prostanozol clone
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marshbomb
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marshbomb
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I was thinking of doing the following stack:
Wk 1- Phera-Plex 20mg
Wk 2- Phera-Plex 20mg
Wk 3- Phera-Plex 30mg
Wk 4- Phera-Plex 30mg / Superdrol 10mg / Prostanozol 75mg (optional)
Wk 5- Superdrol 20mg / Prostanozol 100mg
Wk 6- Superdrol 20mg / Prostanozol 125mg
Ive read some logs of some guys having great success with this.
marshbomb
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it looks like winztrol is the exact same thing as propadrol so i cant see how itd be weaker?
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Propadrol: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 17
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Winzstrol: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Not exact by any means. Looks like the prop is more of a max lmg type prod IDN. What I am curious about is how the clear capsules of the Winzstrol and the Mega Zol are so different. The powder is completely white in the mega zol, while the winz is almost herbal looking with some brown and green coloring with some white specs in it.....weird. Maybe its just different fillers or something.
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Winzstrol: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Not exact by any means. Looks like the prop is more of a max lmg type prod IDN. What I am curious about is how the clear capsules of the Winzstrol and the Mega Zol are so different. The powder is completely white in the mega zol, while the winz is almost herbal looking with some brown and green coloring with some white specs in it.....weird. Maybe its just different fillers or something.
thebigt
Legend
i ran mega-zol with pp a while ago and liked it. if i had to choose go with the zol. i really like the epistane, on day 11, but i got to tell you hema/prop was big time. felt like the hulk with supermans strength. going to run it again this summer. btw things can look close on paper but ive ran both and winstrol isnt even close to propadrol in reality. not bein smart ass just my honest opinion.
addijhaq
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good point. i think someone needs to do some explaining, either from juggernaut or from generic labs.
in most cases a substance of the same structure will be the exact same compound. either someone is lying or something is wrong.
i have a bottle of winztrol also, and ya, it looks pretty herbal to me. open up any chemical cpd and it's white for sure.
marshbomb
Member
My bad, I was confused. I meant prostanazol and Winztrol are the same.
fenster
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Grab all the Juggernaut Winztrol you can before retailers start jacking up the prices.
Juggernaut's raws for Winztrol got seized in Customs so that product won't be back according to them.
Stanozol-V from what I've heard is new one to watch for in a few weeks, as long as Customs doesn't nail the company that's making it.
Juggernaut's raws for Winztrol got seized in Customs so that product won't be back according to them.
Stanozol-V from what I've heard is new one to watch for in a few weeks, as long as Customs doesn't nail the company that's making it.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
It's ATD.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
who's gonna be making stanozol-V?
If it's legal to sell the prostanozol compound, why would Juggernaut get nailed by US customs?
yeahright
Well-known member
Are you experienced with these compounds?
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Haven't heard of the T extreme sounds like it would be good though.
Sinner, customs just likes to do that every now and then. Just ask USP and there rondevouz with Cissus.
Sinner, customs just likes to do that every now and then. Just ask USP and there rondevouz with Cissus.
yeahright
Well-known member
Because it's not really legal to sell prostanozol. It's not a high priority enforcement item for the feds and there is a tortured legal argument that it's ok to sell, so some companies continue to sell it.
However, the fact that Juggernaut isn't going to court to challenge the seizure of their raws shows you how much faith they have that they'd win in court.
fenster
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Not sure exactly. Grapevine talk for now. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know. I was just told to look for it in a few weeks.
I'm not sure what happened there with Juggernaut. Their answers to email were pretty short and lacking detail.
When I emailed and said "I had heard Customs took your raws for Winztrol, so is that product done now?"
They specifically said:
"Yes, unless something changes it is discontinued."
Some similar talk came out that IDS Sostenol-250 raws were hard to get into Florida, so they came out as Sustevol under Evolution Labs to avoid attention to the IDS name, but then they all of a sudden started making it again. <-- HEARSAY... but it makes sense.
Who knows, really. Some talk like that is purposely put out there to confuse competing manufacturers, and any entity or person that might be "quietly building a case" even though no current legislation exists that would give any such "case" legs in the first place.
You have to ask yourself, when that series of Wash. Post articles came out, what actually happened?
One article named Gaspari's Halodrol-50 and Orastan-E in one of them, and in another bigger article, specifically Pharmagenx Finigenx, A/X Superdrol, and Legal Gear's Methyl-1-P, and a couple of others when that IOC guy got his panties in a twist, which later got Senators pissed off, and the FDA said it would look into it.
