How to "pulse" orals

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  1. are we all good in here, now? LOL


  2. LOL...I don't thing we were ever bad??

    Either way, my wife will spank me when appropriate.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Freak30 View Post
    Thanks Crunch, Thanks Dr.D.

    Ok, so I think I will do the 3 day a week pulse something like this.

    pp/superdrol

    wk1 10/10 10/10 20/10
    wk2 20/10
    wk3 30/10
    wk4 30/20
    wk5 40/20
    wk6 40/20
    wk7 40/20
    wk8 40/20
    wk9 & 10 torm (if needed)

    You suggest no liver supps, so no cycle support this run. Will include healthy oils, bcaa, dhea(off days). Would retain still be a good option after the cycle?

    Any input would be greatly appreciated, and thanks for the help.
    Interesting cycle. I have both pp and sd in the freezer. Have not usd pp, sd elevated my bp. I think a cycle like this my help bp issues dosing 3x/week. I would like to use the stuff I have stockpiled.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    just so people dont get confused - a superdrol pulse is almost assuredly suppressive. superdrol is too strong and its active life is too long for a pulse that aims to minimize suppression.

    i get that crunch is just going for safety and not trying to avoid shutdown (as he already is shut down), and that's perfectly cool. i just dont want to see any kids pulsing SD and not doing post cycle therapy. that's a recipe for problems.
    I will have to respectfully disagree, same_old. I have done plenty of SD without even pulsing it and never shut down that bad after 6wks even. The first time I did SD (10,20,30,40) and PCT'ed with fenugreek and DHEA and that's it! It's a mystery to me why some people shut down so hard on SD, it's actually one of the least suppressive and least androgenic compounds I've ever used. I would say it's perfect for a pulse, but something is going on with the SD clones these days. I must not be good material or something because real 2a,17a-DMDHT is quite kind. Then again, we are all different, but I still don't see why anyone but a very small percentage would have any shutdown with an SD pulse.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by sock View Post
    Interesting cycle. I have both pp and superdrol in the freezer. Have not usd pp, superdrol elevated my bp. I think a cycle like this my help bp issues dosing 3x/week. I would like to use the stuff I have stockpiled.
    I am in the same boat, I have several bottles of SD and a couple of PP and wanted to start using some of it before moving on to try something else. I am interested in the Havoc/Epistane, so plan on trying that later this year. The only thing about the pulse that concerns me, especially with SD/PP is skipping the liver supps.

    Dr. D maybe you could chime in on this again. Would it be ok to take CS on off days? Or is it really not an issue with the pulse?

    Thanks again,

  6. Hey Dr. D,

    First of all, thanks for the great info and taking the time to answer everybody's post!

    Is it possible and is there any value in pulsing MDHT (methyl rage) pre workout while on the NHA stack from DS? I have a couple of MDHT bottles sitting around.

    And, if so, what doseage? I am 36, 5'9" 160 ~12% BF. Lift 4 days per week. I want to recomp.

    Thanks! Great avatar by the way! ...Yahweh is His name!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I will have to respectfully disagree, same_old. I have done plenty of superdrol without even pulsing it and never shut down that bad after 6wks even. The first time I did SD (10,20,30,40) and post cycle therapy'ed with fenugreek and DHEA and that's it! It's a mystery to me why some people shut down so hard on SD, it's actually one of the least suppressive and least androgenic compounds I've ever used. I would say it's perfect for a pulse, but something is going on with the SD clones these days. I must not be good material or something because real 2a,17a-DMDHT is quite kind. Then again, we are all different, but I still don't see why anyone but a very small percentage would have any shutdown with an SD pulse.
    then we will have to agree to disagree...i am actually less concerned about SD's suppressiveness than its rather long active life, which most can attest to. something that stays active for so long doesnt strike me as the best thing to try and pulse.

    but i agree about the low androgenicity (not that suppressiveness has anything to do with that) - SD never gave me acne, aggression, itchy scalp, CNS stim or any impact to libido. it's quite remarkable considering its structure, too. it's just a pure, strong anabolic that's just laden with sides...most of them health-related, but fortunately you dont need to use it more than 3 weeks or so!

