PS: How come sometimes when I submit a post, it wont let me abbreviate Post Cycle Therapy? It looks kinda retarded.

Originally Posted by DR.D

At both of those points during the day cortisol spikes, or anytime fasting it stays elevated. Just to keep it simple, I dose 3x/day (6am, noon, 6pm).

Also, try not to take DHEA after 6pm if possible or melatonin later than midnight. That's kind of a different issue though.

no melatonin after midnight....why????

Hey D,

I have some questions for my change of plans. I will list the supplements I have and hopefully u can help ur boy out. I know this playing with my hormones and all but what kind of neg effect will pulsing have on me while trying to have a baby?

New Plan: 12 week pulse maybe longer? Whats the longest u would ok with? I want to go 4x week but will prob stick to 3x. Depending on the length of pulse.

ErgoMax LMG, Superdrol. Epistane.

I want to run 6 week of Ergo Pre-workout @ 20-30mg. Superdrol @ 20-30mg Pre-Workout for the last 6 weeks. I want to run Epi for the 12 weeks at maybe 30-50mg postworkout.

Supplements for off day. I am having a hard time figuring what would be best.

Activate Xtreme
Restore
Advanced post cycle therapy
Retain 2
Maybe start these half way thru the pulse?

Everyday supplements:
Green Mag- Creatine
Incarnate- Beta-Alanine and Cissus
BCAA's
Of course vitamins A,B,C and E plus a multi in the morn.

I know u aren't a fan of running liver support on off days but I was going to throw in some NOW liver dextox. Prob around lunch time.

Any other feedback would be great.

Thanks,
Mike

I sent this thru the pm's as well, but just in case I posted it here too.

why no liver supps on off days

Originally Posted by poopypants

why no liver supps on off days

I think D said it blocks absorption to some degree. I may be wrong.

if your pulsing though... wouldnt that mean only taking one at a time or is the effects long lasting enough to block absorbtion the next day as well?

also while we got D's eyes on this thread ... superdrol is 400% as ANABOLIC and 20% as androgenic for its A::A ratios when cmopared to what?? test? 1-test? and also what is epis A::A ratio? how well do those 2 mesh in a stack? also does Mtrn effect its own receptor.... or the androgen receptor the same as epi? would a tren deriv effect a certain trnen receptor? just casue i know epi has a ver strong binding affinity for the receptor and wouldnt want to waste trn if epi would block most its abosrbtion... same with SD and epi... i want to get the most effective stack pssible... also what about dbol and its A::A ratio and how well it would stack with epi and trn.

sniff sniff,... What's that smell?

Originally Posted by poopypants

if your pulsing though... wouldnt that mean only taking one at a time or is the effects long lasting enough to block absorbtion the next day as well?

Well, you certinly could take one compound before you lift, and another afterwards. The idea is to have to compound clear the system after doing it's job fast as possible, so the next day I do not beleive would be a factor. (I beleive there was something about liver sups too,.. I suppose you COULD use that too,.. but one of the bennifits in pulsing is you spare your liver since your not dosing daily. Liver protection shouldn't benecessessary, and the possibility of it blocking absorbtion lingers... further lending to the school of thought you can go without it.

Originally Posted by poopypants

also while we got D's eyes on this thread ... superdrol is 400% as ANABOLIC and 20% as androgenic for its A::A ratios when cmopared to what?? test? 1-test?

I beleive A:A ratios are always refered to test.

Originally Posted by poopypants

and also what is epis A::A ratio?

I beleive is was 90: 1200 or something, depending on where you look.. also, I would speculate that would also depend on which epi your taking. there are different ratio's in the isomers,.. and while both will work, I can tell ya I definately feel a difference -I explained in my epi log for Genera- so one may be more androgenic then the other, as I feel I get supressed MUCH faster on Havoc then the Epidrol I'm taking.

Originally Posted by poopypants

how well do those 2 mesh in a stack? also does Mtrn effect its own receptor.... or the androgen receptor the same as epi?

