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    Quote Originally Posted by getreal View Post
    WTF? He said taking the same amounts at less intervals would be less toxic than taking the same amounts at more intervals throughout the day. Come on now shape up and get real!

    I guess you'll have to confirm this with him, but this is what I read.

    YOU : bad idea! too much instability in blood levels,

    ASPIRE : I can personally state that blood levels aren't all that important. When I use dbol, I take it once in the morning. This is out of convenience, not "less shutdown." Occasionally I get an upset stomach, thats the only difference than when I used to spread it out through the day.

    YOU: does not make it any less toxic to the liver,

    ASPIRE : It is less toxic to the liver do to giving it time off from processing these compounds. Liver regenerates very quickly if given the opportunity to do so.

    YOU: theres even a dosage in there of 60mg's THEN you make a point of a possibility of no post cycle therapy

    ASPIRE : Arnold didn't use post cycle therapy. Many people have never even heard of it, so it isn't entirely required. It just helps, but .......if you read everything in this thread Dr.D explains the androgen jump on days off.(right here he is summing up what you need to do)

    YOU:You even try calculating that you would be worse off by 4lbs, the body don't work like that.

    ASPIRE: Finally, read more, talk less. No one is forcing you to try it either. If you don't like it don't do it](once again, this is what you should do, at least understand the IDEA, behind this before attacking it)


    See how he was addressing your dismissals of this method one at a time??

    He never says "taking the same amounts at less intervals would be less toxic than taking the same amounts at more intervals throughout the day" as you claim.


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    ShapeUp read it correctly, I was addressing each of your statements one at a time. You saw what you wanted to see. You seem to have a bone to pick or just like to start fights. I'm not sure what your problem is, but if you don't like this idea and have nothing valuable to contribute, then leave the way you came.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmuls View Post
    Dr. D

    If I were to use Mass FX as a bridge, would I have to worry about running an AI as well?

    Using Epistane as the example of an 8 week pulse cycle, followed by 1 week, max of 2 weeks of a SERM (as a precautionary measure), how long should the bridge to starting another pulse cycle last?
    I would say about 6-8wks. May as well milk the bridge for all you can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireproof View Post
    Dr. D - your patience with all the questions is much appreciated.

    A few others if you don't mind:

    1. What dosing would you recommend for a Pulsing of Superdrol at a 4x/week pulse. I see the example of 3x/week above, but not 4, and am curious as to what you would recommend. My split is upper, lower, off, upper, off, lower, off, repeat.

    2. If one already has Cycle Support, how would you recommend incorporating it? Or should it be saved for a straight cycle.

    3. On a pulse cycle of superdrol, how much of a break would you recommend before doing it again. (Apologies if I missed that advice already).

    Thanks in advance.

    P.S. nice scripture reference.
    1. 20,20,0,20,0,20,0 (If you are a big guy, 30mg)

    2. You could take it a few hours prior to dosing, but I would avoid it in a pulse for the most part unless doses are higher, like 30-40mg SD. 40 was always too much for me though. Always take CS with a SERM!

    3. As a rule of thumb, time off equals time on, so 8 wks pulse equals 4 wks off, minimum.

    Anytime Fireproof! God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darius View Post
    Dr. D, what do you think about running Epi, 40mg, for 8 weeks without pulsing? I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere else at some time, but if you could post an answer here, I'd appreciate it.
    I don't have bloodwork to cover 40mg past 6wks, but have used 45mg up to 8 with no probs. It's been great for me. Pissy Crappy Time was still a breeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    Hey Doc,..

    So All this talk with pulsing, and what's fine to do... I have a few things I would like to run by you, if not for reference now, then for down the road...

    First;
    Methyl vs. non-methyl...
    There are always "better ways of doing things", as it has been mentioned that methyls would be better for this purpose, but for me, there are a few nonmethyl choices I have in stock.. What different approach in dosing time and/or dose should one follow? Would it be simular to what one would take say durring week 3 of what would be a :normal" cycle? Or would a higher dose be recommended?
    Before/after workout still apply? (and I mean quite litterally, so there might be an hour and a half between doses)
    Without bluring lines just yet, some of these choices would be (for me):
    LMG, TST, Fini,....

    Second;
    As far as designers go...
    What would you NOT recomend using?
    I might see TST as being quite pointless for a pulse application, but I do not know about LMG, Finiplex and whatever else Im missing..

    Third;
    IF non-methyls were used,.. could one perhaps do a before/after W/O dose daily? My reasoning would be since the compound is in your system for less time, perhaps you could do this, say, around 6pm/8pm...
    And IF every day is a viable option, how would this effect dosing?

    I have a few bottles of LMG, and some Fini left, that I may consider using in this fassion.... but wouldn't want to use it if it would be better applied in another way.