    did supersoldier or anyone else ever get a hormone panel done while on SD? i always assumed it was pretty suppressive, but i could be wrong (i still dont advocate it for a pulse, but if there's solid evidence for lack of shutdown, it would go a long way toward making a case for it)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by peece View Post
    CRUNCH, after you fall off your bicycle most guys seek a therapist to help work through the emotional trauma (it's all explained in the Oprah section of this forum) I hope this helps
    oh god,every time i see oprah's name i get sick to my stomache..... someone please 'OFF" oprah,i'll pay if i have to..
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Freak30 View Post
    I am in the same boat, I have several bottles of superdrol and a couple of PP and wanted to start using some of it before moving on to try something else. I am interested in the Havoc/Epistane, so plan on trying that later this year. The only thing about the pulse that concerns me, especially with SD/PP is skipping the liver supps.

    Dr. D maybe you could chime in on this again. Would it be ok to take CS on off days? Or is it really not an issue with the pulse?

    Thanks again,
    The CS is great stuff and you can't go wrong playing it safe. The lipid protection is still a good idea, but it's the liver support you really don't need. It may hurt the efficiency of a pulse to use it but it will not completely negate the results so if it makes you feel better use it.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I will have to respectfully disagree, same_old. I have done plenty of superdrol without even pulsing it and never shut down that bad after 6wks even. The first time I did SD (10,20,30,40) and post cycle therapy'ed with fenugreek and DHEA and that's it! It's a mystery to me why some people shut down so hard on SD, it's actually one of the least suppressive and least androgenic compounds I've ever used. I would say it's perfect for a pulse, but something is going on with the SD clones these days. I must not be good material or something because real 2a,17a-DMDHT is quite kind. Then again, we are all different, but I still don't see why anyone but a very small percentage would have any shutdown with an SD pulse.
    Hey D,what do you mean when you say,something is going on with the sd clones???
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thewilman View Post
    Hey Dr. D,

    First of all, thanks for the great info and taking the time to answer everybody's post!

    Is it possible and is there any value in pulsing MDHT (methyl rage) pre workout while on the NHA stack from DS? I have a couple of MDHT bottles sitting around.

    And, if so, what doseage? I am 36, 5'9" 160 ~12% BF. Lift 4 days per week. I want to recomp.

    Thanks! Great avatar by the way! ...Yahweh is His name!
    Well it's no problem my brotha, I'm honored to share what I have learned when I can. BTW, I like your sig and av too!

    I actually never tried MDHT, I was always scared of it (lol), but I have heard guys say they loved it at 50-100mg/d if that helps. PM BigPete maybe, I remember him talking about it a lot I think. It would probably pulse well combined with the NHA stack.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    then we will have to agree to disagree...i am actually less concerned about superdrol's suppressiveness than its rather long active life, which most can attest to. something that stays active for so long doesnt strike me as the best thing to try and pulse.

    but i agree about the low androgenicity (not that suppressiveness has anything to do with that) - SD never gave me acne, aggression, itchy scalp, CNS stim or any impact to libido. it's quite remarkable considering its structure, too. it's just a pure, strong anabolic that's just laden with sides...most of them health-related, but fortunately you dont need to use it more than 3 weeks or so!

    did supersoldier or anyone else ever get a hormone panel done while on SD? i always assumed it was pretty suppressive, but i could be wrong (i still dont advocate it for a pulse, but if there's solid evidence for lack of shutdown, it would go a long way toward making a case for it)
    OK, fair enough my friend!

