My Epistane Log!

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  1. I've read that Havoc (correct me if I'm wrong, but same as Epistane), leads to some fairly noticeable back pumps. If you don't already, I'd get my hands on some Taurine in case you get the pumps. Good log, I hope you reach your goals bro.

    Since your strength will probably increase unnaturally, you may want to get some joint support going as you'll probably be lifting to your max, which may be more than your joints/connective tissue can handle for an extended duration. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I just want to spit some "FYIs" and I hope you don't hurt yourself! I take joint support (Universal Animals FLEX joint support packets) daily.

    Good luck!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by papapumpsd View Post
    I've read that Havoc (correct me if I'm wrong, but same as Epistane), leads to some fairly noticeable back pumps. If you don't already, I'd get my hands on some Taurine in case you get the pumps. Good log, I hope you reach your goals bro.

    Since your strength will probably increase unnaturally, you may want to get some joint support going as you'll probably be lifting to your max, which may be more than your joints/connective tissue can handle for an extended duration. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I just want to spit some "FYIs" and I hope you don't hurt yourself! I take joint support (Universal Animals FLEX joint support packets) daily.

    Good luck!

    I havent heard back pumps from a few friends that have tried it, but they do hurt like a bi*ch...sd killed my back.
    Cissus for the joints is a must for me now on any ph, animal flex is a quality product too ....
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  3. I got back pumps while on havoc.....

    so they are possible!

  4. im sure i got some taurine laying around somewhere...so far no backpumps....ive also been taking 2-3 grams of bulk cissis for about 3 weeks

  5. DAY 9

    woke up at 189 this morning...started at 180 so im up some weight. Like i mentioned i was 185 before a vacation and came back 180 probably due to the long day in airport, so that gain was expected... ill be doing chest again today. i did it 3 days ago but i think im good to go again...im hoping for atleast some strength gains.
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  6. i'm getting back pumps too but nothing compared to how superdrol is

  7. DAY 9

    chest workout

    falt bench- 225 x 8 (2 rep pr) 235 x 4
    incline db- 90 x 3, 85's x 6,5
    decline bb- 185 x 9,6,7

    i finished with a few fly movements also. tiny increase in strength....only on the first set though... rest of workout was not good and lower then usual...im dissapointed so far, but im defineatly looking a bit bigger. hope next workout has some explosive strength or something. also ive been very pissed of lately, not normal for me.

  8. DAY 10

    not to much to report....about to go to the gym and do a back workout. I took 2 stim x, and 4 mg of yohimbine about 3 hrs ago and fell pretty good right now...stims always give me a warm happy feeling in my stomach...especially yohimbine. Also today i noticed some veins were popping out a little bit, which is unsual for me. looking foward to this workout.

  9. Back workout

    deadlift- 225 x 5, 315 x 6,5,4
    bb rows- 200 x 8,8,7
    pullups superset with pulldowns- 6, 140 x 8.....5, 120 x 8
    reverse pec dec- 120 x 10,8


    pretty solid workout. weights were up on bb rows again.. i felt the back lower back pumps a bit more then i usually do today, but nothing to big. no crazy strength gains so far., but my rows seem to be getting stronger. only negative side so far is some acne, which is just a bit more then i usually have. libido has been crazy high...higher then ever actually. I hope that lasts the rest of this cycle.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651 View Post
    Back workout

    deadlift- 225 x 5, 315 x 6,5,4
    bb rows- 200 x 8,8,7
    pullups superset with pulldowns- 6, 140 x 8.....5, 120 x 8
    reverse pec dec- 120 x 10,8


    pretty solid workout. weights were up on bb rows again.. i felt the back lower back pumps a bit more then i usually do today, but nothing to big. no crazy strength gains so far., but my rows seem to be getting stronger. only negative side so far is some acne, which is just a bit more then i usually have. libido has been crazy high...higher then ever actually. I hope that lasts the rest of this cycle.

    i think you can up the volume a little

    you may already know but reverse pec-deck is actually rear deltoids (shoulders)...i personal train and its a common misconception

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Tom 185 View Post
    i think you can up the volume a little

    you may already know but reverse pec-deck is actually rear deltoids (shoulders)...i personal train and its a common misconception
    i might up the volume a bit....im starting to think epi is making me lethargic in the gym..i just dont want to be there anymore...also i just like to do my rear delts on back day

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651 View Post
    i might up the volume a bit....im starting to think epi is making me lethargic in the gym..i just dont want to be there anymore...also i just like to do my rear delts on back day
    hmm could be...i havent noticed any yet at 40mg...bumping to 50mg soon....

    yea no prob with that...im actually gonna do rear & side delts with back and front delts with chest soon when i cut down to a 4 day split