    Thanks!
    1) Methyl have just long enough of a half life to work great like this (app. 6hrs generally). Sorry to confuse, ethers would likely work well too, haven't tried personally though. Real non-methyls (free alcohols or ketos) are to fast acting. They will still work on a pulse, but there is no room for error in the timing of food and dosing or else efficiency goes down. They will work though, sorry if I was unclear, just not perfectly suited for this. Everything else would apply about the same.

    2) I think anything that you can dose high without toxicity would be a fair option. For example, most couldn't take 40mg of SD (makes you too moody and tired at that dose) but could take 40+ mg of epi. See what I mean? It's not so much what I wouldn't do, it's just that some are extra well suited for pulsing over others.

    3) I tried that back in the day! With 4ad, but I still started to shutdown at some point. Maybe one small dose would be alright, but 2 good size doses, no go for me at least. I did have some luck pulsing non-orals in 3 total doses, pre-w/o and immediately post-w/o like normal, then about 1-1.5 hours again later after that. The higher dose is taken after the w/o as opposed to before like with the methyls. The shift in dose priority is a reflection of the shorter half-life. This did work almost as well as methyls, but I was trying not to confuse everyone at first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getreal View Post
    bad idea! too much instability in blood levels, does not make it any less toxic to the liver, theres even a dosage in there of 60mg's THEN you make a point of a possibility of no post cycle therapy. You even try calculating that you would be worse off by 4lbs, the body don't work like that.
    You're right man, I am actually totally new to all this. I was just kind of guessing, you got me! NOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    This might sound like an amaturish question, but it seems most peopl will claim they pulsed dbol, as opposed t oother orals.. Aside from all the bennifits that compound brings, is there a reason it is used seemingly more (when pulsed) then others, or becasue it's just the more popular oral?...(I have read the thread about dbol as a "supplement"... )
    It's a mild AI, so it boosts LH levels in the beginning before androgen suppression kicks in from accumulation of it's dirtier metabolites. Since it takes longer for suppression to start, pulsing really punctuates that favorable quality and you get all the good with very little bad. That is my theory, or it may be something totally different, but it is a better than average pulsing choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    I say go for it. My brother (real brother, not internet bro ) is just finishing up 8 weeks. He went from 20mg week 1 to 30mg week 2, to 40mg weeks 3-8. Dr. D recommended the 20,30,40,40 and the up to 8 weeks part was a SS original. My bloodwork on Epi showed it to be very mild on the liver compared to M1t and even superdrol.
    You went up to 8 MONTHS one time didn't you! (j/k) You do hold the record though I bet. lol

    I posted our epi bloodwork somewhere around here.
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    Interesting post, I had thought about this very thing a few months ago but never posted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    You're right man, I am actually totally new to all this. I was just kind of guessing, you got me! NOT
    Rumor has that Dr D is just some 15 yr old high school kid making all this stuff up to see if we'll do it.

    That's what I heard anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    You went up to 8 MONTHS one time didn't you! (j/k) You do hold the record though I bet. lol

    I posted our epi bloodwork somewhere around here.
    Actually... it was 10 months But it wasn't 10 months of straight oral usage. There were a few weeks between orals here and there.

    I do beleive you have me beat as far as any cycle length records go though.
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    doctor d is giving out dangerous advice, I wonder what the d is for ? hehe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by getreal View Post
    doctor d is giving out dangerous advice, I wonder what the d is for ? hehe!
    Thank god you showed up or all of us pharmacologists/biochemists could have been in real trouble. They've gotten really lax when it comes to banning people.
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    Could the same theory be applied to esterless injectables as well? Say 10mg test pre and 10 mg post workout for 6 weeks, ATD on off days, for 6 weeks, no pct???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrizzle385 View Post
    Could the same theory be applied to esterless injectables as well? Say 10mg test pre and 10 mg post workout for 6 weeks, ATD on off days, for 6 weeks, no post cycle therapy???
    Never tried, but I think yes. Especially low volume depos like that (10mg). Not trans though.
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    Hey D, what about subbing my form/activate bridge with MassFX/6-OXO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    1. 20,20,0,20,0,20,0 (If you are a big guy, 30mg)

    2. You could take it a few hours prior to dosing, but I would avoid it in a pulse for the most part unless doses are higher, like 30-40mg superdrol. 40 was always too much for me though. Always take CS with a SERM!

