How to "pulse" orals
- 04-04-2007, 10:56 AM
- 04-04-2007, 10:58 AM
- 04-04-2007, 11:00 AM
04-05-2007, 06:09 PM
04-06-2007, 12:26 AM
04-06-2007, 07:13 AM
Dr. D maybe you could chime in on this again. Would it be ok to take CS on off days? Or is it really not an issue with the pulse?
04-06-2007, 11:31 AM
Hey Dr. D,
First of all, thanks for the great info and taking the time to answer everybody's post!
Is it possible and is there any value in pulsing MDHT (methyl rage) pre workout while on the NHA stack from DS? I have a couple of MDHT bottles sitting around.
And, if so, what doseage? I am 36, 5'9" 160 ~12% BF. Lift 4 days per week. I want to recomp.
Thanks! Great avatar by the way! ...Yahweh is His name!
04-06-2007, 09:44 PM
but i agree about the low androgenicity (not that suppressiveness has anything to do with that) - SD never gave me acne, aggression, itchy scalp, CNS stim or any impact to libido. it's quite remarkable considering its structure, too. it's just a pure, strong anabolic that's just laden with sides...most of them health-related, but fortunately you dont need to use it more than 3 weeks or so!
did supersoldier or anyone else ever get a hormone panel done while on SD? i always assumed it was pretty suppressive, but i could be wrong (i still dont advocate it for a pulse, but if there's solid evidence for lack of shutdown, it would go a long way toward making a case for it)
04-06-2007, 10:28 PM
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04-07-2007, 05:01 PM
04-07-2007, 05:07 PM
04-07-2007, 05:08 PM
I actually never tried MDHT, I was always scared of it (lol), but I have heard guys say they loved it at 50-100mg/d if that helps. PM BigPete maybe, I remember him talking about it a lot I think. It would probably pulse well combined with the NHA stack.
04-07-2007, 05:13 PM
I am almost positive that SS did blood on it. I know he lost a lot of data when AM changed servers to the new format though and he's moved since then too and doesn't have it on his computer anymore either I'd bet. Too bad, but it wouldn't hurt to PM him and ask. Maybe bobo could resurrect those old files somehow if we asked him real nice like.
04-07-2007, 05:19 PM
04-07-2007, 06:44 PM
oh, and i dont see Bobo doing me any favors anytime soon
04-08-2007, 04:46 PM
04-09-2007, 03:12 AM
04-09-2007, 03:16 AM
Really, that is probably a very effective insurance strategy. I have noticed using medium-high doses of fenugreek post-w/o to contribute to over-all lack of shutdown too, regardless if pulsing or not, and also contributes a desirable glycogenic effect post-w/o and right before bed (if you lift late like me.)
04-09-2007, 08:49 PM
A few more "Pulsing" questions
1) The half life of certain AIs differ (ATD versus 6OXO), any benefits to taking one over the other on OFF days?
2) Formestane a good OFF day AI?...or supressive in your eyes?
2) What about taking a high % Tribulus on OFF days to avoid joint pain from an AI?...or perhaps throughout the entire cycle?....sorry noticed this was already answered above
3) Would pulsing Methoxy TST with EPI be libido friendly?
4) When coming to the end of a lengthy Pulse cycle....should you lower the dosages....say 30mgs of Epi then 20mg, then 10mg?
5) Where should one squeeze in DHEA while pulsing?
04-09-2007, 11:31 PM
I'm really thinking an PP/epi stack would be a great pulse. Since PP is very adrogenic, and EPI would keep gyno under control.
I workout M,W,F so I'll only be dosing three times a week.
PP / EPI
wk3 20 - 20
wk4 20 - 20
wk5 20 - 20
wk6 20 - 20
wk8 20 - 20
wk9 20 - 30
wk10 10 - 30
04-10-2007, 09:07 AM
I have been playing around with a PP/Dbol (the ph) pulse the past few days. I just added the Phera last night at 15mg.
I beleive that for the best results, something that aromatizes should be thrown in, or some Epi. If nothing else, I feel I don't have as huge an estro spike due to the est I have with the dbol,. in addition to my test levels tring to "match" the methyl-E2 (am Iright that this is how dbol increases LH initially?)