    I am almost positive that SS did blood on it. I know he lost a lot of data when AM changed servers to the new format though and he's moved since then too and doesn't have it on his computer anymore either I'd bet. Too bad, but it wouldn't hurt to PM him and ask. Maybe bobo could resurrect those old files somehow if we asked him real nice like.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    Hey D,what do you mean when you say,something is going on with the superdrol clones???
    Well, it's just weird how people started getting so many sides toward the end of it's hay day. I mean, the whole delayed gyno thing and liver issues, it wasn't that bad at all in the beginning. I have to suspect that a lot of 'dirty' batches were getting encapsulated. I know I rejected lots of raw materials when I was active in it's testing back in the day, but I bet somebody bought them cheap and capped it anyway. Probably the very cheap clones out there for 20$ or less ya know, but that's only my theory because I know the compound well and none of the other hypothesis make sense to me (like the ATD connection or ER reregulation).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Well, it's just weird how people started getting so many sides toward the end of it's hay day. I mean, the whole delayed gyno thing and liver issues, it wasn't that bad at all in the beginning. I have to suspect that a lot of 'dirty' batches were getting encapsulated. I know I rejected lots of raw materials when I was active in it's testing back in the day, but I bet somebody bought them cheap and capped it anyway. Probably the very cheap clones out there for 20$ or less ya know, but that's only my theory because I know the compound well and none of the other hypothesis make sense to me (like the ATD connection or ER reregulation).
    there were reports of delayed gyno early on, also...buddy of mine actually had surgery to cut out the gyno he got that he blames on superdrol....he was in post cycle therapy after tren/Tprop, without a SERM and took superdrol, not realizing that it's a really effing strong steroid that is debatably progestinic...so yeah, taken properly a person will be fine, but get reckless and the delayed gyno is certainly possible.

    oh, and i dont see Bobo doing me any favors anytime soon

  15. hey Dr. D what do you think about using tribulus on off days?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    ... oh, and i dont see Bobo doing me any favors anytime soon
    Well he loves me extra super bunches these days! Tell him I sent you. (no, don't really that's a joke )

  17. Quote Originally Posted by TrnsferErr View Post
    hey Dr. D what do you think about using tribulus on off days?
    Another good idea! Why didn't I think of that? lol

    Really, that is probably a very effective insurance strategy. I have noticed using medium-high doses of fenugreek post-w/o to contribute to over-all lack of shutdown too, regardless if pulsing or not, and also contributes a desirable glycogenic effect post-w/o and right before bed (if you lift late like me.)

  18. A few more "Pulsing" questions

    1) The half life of certain AIs differ (ATD versus 6OXO), any benefits to taking one over the other on OFF days?

    2) Formestane a good OFF day AI?...or supressive in your eyes?

    2) What about taking a high % Tribulus on OFF days to avoid joint pain from an AI?...or perhaps throughout the entire cycle?....sorry noticed this was already answered above

    3) Would pulsing Methoxy TST with EPI be libido friendly?

    4) When coming to the end of a lengthy Pulse cycle....should you lower the dosages....say 30mgs of Epi then 20mg, then 10mg?

    5) Where should one squeeze in DHEA while pulsing?
  19. Question


    I'm really thinking an PP/epi stack would be a great pulse. Since PP is very adrogenic, and EPI would keep gyno under control.


    I workout M,W,F so I'll only be dosing three times a week.

    PP / EPI
    wk1 10,10,20
    wk2 20,
    wk3 20 - 20
    wk4 20 - 20
    wk5 20 - 20
    wk6 20 - 20
    wk8 20 - 20
    wk9 20 - 30
    wk10 10 - 30

    Any Suggestions?

  20. I have been playing around with a PP/Dbol (the ph) pulse the past few days. I just added the Phera last night at 15mg.
    I beleive that for the best results, something that aromatizes should be thrown in, or some Epi. If nothing else, I feel I don't have as huge an estro spike due to the est I have with the dbol,. in addition to my test levels tring to "match" the methyl-E2 (am Iright that this is how dbol increases LH initially?)
    Anyways, testing the waters here with dosing,..Started a few days ago with only 15mg dbol (75mg ph) the first 2 times, then yesterday added 15mg phera and plan to couple that with 30mg Phera next time I dose, .. see how that fairs with me. If I can "bounce back" the same way with 30mg phera/15mg dbol, I might go to 45 with Phera, but I'll need to see how recovery is with that. I don't see the bennifit in increaseing it if Im able to recover in a noticably faster period.

    So far, the next day I have definately noticed the "rebound"... and it feels like hormone levels (purely based on the amount of oily skin, acne, and freakn unstoppable wood).
    I might log this.... see what comes of it. I'm "logging" anyways, as I have been keeping records since the beginning of this year (thanx to my MFX log I ran )

    Anyways, I just wanted to put something out there, as there were a lot of questions/suggestions here and not really so much "active" feedback in application.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    A few more "Pulsing" questions

    1) The half life of certain AIs differ (ATD versus 6OXO), any benefits to taking one over the other on OFF days?

