How to "pulse" orals
- 04-16-2007, 12:06 PM
- 04-16-2007, 12:13 PM
As for your schedule, that sounds rough alright! I get about that much sleep to and it is very counter productive to gains and recovery (especially for arms it seems). Other than that, I think you could do it with the proper training style like a HIT or some version of that and not need lots of time to train during the week. It sounds like your diet may be compromised too with that schedule, so definitely take DHEA or a cortisol antagonist on the off days if you can.
04-16-2007, 10:56 PM
04-17-2007, 04:06 PM
In a pulse fassion, with dosing days: Sun, Tues, Thursday, (and maybe a little something saturday morning if Im feelina little "rough" :P)
Anyways, so my standard 15-20mg dbol base...
I had added PP to that at 30mg.
Recently, I substatuted 20mg SD in place of the PP (cause I still cant tell if phera does anything for me other then slight supression)
noe, The chemical basicly clears by the time the next dose is taken right?
I mean, there might be metabolites left over, but the real anabolic effect is gone by the time Im going to take another dose right?
I know SD works for me, but I cant take more then 20mg SD becasue of it's CNS stim - I work out in the evenings, and would dose around 5pm,.. so Id never get to sleep
Would there be ANY differences WHAT anabolic I took? Could I choose to do SD on Sun and say PP tuesday?
you might ask why, but I am able to eat most of my cals in the evenings while at home... so I kinda need to have dosing around that time anyways for max bennifit.
(lol- didn't I say "QUICK" question??? )
anyways- while I wouldnt see an ADVANTAGE in altering the anabolic I take with the dbol, are there any DISadvantages?
04-17-2007, 04:10 PM
04-17-2007, 04:16 PM
04-18-2007, 12:27 AM
04-18-2007, 12:33 AM
04-18-2007, 09:09 AM
But mainly, I only dose once (either the Phera or SD).
I really only take one 30mg dbol PH after I work out,.. and that's only 1.5 hours later.
What I will try Thursdayis I will dose 10mg SD at 3:00pm, and then when I get home @ 5, I'll hit my dbol and another 10mg SD and see how I bounce then next day.
lol- It will be 6-8 weeks until I get this maximum effenciency/rebound balance down
04-19-2007, 09:52 PM
This looks great. I've been trying to get all the angles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were supposed to space out your doses of orals so that you body could replenish the enzymes you need to use them? That's a very simple way to put a good bit of info I think I kind of understood. Would dosing before and after workouts change this? And what about days you don't lift? Is spacing doses out needed then?
04-19-2007, 10:36 PM
good to see Dr. D posting again at full strength.
im still waiting on my monies to get straightened around, but ill hopefully be pulsing some EPI before i leave for college in late august / september, if something happens financially though i may wait untill im settled in at college before i start.
maybe to curb some repeat questions, different cycles should be posted in the first post of this thread, something like a "base" pulse cycle, and then maybe 1-2 other cycles with different supps added in that ive seen mentioned in here, that would be great.
no loading on CS then? i may only have to buy one jug of it now, lol.
04-20-2007, 12:45 AM
Started my pulse of SD/PP at 22.5/10 mg seemed to agree well with me. 15 mg of SD about 2:30pm followed by another 7.5mg right b4 8pm workout. Great 3 hours followed by post meal,shake, and 10mg PP and fell asleep like a champ. Glad I took most of the SD early as the stims had me going pretty good for a while. Any problem with splitting up the SD dosages like this?
04-20-2007, 01:40 AM
04-20-2007, 01:47 AM
04-20-2007, 09:15 AM
Honestly, I didn't feel anything when I dosed at Noon, nor did I at 5pm. (I still took my d-bol with the 5pm dose od SD)
I DID "feel" the effects when I took 20mg at one time before working out. .....for whatever that's worth
Anyways, about the time spacing using ph's...
I have the M14ADD (diol), 30mg caps. I beleive the conversion can be settled at 10%,.. am I robbing myself by taking my 3 caps (90mg) all at one time? ... I guess what I mean is,
DO I have enough conversion enzyme to process all that (Im sure I do though) at one time?
04-20-2007, 05:33 PM
04-20-2007, 10:38 PM
Hey Dr.D, I just caught up with this post. I like the idea here.
I'm late to the party and haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to contribute by saying I know Dr.D's idea here is worthy because that is how some potent immune suppressant drugs are dosed -- in pulses. Some are just taken once per week. It's considered an excellent way to avoid side effects yet still reap therapeutic effect.
Every so often I find someone who's either got a stash of M1T or has found a means of getting it. They are dead set on using it, despite having other things available. That said, I tell them to try dosing 2-3 times per week max. I honestly think with that monster you can take a single 5mg tab per week and get an appreciable and noteworthy effect without reaching that dog-**** state. I wish I still had some or I would try it myself.
04-20-2007, 11:28 PM
04-20-2007, 11:34 PM
04-21-2007, 11:09 PM
My Epi Pulse
I've been following this post for awhile and just started an Epistane pulse cycle last Tuesday. The pulse will go as follows:
Wk 1: (Tue: 10 mg/pre) (Thurs: 10 mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 20 mg/pre 10 mg/post)
Wk 2: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post
Wk 3: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post
Wk 4: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post
Wk 5: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post
Wk 6: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post
Wk 7: 30 mg/pre - 30mg/post
Wk 8: (Tues: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post) (Thurs: 20mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 10 mg/pre)
It has been about 1 1/2 years since my last cycle and I'm currently 5' 11'' 195 lbs @ 8-9% BF.
After reading through this threat I have a couple questions that have sorta been covered but, I want to confirm.
1) I'm working out 3x a week (Tue,Thurs,Sat) and for the first week I have been taking the preworkout dose around 1 hour before my workout. My workouts generally last 35-60 minutes and I have been taking the postworkout dose around 20 minutes after the workout. Dr D and anyone else who would like to comment: Do you think this dosing time period is ok or would you dose the pre earlier,post later,etc.....?
2) Also do you think the dosage(mg) amount combined with the length of the pulse ok?
I look forward to the feedback and welcome any suggestions.
04-21-2007, 11:57 PM
LKL, that looks well planned to me and I think you'll get a high efficiency gain. You may be able to improve that yield a bit by specific modifications of those parameters, but the way you have it now is a solid starting point for certain.
04-22-2007, 12:50 AM
This is a great tread. Thanks Dr. D.
I'm planning on doing an Epistane pulse cycle like LowKeyLifter. I've noticed some guys wanting to take a test booster on off days. My idea is to take IGF-2 from AppliedNutriceuticals on off days.
What do you think?
04-22-2007, 01:28 AM
04-22-2007, 02:09 AM
04-22-2007, 02:14 AM
04-22-2007, 09:41 PM
04-23-2007, 12:44 PM
04-23-2007, 03:47 PM
Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.
Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.
My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.
Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg
Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.
04-23-2007, 03:53 PM
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