Anyways, testing the waters here with dosing,..Started a few days ago with only 15mg dbol (75mg ph) the first 2 times, then yesterday added 15mg phera and plan to couple that with 30mg Phera next time I dose, .. see how that fairs with me. If I can "bounce back" the same way with 30mg phera/15mg dbol, I might go to 45 with Phera, but I'll need to see how recovery is with that. I don't see the bennifit in increaseing it if Im able to recover in a noticably faster period.
So far, the next day I have definately noticed the "rebound"... and it feels like hormone levels (purely based on the amount of oily skin, acne, and freakn unstoppable wood).
I might log this.... see what comes of it. I'm "logging" anyways, as I have been keeping records since the beginning of this year (thanx to my MFX log I ran )
Anyways, I just wanted to put something out there, as there were a lot of questions/suggestions here and not really so much "active" feedback in application.
04-12-2007, 07:31 PM
04-12-2007, 08:46 PM
Has anyone gone over a good pulsing method for Dianabol? I can get a decent idea myself but I'm clumsy. I don't want to rely on my own brain.
04-13-2007, 07:29 PM
I get a nice rebound when I only take 5mg in the afternoon,.. that occurs overnight, and wel into the next day.
I dont seem to get the same effect id I take it more then once a day (so I dont dpread the doses out more then 1.5 hours.)
I figure, I use the dbol on day 1 (with a designer oral,.. right now, PP- 30mg) all at once... then the next day, the 5mg dose works for cortasol supression,.. and it causes a really nice rebound effect also... of course,.. if I only used the dbol, I might not need the next day 5mg dose, but anything higher then 15mg dbol for whatever reason doesn't feel like I get the same rebound effect.
throw an AI in there on day 2 and 3 and your golden.
Of course, this is all based on my ability to bounce back as quickly as possible... while using the threashold amount of anabolics.
The rebound is kinda crazy,... but definately nice
-oh,.. and a stupid kinda "rule",.. I can't have sex or smack it on day 2 either...
(It allows for my test level to get slightyl elevated,.. and I wouldnt want any extra aromatase)
-Im about to move this rule to day 3, and make it mandatory for day 2 to test something... casue I think my rebound on day 2 causes some supression becasue day 3 is a little low... so Im gonna see if I cant somehow lower test some and see how I make out -lol
ok, ok ,.. look, I thought of this last part while ....
Thats just the kinda guy I am,.. I like to try new ideas,.. even if they seem totally nuts
04-14-2007, 10:45 PM
Learned alot since I started reading threads daily back in January, Great stuff. (PP/Superdrol Clones) How's this pulse w/o 5 days wk. Pulsing 3 days-M W F on (Phera Vol&M-Drol).
Wk1 15/10 15/10 22.5/10
Wk2 22.5/15 22.5/15 30/15
Wk3 30/20 30/20 30/20
Wk4 30/20 40/20 40/20
Taken throughout cycle with 30 grams of BCAAS, 9 G Glutamine, 5 g Creatine, 2 Multivitamins daily, 1500mg Vit C, 1 serving Cycle Support daily, Whey Protein Shakes b4 bed, and 1000 MG of Trib starting the last week followed by another week at 1500 mg daily? (Also a bottle of Novedex XT nearby just in case)? Also would it be worthwhile to take NOS actually 6,000 - 12,000 mg of L-Arginine during the first two weeks?
Been lifting for about 3 years at least 5 times occassionally 6 times a week. This would be my first stack 5'9" 176 lbs, bf 11%. Expected caloric intake 4500 ratios of 50% protein 30% carbs 20% fat. Or do I need more like 40% carbs? Realistic Goals: expect strength increase by at least10% overall and some decent size gains. I do not want to retain too much water or get overly fat, with that being said should I then just forgo the creatine all together? After I bulk I plan to cut by working out 5-6 week followed by cardio at least 3 times per week after full recovery.
Last edited by Nogrinia; 04-14-2007 at 11:14 PM. Reason: additional specs inserted
04-14-2007, 11:07 PM
2- No! It's a good test stim. Off days would be perfect for it. I would take the whole dose at night actually.
2- Hey! There are two 2's (lol). Yeah, trib daily is fine, but just like fenugreek it should be ramped up weekly and cycled every moth (4wks on/2wks off) to keep it fresh.
3- I suspect it would, but am still not exactly sure what to think of TST. Some guys swear by it, but most don't like it.
4- Yes, pyramids are perfect, but just like you said, you can come down very fast from a pulse, like 30mg to 10mg in 1 wk.