    2) Formestane a good OFF day AI?...or supressive in your eyes?

    2) What about taking a high % Tribulus on OFF days to avoid joint pain from an AI?...or perhaps throughout the entire cycle?....sorry noticed this was already answered above

    3) Would pulsing Methoxy TST with EPI be libido friendly?

    4) When coming to the end of a lengthy Pulse cycle....should you lower the dosages....say 30mgs of Epi then 20mg, then 10mg?

    5) Where should one squeeze in DHEA while pulsing?
    Bumping for possible comments from Dr.D

  22. Has anyone gone over a good pulsing method for Dianabol? I can get a decent idea myself but I'm clumsy. I don't want to rely on my own brain.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance View Post
    Has anyone gone over a good pulsing method for Dianabol? I can get a decent idea myself but I'm clumsy. I don't want to rely on my own brain.
    I have found (from what Im doing now) that I can pulse about 15-20mg on day 1 , then I do 5mg the next day, and day 3 I take off completely.
    I get a nice rebound when I only take 5mg in the afternoon,.. that occurs overnight, and wel into the next day.
    I dont seem to get the same effect id I take it more then once a day (so I dont dpread the doses out more then 1.5 hours.)

    I figure, I use the dbol on day 1 (with a designer oral,.. right now, PP- 30mg) all at once... then the next day, the 5mg dose works for cortasol supression,.. and it causes a really nice rebound effect also... of course,.. if I only used the dbol, I might not need the next day 5mg dose, but anything higher then 15mg dbol for whatever reason doesn't feel like I get the same rebound effect.
    throw an AI in there on day 2 and 3 and your golden.

    Of course, this is all based on my ability to bounce back as quickly as possible... while using the threashold amount of anabolics.
    The rebound is kinda crazy,... but definately nice

    -oh,.. and a stupid kinda "rule",.. I can't have sex or smack it on day 2 either...
    (It allows for my test level to get slightyl elevated,.. and I wouldnt want any extra aromatase)
    -Im about to move this rule to day 3, and make it mandatory for day 2 to test something... casue I think my rebound on day 2 causes some supression becasue day 3 is a little low... so Im gonna see if I cant somehow lower test some and see how I make out -lol
    ok, ok ,.. look, I thought of this last part while ....
    Thats just the kinda guy I am,.. I like to try new ideas,.. even if they seem totally nuts

  24. Learned alot since I started reading threads daily back in January, Great stuff. (PP/Superdrol Clones) How's this pulse w/o 5 days wk. Pulsing 3 days-M W F on (Phera Vol&M-Drol).
    Wk1 15/10 15/10 22.5/10
    Wk2 22.5/15 22.5/15 30/15
    Wk3 30/20 30/20 30/20
    Wk4 30/20 40/20 40/20
    Taken throughout cycle with 30 grams of BCAAS, 9 G Glutamine, 5 g Creatine, 2 Multivitamins daily, 1500mg Vit C, 1 serving Cycle Support daily, Whey Protein Shakes b4 bed, and 1000 MG of Trib starting the last week followed by another week at 1500 mg daily? (Also a bottle of Novedex XT nearby just in case)? Also would it be worthwhile to take NOS actually 6,000 - 12,000 mg of L-Arginine during the first two weeks?

    Been lifting for about 3 years at least 5 times occassionally 6 times a week. This would be my first stack 5'9" 176 lbs, bf 11%. Expected caloric intake 4500 ratios of 50% protein 30% carbs 20% fat. Or do I need more like 40% carbs? Realistic Goals: expect strength increase by at least10% overall and some decent size gains. I do not want to retain too much water or get overly fat, with that being said should I then just forgo the creatine all together? After I bulk I plan to cut by working out 5-6 week followed by cardio at least 3 times per week after full recovery.
    Last edited by Nogrinia; 04-14-2007 at 11:14 PM. Reason: additional specs inserted
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