As passive as this looked compared to the andro ban, notice, not one of those companies is currently making any product close to what they had before. So it seems that something of a stern warning had to be given.
marshbomb
Member
Im on my 3rd week of methy vol(superdrol clone) right now with good results. Will start PCT next week, lay off a few months and then start a new cycle. I want to do a stack next time so I am researching/planning what I want to do. Would love some suggestions.
fenster
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Well, the ones proven to work well are Sustevol which is Halo/Superdrol/PP in one product.
Another excellent new one is Testanate-50 which is Superdrol/PP/Finigenx all in one.
yeahright
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I would suggest that you avoid stacking methylated compounds.....especially if you don't have experience with the compounds seperately. Two methylated compounds can be extremely hard on the liver. You need some baseline knowledge on how your body reacts to these compound sbefore you consider what you've outline IMHO. If you want to stack, then consider a non-methyl compound (Zol, Max LMG, maybe furazabol - new so no info on its safety or efficacy).
fenster
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That is very true too.
When you refer to furazabol, do you mean Furaguno, or is there another one coming out, or that already is out that you know of?
marshbomb
Member
yeah, youre right. i am going to stay away from methyl stacks. what about havoc? i am reading a lot of good things about it and its supposed to be a lot safer,easy on the lipids.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
As long as it's not being stacked. Havoc is 17a-methylated
marshbomb
Member
hmm, i wonder if havoc/mega zol would be a good stack seeing as how zol isnt methylated.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Could be... and I believe YR ran something very similar.
yeahright
Well-known member
I meant furaguno.
yeahright
Well-known member
Havoc and epistane have received great user feedback. Yes, I did stack the two and had good results.
However, in speaking with someone associated with the deveopment of this compound, he speculated that zol might somewhat blunt the effectiveness of havoc/epistane (because of the nature of how the two compounds work in the body). So, take that for what it is worth.
I know this is exciting to play around with but the best advice I can give is to go slow. Get experience with something before you start thinking about stacking. Ninety-nine percent of your gains will come from proper diet and exercise. These compounds just tweak things a little. Focus on the fundamentals.
Dr_C2
Member
Its out there...
I just picked up 2 bottles for about $30 per bottle for 90 caps with 50 mg per cap.
Most folks suggest running at least 150-200 mg for [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol b/c it is a very mild anabolic. However, it will not product significant weight gains like those reported with 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol or 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one.
Good news is that it is not a methylated compound so there not a significant impact to the liver.
Dr_C
I just picked up 2 bottles for about $30 per bottle for 90 caps with 50 mg per cap.
Most folks suggest running at least 150-200 mg for [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol b/c it is a very mild anabolic. However, it will not product significant weight gains like those reported with 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol or 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one.
Good news is that it is not a methylated compound so there not a significant impact to the liver.
Dr_C
fibercarbon
Banned
what would i expect to get from stacking the winztrol with havoc?
Dr_C2
Member
My two cents..
Personally, I think that would be a good stack. I have not used Havoc yet myself, but several of my clients have used it as a stand alone product and really liked it.
First, how experienced are you with PH? How many cycles have you done? What PH have you used in the past? When was your last cycle and for how long?
Not trying to be nosey, but I can give you a better answer as to what you might expect from a Havoc/WinZtrol cycle based on some of that info.
Dr_C
Personally, I think that would be a good stack. I have not used Havoc yet myself, but several of my clients have used it as a stand alone product and really liked it.
First, how experienced are you with PH? How many cycles have you done? What PH have you used in the past? When was your last cycle and for how long?
Not trying to be nosey, but I can give you a better answer as to what you might expect from a Havoc/WinZtrol cycle based on some of that info.
Dr_C
fibercarbon
Banned
first ph cycle
Dr_C2
Member
WinZtrol/Havoc stack opinion
As I wrote in a previous post, I think it would be a good stack. Here are my reasons...
1. You could create a synergy by using two PH that convert in the body and exert anabolic effects through two total different metabolic pathways. In layman's terms, these are two very different PHs. WinZtrol is non-methylated and is absorbed principally through the lymphic system b/c of the THP group that is attached to the base compound. That means it bypasses the liver altogether. The second PH - Havoc is a methylated compound that will pass through the liver going in and out of the bloodstream. While this can add to the workload of the liver, in my experiences, as long as you run these type of compounds for less than 30 days, the additional workload should not be so taxing on your liver that it causes damage. This is the point where I recommend you get a blood test prior to using PH and after you end your cycle to create a baseline point to assess the amount of stress you are placing on your liver.
Now that I have given you the standard company line on your liver, I'll continue to tell you why I think these two PHs could create a nice stack.
