04-04-2007, 10:26 AM
Well, Ive already started noticed the positive sense of well being and had a pretty good chest workout at lunch. I think i might go ahead and just run 30mg the whole time so that I can keep a constant level of it in my system. Libido is elevated. I am taking the Havoc with meals which I hear is the best for absorption.
04-05-2007, 06:02 PM
yeah, you should definitely do that..ps..strength = benching 275 x 3 and then three days later benching 305 x 3 and moving your set of 8 from 235 to 245...and after all that squeezing out 2 more reps dumb bell pressing 110's than the previous time to make 6
04-05-2007, 09:03 PM
grant, did you get those type of strength gains with Havoc? THATS AMAZING!
04-06-2007, 04:43 AM
Took yesterday off from the gym. Havent noticed anything spectacular yet. I know most people say that it takes a little while to kick in. It took about 5 days for superdrol to kick in. Plan on bombing my back and Bi's at the gym today (back is my favorite) and then doing some cardio. Should I take on Havoc in the morning and then 2 before workout or just spread them out like Ive been doing? A couple of guys from my work are on Havoc and they are about 10 days into it and they say that they don't feel shut down at all. One of my friends said that his nuts have grown!! How is this possible??
04-06-2007, 12:05 PM
04-06-2007, 12:06 PM
04-06-2007, 12:52 PM
I wonder if Havoc and Primo tabs would make a good stack??
04-06-2007, 03:02 PM
Ok, there is no way this stuff could be kicking in this fast! I weighed 186 five days ago and now I'm 192! I felt strong as hell during my back work out today! Libido is increasing as well (I really hope that continues to climb). This has got to be a placebo effect because Superdrol didn't even kick in this quick. For some reason, my nuts are hanging lower than normal (thats really weird). I'm also getting bigger erections.
04-08-2007, 07:24 PM
Getting strong as hell! Havoc is really kicking in now. It seems like its good for cardio as well. Libido up a little (nothing much). Thinking about dropping the DHEA. I'm not sure its doing much.
04-08-2007, 07:26 PM
04-08-2007, 07:26 PM
did you weigh urself with the same scale dude?
04-09-2007, 01:08 PM
04-09-2007, 01:10 PM
Well, Im up to 192 now (which is amazing). Libido is down, but I think the problem is the DHEA so I'm gonna drop it. If I had some 4ad then I would run that, but I don't so Im going to run the Havoc solo.
04-09-2007, 01:46 PM
04-09-2007, 04:30 PM
04-09-2007, 04:43 PM
04-09-2007, 04:47 PM
04-09-2007, 04:50 PM
04-09-2007, 05:07 PM
im in on this one, im starting up havoc in a week or two.
Im especially interested in your PCT hyde, are you going to keep us updated with PCT in this log?
04-10-2007, 04:46 AM
04-10-2007, 05:38 AM
hyde, did you outline your PCT yet? sorry if i missed it...........
04-10-2007, 03:08 PM
Week 5 - Toremifene(120 first 3 days) then 90mgs/AX post cycle therapy 1
Week 6 - Toremifene 90mgs/AX post cycle therapy 2 caps
Week 7 - Toremifene 60mgs/AX post cycle therapy 2 caps
Week 8 - Toremifene 30mgs/AX post cycle therapy 3 caps
I will probably not include DHEA this time.
04-10-2007, 03:19 PM
04-10-2007, 03:37 PM
04-10-2007, 03:43 PM
Feeling great today! Pumps were amazing during my biceps workout! I also did cardio and even that was cake (I hate cardio). This is the first steroid that I have tried that made me feel good when I did cardio. I could barely walk for any distance while on superdrol, let alone go for a run. Libido is up, but nothing major. The only side effect that I have so far is a really oily forehead and some positive aggresion.
04-12-2007, 05:04 AM
Still feeling awesome! I added some E-form and it seems to raise my libido up even more.
04-13-2007, 04:59 AM
Still feeling pretty good. Strength still is insane. Libido is lower than normal. Maybe E2 is getting too low? My joints don't hurt though. My nips are small (like usual), but I still have some fat in the lower abdominal area which I hope will be gone by the time this Havoc cycle is done. My diet is on track, but I need to add more cardio in. Am I correct in my thinking that since Havoc is closely related to a SERM, then it would do nothing for lowering estrogen in the body and only prevent estrogen from attaching to estrogen receptors?
04-14-2007, 12:18 PM
Feeling really good today. I feel pumped all day long and it feels good. I did legs today and wanted to throw up after. I love the intensity that Havoc gives me. Holding steady to 193 right now, which isn't bad considering I'm only 5'9. I hope the new Anabolic Xtreme post cycle therapy is out by the time I hit my PCT because I would love to add that in there in place of the old AX PCT. I will have to try and convince my wife that I need to buy more supps, which probably won't happen lol. So, I may just have to run what I got. I was wondering what it would hurt to add Clomid to the Torm at say 50mg ED?
04-14-2007, 12:41 PM
no need to add clomid................
04-14-2007, 01:21 PM
you could, but the torm is more than capable of taking care of things by itself.
04-14-2007, 01:37 PM
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