5- If you wanna use it, use it on off days at least, morning and early after noon (25-100mg each time depending on how you react to DHEA).
04-14-2007, 11:10 PM
04-14-2007, 11:13 PM
So when you pulse. Do you do EOD for 2 weeks then 2 weeks of. Or just pulse continually for up to 8 weeks??
2on/2off should give no shutdown and results i would assume
04-14-2007, 11:15 PM
04-14-2007, 11:19 PM
04-14-2007, 11:25 PM
It's soooo nice to keep your balls around, and the gains are still surprisingly impressive. You can even have a beer or two watching the game on the weekend because your liver isn't working overtime either.
04-14-2007, 11:31 PM
04-14-2007, 11:38 PM
I do normally suggest 3x/wk for 6-8 wks straight though or 4x/wk for 4-6 wks straight. These are only guide lines and you will have to experiment a bit to find what works best at just the right doses and times.
04-14-2007, 11:43 PM
Once epi clears....EPI/HALO pulse idea...)
But here is what I was asking
WK1...EPI @ 10,20,30 / Halo (clone) @ 50,50,50
WK2...EPI @ 40x3 / Halo @ 50,50,50
WK3...Halo @ 100x3
WK4...Halo @ 100x3
WK5...EPI @ 40x3 / Halo @ 100x3
WK6...EPI @ 40x3 / Halo @ 100x3
WK7...EPI @ 40x3
WK8...EPI @ 40x3
WK9...EPI @ 40x3
Dosages taken on Monday, Wednesday and Friday
Can add a WK10 of EPI @ 40x3 and finish exactly one bottle or can cut off WK9 to keep the cycle @ 8 weeks.
EPI = 78 tabs @ 10mg each (90 tabs if WK10 is ran)
Halo = 30 tabs @ 50mg each
I know they are both methlys but running the pulse should help with this from what I understand. I've even thought about running ATD @ 25mgs a couple of days a week...maybe Tuesday and Thursday.
Calories will be about 500 - 700 above maintenance for a slow clean bulk.
Please critique and advise, I value most folks opinions here. I want to start (when the whole EPI thing clears) May 5th and can offer weekly updates along the way with a closing cycle report.
All support supps on hand starting next week AND all post cycle therapy on hand (Nolva, Activate, Rebounded Reloaded, Reduce Xt or Retain) if needed.
If I am way off please offer some cycle suggestions with what you see here (one bottle of each designer) for a pulse. I have ran the Halo before but this is my first run with EPI...
04-15-2007, 12:36 AM
Thanks for the words of encouragement and assessment of my proposal. I will stick with creatine post w/o for 5 mg and 10 mgs off days at first and continue to suck down glutamine pre workout. Thanks again and I definitely look forward to getting this stack started, I was speaking with my brother earlier this evening. He and a few of the guys he rowed with in college 15 years ago supposedly used to this with some "true gear" with no real adverse affects-bacne, shrinkage, et al. He said they never really did any type of support cycle like thistle and he some type of powder...(Inositol? who knows) My point in bringing this up though is how necessary or should I ask, how highly advisable is it to purchase Cycle support if I am going to pulse at the aforementioned levels? I have not made any purchases yet but after he mentioned that to me I figured I would run it by you all. Thanks again
04-15-2007, 03:29 PM
I gotta get a hold of AI and design him a Pulsing Cycle Support formula! It would skip the liver stuff you don't need but include some extra test boosters to discourage shutdown. That would be awesome and take most of the guess work out of pulsing ancillaries for sure.
04-15-2007, 04:00 PM
Dr. D, what would you consider for time off between pulse cycles? I usually go 4 months off for a one month cycle + 1month pct. Did you pulse anything back to back, and if so, how much time did you take off b/t if you did? I don't recall seeing this in this thread (I read it early last week). Thanks in advance.
04-15-2007, 07:52 PM
04-15-2007, 09:15 PM
04-16-2007, 11:59 AM
Now, if you're on 3-4 days per wk (x = 3 or 4) the original equation is modified to this:
Toff = [Ton (X/7)] 2
Of course, the new equation does not account for PCT since you are pulsing. So if you do an 8wk pulse dosing @ 3x/wk, time off = 6 weeks and 6 days, so ~ 7wks. This is twice as much off time as is needed IMO, but I definitely like your methodology.
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