How to "pulse" orals

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by esko71 View Post
    great thread Dr. D I am all about the conservative approach to cycling and i love reading about the different options. i've tried a few short cycles which i always felt great coming off but never tried pulsing. think i'ma give H-Drol a wack at it with 50 mg's preworkout 25 mg's post workout 3 days a week. if this threads still alive in a month or two i'll let yall know how it went.
    I'm pretty sure halodrol would be a poor choice to pulse..due to the fact even when you take it daily it takes like 3 weeks to show benefit...slow steady gains are what halodrol is all about....i'm sure our buddy Dr.D,could shead more light on this subject....
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2


  2. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    I'm pretty sure halodrol would be a poor choice to pulse..due to the fact even when you take it daily it takes like 3 weeks to show benefit...slow steady gains are what halodrol is all about....i'm sure our buddy Dr.D,could shead more light on this subject....
    What about haloTESTIn

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    I work out 4 days/wk and dose on three of them, non consecutive days.

    You could do it every other day, thereby the days you dose on would change from week to week. Just an idea...
    So basically if you just take dbol before 2-3 workouts a week, you'll still get the strength gains for those particular workouts? And I assume taking 10mg nolva when you take each dose would be wise also.

    I've been trying to find out about how dbol works and can't really figure out if its like an immediate strength increase, or builds over time like test (obviously a much shorter amount of time though)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by dsw222 View Post
    So basically if you just take dbol before 2-3 workouts a week, you'll still get the strength gains for those particular workouts? And I assume taking 10mg nolva when you take each dose would be wise also.

    I've been trying to find out about how dbol works and can't really figure out if its like an immediate strength increase, or builds over time like test (obviously a much shorter amount of time though)
    lol. dbol is quite immediate. Definitely one of the faster working compounds.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    lol. dbol is quite immediate. Definitely one of the faster working compounds.
    I think i worded my questions a bit weird...

    When you say quite immediate, do you mean it will be like "take 25mg and your bench shoots up 10 pounds"?

    Or more along the lines of "after a few weeks of pulsing 2-3x a week, you will be able to lift 10 more pounds"?

    I'm trying to figure out cost vs results
    (college student = dont have tons of cash to throw around to test all these different methods)

  6. Agreed about the dbol. What I'm hoping for with the superdrol "pulse" is to slow down those immediate strength gains. I went up so fast last time, I was worried about blowing a tendon. So rather than doing it for 3 weeks, I'll stretch it out to 6.

    dsw...you'd run the dbol for a longer cycle and higher typical dose per day than you'd normally do with a regular daily dose program of orals. I'm regurgitating what Dr D has explained here so far. You won't necessarily notice the dbol the day you take it, but over time.

    As for the nolva, can't hurt. I'm running cycle support with my SD pulse. Cholesterol has never been a problem, but liver and blood pressure has been. So I'm just being safe.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dsw222 View Post

    When you say quite immediate, do you mean it will be like "take 25mg and your bench shoots up 10 pounds"?
    That's not dbol, that's meth!! LOL

    No, you wouldn't notice the dbol that fast, maybe after a week or two.
    Last edited by yeahright; 03-31-2007 at 12:20 AM.

  8. What would be "higher then normal" dosing?

    I have some of the dbol ph, and can pulse that, but Im wondering at what dose would it be pointless?

    If I ran 50mg (ph remember... so like maybe 10mg dbol?)

    I guess Im just not wanting to go around bloated the nentire time, but I dont want to take somethin and not have it work ya know,

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    I'm pretty sure halodrol would be a poor choice to pulse..due to the fact even when you take it daily it takes like 3 weeks to show benefit...slow steady gains are what halodrol is all about....i'm sure our buddy Dr.D,could shead more light on this subject....
    Dr. D--
    Just tryin to raise this one question again as Im getting ready to run the original batch of halodro/Prostanazol and was wondering if pulsing this would be a waste or not??

  10. Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    Agreed about the dbol. What I'm hoping for with the superdrol "pulse" is to slow down those immediate strength gains. I went up so fast last time, I was worried about blowing a tendon. So rather than doing it for 3 weeks, I'll stretch it out to 6.

    dsw...you'd run the dbol for a longer cycle and higher typical dose per day than you'd normally do with a regular daily dose program of orals. I'm regurgitating what Dr D has explained here so far. You won't necessarily notice the dbol the day you take it, but over time.

    As for the nolva, can't hurt. I'm running cycle support with my superdrol pulse. Cholesterol has never been a problem, but liver and blood pressure has been. So I'm just being safe.

    Are you sure that is what Dr D said to do is up the weekly amount you take when pulsing?


    CROWLER
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    Are you sure that is what Dr D said to do is up the weekly amount you take when pulsing?


    CROWLER
    Pretty sure. The daily amount when pulsing would be higher that if you were doing it every day. But the total in a week when pulsing would still be lower than the total when dosing daily.

    Unless I'm completely screwed-up, I thought that's how I read it.

    Edit: The daily amount is higher, not the weekly amount CROWLER. I just re-read your post.
    Last edited by CRUNCH; 03-30-2007 at 08:04 PM. Reason: .

  12. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    What would be "higher then normal" dosing?

    I have some of the dbol ph, and can pulse that, but Im wondering at what dose would it be pointless?

    If I ran 50mg (ph remember... so like maybe 10mg dbol?)

    I guess Im just not wanting to go around bloated the nentire time, but I dont want to take somethin and not have it work ya know,
    d bol ph???? what is that
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    Are you sure that is what Dr D said to do is up the weekly amount you take when pulsing?


    CROWLER
    Instead of taking 20-30 per day, you take 30-40 or even 50mg 3x or 4x per week.....

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    d bol ph???? what is that
    m1,4add, still legal actually

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dsw222 View Post
    I think i worded my questions a bit weird...

    When you say quite immediate, do you mean it will be like "take 25mg and your bench shoots up 10 pounds"?

    Or more along the lines of "after a few weeks of pulsing 2-3x a week, you will be able to lift 10 more pounds"?

    I'm trying to figure out cost vs results
    (college student = dont have tons of cash to throw around to test all these different methods)
    If you think any steroid will make your bench shoot up overnight, you aren't ready for steroids. Dbol is one of the fastest acting compounds there is, 7-10days to notice effects in most people. Also, dbol is VERY cheap. We can't discuss prices, but its one of the cheapest things there is, only test is cheaper. Maybe you should look into other options at this point in your life otherwise, you might be disappointed at your results and feel it was a "waste" of money to only get 20lbs on your bench in 4 weeks.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    m1,4add, still legal actually
    Somebody verify the accuracy of this statement for me.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    Somebody verify the accuracy of this statement for me.
    Ya please do....
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  18. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    Somebody verify the accuracy of this statement for me.
    Its legal, but the price isnt too great if you buy the capped version. Ive seen some logs with quality results in the last few months with it, so it seems to be legit. CEL makes it, I believe.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by ugab37 View Post
    Its legal, but the price isnt too great if you buy the capped version. Ive seen some logs with quality results in the last few months with it, so it seems to be legit. CEL makes it, I believe.
    I thought just the non methyl was still for sale.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    I thought just the non methyl was still for sale.
    both are. Competitive Edge Labs M1,4add is what your looking for. Its pretty cheap now. 30mg per cap.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Freak30 View Post
    Hey D, sorry to bring this one back up, but I currently work out 5X a week, and did not see an answer for dosing 3X a week and working out 5X a week. Any issues with that? I am starting pp/superdrol Monday, and may do the pulse instead if there is no issue with just dosing on three out of 5 workout days.

    Thanks
    I can't suggest it dosing more than 4 days a wk, because it probably won't work that well at preventing deeper shutdown over 4-8wks, but lift as often as you want for sure. Dose on the days you need best recovery.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    I'm pretty sure halodrol would be a poor choice to pulse..due to the fact even when you take it daily it takes like 3 weeks to show benefit...slow steady gains are what halodrol is all about....i'm sure our buddy Dr.D,could shead more light on this subject....
    Actually, I'm just not sure. I have never tried Halodrol and always hear mixed reviews about it so I'm not the guy to ask.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by ShapeUP View Post
    What about haloTESTIn

    Not bad actually as far as results! Good density, hardness and strength with amazingly little shutdown, but 30-40mg max. 40mg is just really pushing it with that one. You just feel like so depersonalized on it usually. 20-30mg/d max if you aren't pulsing and keeping it to a month or less is smart.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    What would be "higher then normal" dosing?

    I have some of the dbol ph, and can pulse that, but Im wondering at what dose would it be pointless?

    If I ran 50mg (ph remember... so like maybe 10mg dbol?)

    I guess Im just not wanting to go around bloated the nentire time, but I dont want to take somethin and not have it work ya know,
    Are you talking about the M14? I'd say about 60mg. It was not bad on bloat as I remember. Cleaner than dbol but only 50-60% as strong.

  25. Thanks Crunch, Thanks Dr.D.

    Ok, so I think I will do the 3 day a week pulse something like this.

    pp/sd

    wk1 10/10 10/10 20/10
    wk2 20/10
    wk3 30/10
    wk4 30/20
    wk5 40/20
    wk6 40/20
    wk7 40/20
    wk8 40/20
    wk9 & 10 torm (if needed)

    You suggest no liver supps, so no cycle support this run. Will include healthy oils, bcaa, dhea(off days). Would retain still be a good option after the cycle?

    Any input would be greatly appreciated, and thanks for the help.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Freak30 View Post
    Thanks Crunch, Thanks Dr.D.

    Ok, so I think I will do the 3 day a week pulse something like this.

    pp/superdrol

    wk1 10/10 10/10 20/10
    wk2 20/10
    wk3 30/10
    wk4 30/20
    wk5 40/20
    wk6 40/20
    wk7 40/20
    wk8 40/20
    wk9 & 10 torm (if needed)

    You suggest no liver supps, so no cycle support this run. Will include healthy oils, bcaa, dhea(off days). Would retain still be a good option after the cycle?

    Any input would be greatly appreciated, and thanks for the help.
    All the credit belongs to Dr D!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    both are. Competitive Edge Labs M1,4add is what your looking for. Its pretty cheap now. 30mg per cap.
    It was going for $26 for 60 caps @ 30mg and it is methylated. Out of stock at the moment I believe, on email wait lists and have not received any info yet.

  28. have many people pulsed EPI or Havoc yet?

    im wondering if you still get the gyno reductions people were talking about with EPI (and havoc as well i assume, since theyre the same).

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Minus83 View Post
    ... have many people pulsed EPI ... im wondering if you still get the gyno reductions people were talking about ...
    The results are not as punctuated I've heard, but yes it still works for gyno when pulsing. If you are applying this to a comprehensive gyno attack plan then using 30mg daily for not less than a month is the optimal protocol it seems for the fastest reduction.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    d bol ph???? what is that
    M14ADD. never got banned.
  

  
 

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