  13. thats actually the first day i did rear delts with back, im trying new things for shoulder because no matter what i do they wont grow. i have very low rounded shoulders, and my rear delts are almost non-existant.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651 View Post
    thats actually the first day i did rear delts with back, im trying new things for shoulder because no matter what i do they wont grow. i have very low rounded shoulders, and my rear delts are almost non-existant.
    my shoulders and traps are wayyyyyyyy bigger than everything else it looks pretty funny actually....i do back monday and shoulders thursday

    middle back...3 exercises....8 sets total
    lower back....2 exercises....6 sets total (*always 4 deadlift)
    lats..............3 exercises....8 sets total

    front shoulders...2 presses..1 front raise...8 sets total
    side shoulders....2 exercises...................6 sets total
    rear shoulders....2 exercises...................6 sets total
    always end with 2 sets of upright rows
    2 sets of shrugs (used to be 4 but they got too big!)

    now thats volume

  15. Shoulder workout with some light tri work

    bb military press- 135 x 8, 155 x 8, 175 x 6
    push press- 135 x 8, 185 x 8, 205 x 6
    db press- 80's x 3 (someone messed my set up) 70's x 8(felt bad after last set)
    reverse grip bench- 175 x 8,7,6

    I finished with a few sidelaterals nothing different really. i had fun in the gym today and had good energy. Militarys werent really up much if at all, but i did feel my form was tighter and i was going lower then usual. Pushpress however was up a good 10 and it felt pretty nice. still not getting any huge gains, but i had a nice little boost today.

  16. DAY 12


    today is an off day....so far shutdown appeares to be minimal, boys havent shrunk much if at all....libido is higher than its ever been in my life. im pretty sure my gyno is looking better, my nips dont look as puffy as usual. Weight has gone down a few lbs actually, which isnt suprizing consdering i gained like 8-10 lbs in a week. how long should it be before i start getting huge strength gains?

  17. DAY 13

    bicep workout

    bb curls- 95 x 10,10.....100 x 10, 115 x 6
    db hammer curls- 50's x 10, 45's x 10, 40's x 10
    Alt db curls- 40's x 8, 35's x 12, 40's x 10?
    hammer strength bicep curl- 90 x 6,5

    pretty strong workout, great pump, strength was up a small bit. IT was weird though, i would do a set that felt heavy, do another lighter set that felt like i could do it forever, then when returning to original weight i did more reps. hammer strength was weaker then usual, but its usually done earlier in the routine. on a side note i woke up today at 186 lbs which isn't good.

  18. i also decided last night to bump it to 40 mg for the last 8 days. then my 2 week pct followed by another cycle

  19. DAY 14

    chest workout

    flat bench- 245 x 7, 275 x 1, 235 x 4
    incline db- 90's x 3, 80's x 8,6
    cg incline bench- 175 x 6, 165 x 6,5


    finished off with a negative and some burnouts...i was amazed by my strength on flat bench today, for the first time in two weeks i had a noticable increase in strength. also i experienced some back pumps today, probably due to bumping up to 40 mg's, i feel that is the right dosage for me. ill do a 2 week mini review a bit later.

  20. lookin good in here!

  21. keep it up man

  22. Day 15

    back workout
    bb rows- 225 x 6,5, 185 x 12
    cable row- 170 x 10, 180 x 10,8
    shrugs- 315 x 12,12,8


    solid workout.. rows felt pretty strong, shrugs felt ****ty, i havent done them in a while. the pumps were crazy, especaily in my forearms, it made it hard to grip the shrugs.

  23. Glad to see that 40mg seems to be your sweet spot!Nice log and congrats on the shrinking gyno!

    I also have trouble with grip (in my home gym all I have are the chrome O bars) so I resort to using straps on most every heavy pulling movement.Good luck with the rest of your run!


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  24. Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Glad to see that 40mg seems to be your sweet spot!Nice log and congrats on the shrinking gyno!

    I also have trouble with grip (in my home gym all I have are the chrome O bars) so I resort to using straps on most every heavy pulling movement.Good luck with the rest of your run!
    yeah i think im just gonna finish it out 4 more weeks at 40 mg, instead of my original 3 on 2 off 4 on, and if felt more like my grip was off from the forearm pumps......it was weird thats not usually a problem for me.
  25. 16 day review


    ive been on epi for 16 days so far. heres the sides

    POSITIVE:
    *gained 4 lbs
    *added about 20 lbs to bench and rows
    *libido was way up first 2 weeks but has leveled at average
    *much harder muscles
    *slight increase in vascuarity.
    *i think my gyno is a bit better, barely though.
    *hungry all the time (no matter what)

    NEGATIVE:
    *tired in the gym
    *got 1 or two cases of back pumps that werent to bad but noticable.
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