2. You can moderate the dosages of each of these PHs toward the lower end of the daily recommendations. By stacking, you can use less of both of these PHs and get better results than using a higher does of just one. This is the real reason so many people stack. This benefit of stacking was most recently described in an article published in the Strength and Conditioning Journal, vol 28, pp. 42-55, 2006. In effect, stacking can also produce a higher level of safety b/c you can reduce the overall dosage of each specific PH you include in a stage.
3. You are a 1st time user of PH and this is a relative mild stack. It is best as a new user to start out with mild PH and see what type of effect their produce. These things work differently for everybody.
Just on the facts that you have given to me, I'd guess that you could get a solid 10 pounds of muscle out of a stack of WinZtrol/Havoc while dropping a few % of body fat as well.
If anyone else reading this has thoughs or opinions, please chime in.
Good luck and keep us posted on your progress!
Dr_C
As I wrote in a previous post, I think it would be a good stack. Here are my reasons...
1. You could create a synergy by using two PH that convert in the body and exert anabolic effects through two total different metabolic pathways. In layman's terms, these are two very different PHs. WinZtrol is non-methylated and is absorbed principally through the lymphic system b/c of the THP group that is attached to the base compound. That means it bypasses the liver altogether. The second PH - Havoc is a methylated compound that will pass through the liver going in and out of the bloodstream. While this can add to the workload of the liver, in my experiences, as long as you run these type of compounds for less than 30 days, the additional workload should not be so taxing on your liver that it causes damage. This is the point where I recommend you get a blood test prior to using PH and after you end your cycle to create a baseline point to assess the amount of stress you are placing on your liver.
Now that I have given you the standard company line on your liver, I'll continue to tell you why I think these two PHs could create a nice stack.
2. You can moderate the dosages of each of these PHs toward the lower end of the daily recommendations. By stacking, you can use less of both of these PHs and get better results than using a higher does of just one. This is the real reason so many people stack. This benefit of stacking was most recently described in an article published in the Strength and Conditioning Journal, vol 28, pp. 42-55, 2006. In effect, stacking can also produce a higher level of safety b/c you can reduce the overall dosage of each specific PH you include in a stage.
3. You are a 1st time user of PH and this is a relative mild stack. It is best as a new user to start out with mild PH and see what type of effect their produce. These things work differently for everybody.
Just on the facts that you have given to me, I'd guess that you could get a solid 10 pounds of muscle out of a stack of WinZtrol/Havoc while dropping a few % of body fat as well.
If anyone else reading this has thoughs or opinions, please chime in.
Good luck and keep us posted on your progress!
Dr_C
addijhaq
Member
personally running both together for the whole cycle would be too much pain on the joints for me. prostan is a muscle hardener, basically dries you up, and epistane/havoc work on the principles of a mild serm, as previous google searches leads to its use in the research of breast cancer treatment or gyno maintenance. that's alot of cortisol/estro lowering for me, and would result in some serious doms.
i chose to overlap only 2 weeks but basically run them back to back for a 6 week total cycle, still keeping epi under 30 days total.
i'm also running it with liv.52
i chose to overlap only 2 weeks but basically run them back to back for a 6 week total cycle, still keeping epi under 30 days total.
i'm also running it with liv.52
Dr_C2
Member
Thanks stxnas I just saw the Subject line in the post. I fixed it. Yeahright edited the other posts for me last night.
My bad, I got a little careless and wasn't paying attention. Won't happen again.
Dr_C
fenster
New member
Pharmapro. They currently make Maxodrol (Halo clone) and Equi-Gain (Bold/Boldione clone).
Pharmapro actually makes high-quality stuff, but are direct sales only except for one or two stores. They test very close to label unlike some clones.
I know of one clone that was actually very popular but tested HALF the label claim.
fenster
New member
Thanks! Yeah, can't wait for that stuff!!
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Thanks for the heads up.
angelo212
Member
I thought he meant furazabol which is a clone of Oranstane A that Gaspari made. I had to edit my post. Sorry.
jmh80
Well-known member
Dude - I have NO f**king clue what any of the product names (or companies) are in your post.
Back when I was familar with PH's - it was PheraPlex, Superdrol, Halodrol, ProStan, ErgoMax - now I have no idea what all these clones are.
Most of them are a cross of some sort of the old PH's names - which is really confusing.
I ain't even trying to learn 'em though. I'm old and lazy - and have enough of the old types to not need to buy any, ever.
BTW - you a UT student? Or just a fan?
I was at Homecoming 2002 when we (Miami) rolled into Neyland. Man - that was fun!
fenster
New member
LOL! Well hopefully you look into some of the new items that are out now.
I'm just a UT fan. That loss didn't hurt as bad as losing the damn Peach Bowl two years in a row! :aargh: :lol: