Havoc Log

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  1. Havoc Log


    Well, I started my Havoc today@20mgs. I havent touched a prohormone for 8 months and I did a crappy post cycle therapy. I have everything that I need for this one. And I have gained a wealth of knowledge from this website. My cycle is going like follows, if anyone has any advice then please let me know.
    Week 1 - Havoc 20mgs/DHEA 75mgs
    Week 2 - Havoc 30mgs/DHEA 75mgs
    Week 3 - Havoc 30mgs/DHEA 100mgs
    Week 4 - Havoc 40mgs/DHEA 100mgs
    Week 5 - Toremifene(120 first 3 days) then 90mgs/AX PCT 1
    Cap/DHEA 50mgs
    Week 6 - Toremifene 90mgs/AX PCT 2 caps
    Week 7 - Toremifene 60mgs/AX PCT 2 caps
    Week 8 - Toremifene 30mgs/AX PCT 3 caps

    Supports supps
    Milk thistle ~ 400-600mgs
    ALA - 300 mgs
    ALCAR - 2 Grams
    Choline Citrate - 2 Grams
    Multi Vitamin
    Glucosamine
    MSM

    Starting Weight:186 about 12% body fat. Looking to cut for summer.


  2. i'm in my third week of havoc at 30mg/d and my strength shot through the roof, scary strength...good luck

  3. ^sounds awesome. how much weight are u up?
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  4. i'm in!

    good luck, Hyde!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    i'm in!

    good luck, Hyde!
    I might order some Hyperdrol X2 and run it instead of the AX PCT. I do love the mATD though. Is Hyperdrol X2 too potent like rebound is?

  6. oh, either is good, i would say HD is stronger, but we are working on re-formulating PCT as well...........

    look at my journal for some PCT ideas.........

  7. Quote Originally Posted by grantr View Post
    i'm in my third week of havoc at 30mg/d and my strength shot through the roof, scary strength...good luck
    Whats an example of scary strength, +20lbs bench?

    Just want to know what I have to look forward to with my havoc cycle.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    ^sounds awesome. how much weight are u up?
    i'm only up 4 lbs I think

    and colin scary strength is my set at bench is up 10lbs so far but I know I can move my set up more and my max went up over 40 lbs..every time I go in, especially chest, I am just so much stronger, i'll be able to get 2-3 more reps of heavier weight every time, hopefully I will max out at 300 tomorrow

  9. Quote Originally Posted by colindep View Post
    Whats an example of scary strength, +20lbs bench?

    Just want to know what I have to look forward to with my havoc cycle.
    YES your bench will jump 20 pounds EASILY and possibly more as the cycle goes on...............
  10. Day 2


    Well, Ive already started noticed the positive sense of well being and had a pretty good chest workout at lunch. I think i might go ahead and just run 30mg the whole time so that I can keep a constant level of it in my system. Libido is elevated. I am taking the Havoc with meals which I hear is the best for absorption.

  11. yeah, you should definitely do that..ps..strength = benching 275 x 3 and then three days later benching 305 x 3 and moving your set of 8 from 235 to 245...and after all that squeezing out 2 more reps dumb bell pressing 110's than the previous time to make 6

  12. grant, did you get those type of strength gains with Havoc? THATS AMAZING!
  13. Day 3


    Took yesterday off from the gym. Havent noticed anything spectacular yet. I know most people say that it takes a little while to kick in. It took about 5 days for superdrol to kick in. Plan on bombing my back and Bi's at the gym today (back is my favorite) and then doing some cardio. Should I take on Havoc in the morning and then 2 before workout or just spread them out like Ive been doing? A couple of guys from my work are on Havoc and they are about 10 days into it and they say that they don't feel shut down at all. One of my friends said that his nuts have grown!! How is this possible??

  14. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    grant, did you get those type of strength gains with Havoc? THATS AMAZING!
    hell yes I did, not good for size, but my strength is just growing off the hook..I am taking m13 (xmass, lmg)75 mg a day (25 mg pills 3 times a day) along with the havoc..keeping my joints wet and pain away...chest again tomorrow, gonna go for 315

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Took yesterday off from the gym. Havent noticed anything spectacular yet. I know most people say that it takes a little while to kick in. It took about 5 days for superdrol to kick in. Plan on bombing my back and Bi's at the gym today (back is my favorite) and then doing some cardio. Should I take on Havoc in the morning and then 2 before workout or just spread them out like Ive been doing? A couple of guys from my work are on Havoc and they are about 10 days into it and they say that they don't feel shut down at all. One of my friends said that his nuts have grown!! How is this possible??
    spread them out, this is what I'm doing and my strength is skyrocketing

  16. I wonder if Havoc and Primo tabs would make a good stack??
  17. Day 4


    Ok, there is no way this stuff could be kicking in this fast! I weighed 186 five days ago and now I'm 192! I felt strong as hell during my back work out today! Libido is increasing as well (I really hope that continues to climb). This has got to be a placebo effect because Superdrol didn't even kick in this quick. For some reason, my nuts are hanging lower than normal (thats really weird). I'm also getting bigger erections.
  18. Day 5


    Getting strong as hell! Havoc is really kicking in now. It seems like its good for cardio as well. Libido up a little (nothing much). Thinking about dropping the DHEA. I'm not sure its doing much.