    3. As a rule of thumb, time off equals time on, so 8 wks pulse equals 4 wks off, minimum.

    Anytime Fireproof! God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Hey D, what about subbing my form/activate bridge with MassFX/6-OXO?
    I think those are both effective combos, especially for PCT, but form/MassFx would be the best possible combo of those 4 products for a bridge IMO.
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    Is there any reason why anavar @ 40mg would be a poor choice for pulsing? To boost power before sprint speed workouts thru its PCr synthesis action, is the idea. I do wonder if this would be more suppressive (even tho its not very suppressive in itself) than 20mg ED.
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    Question dr.d i need ur advice =p


    hey DR.D, i got a quick question

    my workout plan/pulse is set up like this

    i take my orals only on w/o days

    week 1
    day 1 workout
    day 2 workout
    day 3 rest
    day 4 workout
    day 5 workout
    day 6 rest
    day 7 rest

    week 2
    same as week 1 but no orals

    repeat


    ok so,
    anyway lets assume i done this 1 week on/ 1 week off method

    how many weeks could i max possibly run this for???
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    Quote Originally Posted by lklpp View Post
    Is there any reason why anavar @ 40mg would be a poor choice for pulsing? To boost power before sprint speed workouts thru its PCr synthesis action, is the idea. I do wonder if this would be more suppressive (even tho its not very suppressive in itself) than 20mg ED.
    I'm not sure on that one. I've never done more that 20mg myself. I swear it felt like I wasn't on anything at all though. It was the real deal Searles. It would probably work well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsyhrx View Post
    hey DR.D, i got a quick question

    my workout plan/pulse is set up like this

    i take my orals only on w/o days

    week 1
    day 1 workout
    day 2 workout
    day 3 rest
    day 4 workout
    day 5 workout
    day 6 rest
    day 7 rest

    week 2
    same as week 1 but no orals

    repeat


    ok so,
    anyway lets assume i done this 1 week on/ 1 week off method

    how many weeks could i max possibly run this for???
    Well, never tried that exactly so I'm not sure, but it's certainly very conservative. Probably for a long long time!
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    Hey Dr... quick question if you dont mind

    I see on the boards all the time about "dont do a dbol only cycle!" and stuff like that. But what about if you just want to, say, increase your deadlifts and your leg press (just an example)?

    Could this pulse method be used in a manner like... taking a moderate dose of dbol (without using anything else like test) on just lower back and leg days every week for 8 weeks or so? Or doesnt dbol work instantly like that, or perhaps the gains would just be temporary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsw222 View Post
    Hey Dr... quick question if you dont mind

    I see on the boards all the time about "dont do a dbol only cycle!" and stuff like that. But what about if you just want to, say, increase your deadlifts and your leg press (just an example)?

    Could this pulse method be used in a manner like... taking a moderate dose of dbol (without using anything else like test) on just lower back and leg days every week for 8 weeks or so? Or doesnt dbol work instantly like that, or perhaps the gains would just be temporary?
    I think it's so versatile that a lot of guys would just take 50mg per day and be done with it. That would eventually stress the liver. Also, test should generally be used on cycle once suppression kicks in at least, but if suppression is controlled with pulsing, any oral will just act to augment your own production.
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    there is an old thread on here that goes very in-depth about running dbol for 10-12 weeks with an off week in the dead middle and off on all weekends...the dose is 20mg

    it's titled something like.....

    low dose d-bol: the use of dianabol as a supplement
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsw222 View Post
    Sorry to add to an increasingly large (and very valuable) thread but I had a few questions about this method for when you have some time (no rush)...

    You talk about dbol being what you first used this with. Probably a stupid question, but I assume you were using test also? So like test for 12ish weeks and pulse dbol for 6-8 of them and then run post cycle therapy after the test? I have never used gear before (just began my first ever superdrol cycle) and this looks like a great way for me to start... after a few more months of research of course!

    Also when you mention using the compound 3x a week for this method to be efficient... thats not the same for workouts correct? i.e. you can lift 5x a week but as long as you only use the gear on 3 of those workouts (switch between which workouts you use it on each week) then you're in the clear?

    Lastly, would this method work good for Superdrol? I wasn't sure because with the cycle I just started, its been about 4 days and I still dont see any gains. It seems like if you only use it 3x a week then it will never have a chance to build up and therefore the gains would never come (or come extremely slowly). But I'm new to all of this and thats why its so useful to ask an expert like you!
    Hey D, sorry to bring this one back up, but I currently work out 5X a week, and did not see an answer for dosing 3X a week and working out 5X a week. Any issues with that? I am starting pp/sd Monday, and may do the pulse instead if there is no issue with just dosing on three out of 5 workout days.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freak30 View Post
    Hey D, sorry to bring this one back up, but I currently work out 5X a week, and did not see an answer for dosing 3X a week and working out 5X a week. Any issues with that? I am starting pp/superdrol Monday, and may do the pulse instead if there is no issue with just dosing on three out of 5 workout days.

    Thanks
    I work out 4 days/wk and dose on three of them, non consecutive days.

    You could do it every other day, thereby the days you dose on would change from week to week. Just an idea...
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    great thread Dr. D I am all about the conservative approach to cycling and i love reading about the different options. i've tried a few short cycles which i always felt great coming off but never tried pulsing. think i'ma give H-Drol a wack at it with 50 mg's preworkout 25 mg's post workout 3 days a week. if this threads still alive in a month or two i'll let yall know how it went.
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