  19. u still at 20mgs bro?

  20. did you weigh urself with the same scale dude?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    did you weigh urself with the same scale dude?
    Yup, same scale. I went ahead and went up to 30 mgs.
  22. Day 6/7


    Well, Im up to 192 now (which is amazing). Libido is down, but I think the problem is the DHEA so I'm gonna drop it. If I had some 4ad then I would run that, but I don't so Im going to run the Havoc solo.

  23. awesome dude, keep it up!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Well, Im up to 192 now (which is amazing). Libido is down, but I think the problem is the DHEA so I'm gonna drop it. If I had some 4ad then I would run that, but I don't so Im going to run the Havoc solo.
    Lucky, i'm not putting on any weight at all

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Well, Im up to 192 now (which is amazing). Libido is down, but I think the problem is the DHEA so I'm gonna drop it. If I had some 4ad then I would run that, but I don't so Im going to run the Havoc solo.
    Hyde, not sure if I missed it or not but how tall are you?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by DecaDone View Post
    Hyde, not sure if I missed it or not but how tall are you?
    5'9 around 12 percent body fat. Just to update on the strength increase I did chest today and I was throwing up the 120s on flat bench about 4-5 times

  27. Quote Originally Posted by grantr View Post
    Lucky, i'm not putting on any weight at all
    My body always does this when im on steroids or pro-hormones. I put on about 25 lbs in 3 weeks on Superdrol. So, far I like Havoc better because the sides are so low. I haven't even had a lower back pump yet!

  28. im in on this one, im starting up havoc in a week or two.

    Im especially interested in your PCT hyde, are you going to keep us updated with PCT in this log?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    im in on this one, im starting up havoc in a week or two.

    Im especially interested in your post cycle therapy hyde, are you going to keep us updated with PCT in this log?
    Yeah, I'm gonna log this until the end of PCT. If you see any changes that could be made or anything you think I should add anything let me know.

  30. hyde, did you outline your PCT yet? sorry if i missed it...........

  31. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    hyde, did you outline your post cycle therapy yet? sorry if i missed it...........

    Week 5 - Toremifene(120 first 3 days) then 90mgs/AX post cycle therapy 1
    Cap/DHEA 50mgs
    Week 6 - Toremifene 90mgs/AX post cycle therapy 2 caps
    Week 7 - Toremifene 60mgs/AX post cycle therapy 2 caps
    Week 8 - Toremifene 30mgs/AX post cycle therapy 3 caps

    I will probably not include DHEA this time.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I will probably not include DHEA this time.


    FINALLY, someone who doesnt like to include exogenous androgens in their post cycle therapy thinking it is somehow exempt from the HPTA negative feedback system.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post


    FINALLY, someone who doesnt like to include exogenous androgens in their post cycle therapy thinking it is somehow exempt from the HPTA negative feedback system.
    Im actually not going to be taking it during cycle either. I was going to for my joints, but it was hurting my libido. I really do not like DHEA. What do you think about adding E-form to my cycle. Someone else on another thread thinks its a good idea for libido and cutting, but I feel that Havoc is already a good cutter and destroying more Estrogen will be counter productive right?
  34. Day 8


    Feeling great today! Pumps were amazing during my biceps workout! I also did cardio and even that was cake (I hate cardio). This is the first steroid that I have tried that made me feel good when I did cardio. I could barely walk for any distance while on superdrol, let alone go for a run. Libido is up, but nothing major. The only side effect that I have so far is a really oily forehead and some positive aggresion.
  35. Day 9


    Still feeling awesome! I added some E-form and it seems to raise my libido up even more.
  36. Day 10


    Still feeling pretty good. Strength still is insane. Libido is lower than normal. Maybe E2 is getting too low? My joints don't hurt though. My nips are small (like usual), but I still have some fat in the lower abdominal area which I hope will be gone by the time this Havoc cycle is done. My diet is on track, but I need to add more cardio in. Am I correct in my thinking that since Havoc is closely related to a SERM, then it would do nothing for lowering estrogen in the body and only prevent estrogen from attaching to estrogen receptors?
  37. Day 11


    Feeling really good today. I feel pumped all day long and it feels good. I did legs today and wanted to throw up after. I love the intensity that Havoc gives me. Holding steady to 193 right now, which isn't bad considering I'm only 5'9. I hope the new Anabolic Xtreme post cycle therapy is out by the time I hit my PCT because I would love to add that in there in place of the old AX PCT. I will have to try and convince my wife that I need to buy more supps, which probably won't happen lol. So, I may just have to run what I got. I was wondering what it would hurt to add Clomid to the Torm at say 50mg ED?

  38. no need to add clomid................

  39. you could, but the torm is more than capable of taking care of things by itself.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    you could, but the torm is more than capable of taking care of things by itself.
    Cool, thanks.
  

  
 

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