I DO think there are different types of androgen receptors, yet we havent identified them yet. You also have progesterone receptors, estrogen receptors... but I think mostly, its the AR where the goodness comes from. If all steroids hit the exact same receptor, why have as many as we do ...
Also, like dbol, epi I would think also effects the estrogen receptor, so it's possible you have your secondary anabolic responses, like initial LH spike, increased GH output.. things like that.
I am sure they would make a fine stack. From what I remember, you made nice gains on epi- wether that was becasue Epi happens to be YOUR roid (lol- the one your body really responds well to) or becasue of the number of cycles you have done or growth potential, and where you were at I dont know.
I do not see any reason to avoid taking TRN with Epi- you'll have the added boobie protection from the epi if it's a concern with TRN.

would a tren deriv effect a certain trnen receptor? [/QUOTE] I beleive so. I beleive there is a tendency to bind to the progesterone receptor over other compounds. Also, it has a high binding affenity.
I personally think that you (specificly- and right now) wouldn't need to worry too much about taking 2 compounds with a high affinity. Especially on a pulse cycle. Although I will admit that sort of thing can play a role in selecting somethign for a regular cycle

Originally Posted by poopypants

just casue i know epi has a ver strong binding affinity for the receptor and wouldnt want to waste trn if epi would block most its abosrbtion... same with superdrol and epi... i want to get the most effective stack pssible...

After everything I have said,.. I still would choose to take TRN before working out, simply becasue of the strength bennifits over Epi. Theroticlly, (my spelling sux) you can take the compounds on your off dyas, as opposed to days you work out- but you loose the strength bennifits you get from the added androgen

Originally Posted by poopypants

also what about dbol and its A::A ratio and how well it would stack with epi and trn.

I have stacked a lil d-bol with epi a few times. I beleive d-bol is something like 45:90.
I always got a really nice rebound on my pulse using d-bol becasue of the methyl E2 left over... acted like epi in a way as an type of AI.

Poops,.. the thing about pulsing, is the compounds clear your system before you take the next dose.
Litterally, you can try a monday with TRN first, then Epi post w/o, and then Tuesday, Try TRN with a little d-bol and then epi after...

Basicly, you can TRY everything you are wondering about and use what you like the best.
In pulsing, you are not going for a "buildup" of hormone. yo ucould use a different anabolic every time

I hope this helps ya - and I'm sure the Doc will come in and clean up my mess with more accurate information.. but I gave ya something to chew on in the meantime

SEROUSLY, what happened to my REPS? - I'm now missing 3 crowns?? I'm always having my junk taken.. as soon as I get a star- gone a week later,.. 3 crowns,.. there all last week, gone this morning!! wtf? Anyone else notice this?

Does anyone know if nutraplanet carries any of the non-methyl designers? Thinking about a superdrol/non-methyl something pulse

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Does anyone know if nutraplanet carries any of the non-methyl designers? Thinking about a superdrol/non-methyl something pulse

Nope. Maybe there would be a simular site might

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Does anyone know if nutraplanet carries any of the non-methyl designers? Thinking about a superdrol/non-methyl something pulse

I think they (suprememuscle) have Furazadrol and BOLD, those are not methylated.

But BOLD probably better off to be run on a conventional cycle, then pulse the superdrol on top, on workout days.

Hmm a 20mg superdrol pre/100mg furazadrol post sounds pretty sweet

Originally Posted by xtraflossy

I beleive is was 90: 1200 or something, depending on where you look.. also, I would speculate that would also depend on which epi your taking. .

sounds good man thanks for alll the responses now just to be absolutely clear tht ratio above is anabolic:androgenic right? 90 as anabolic and 1200 as androgenic.... damn thats some pretty "strong" stuff!

looks like in that case that Epi would be a good stack with either Dbol or sdrol, would definately have to be a pulse though in order to avoid toxicity issues....

anyone know the typical dose for an SD pulse? i know epi is anywhere between 30mg-50mg....

there are different ratio's in the isomers,.. and while both will work, I can tell ya I definately feel a difference -I explained in my epi log for Genera- so one may be more androgenic then the other, as I feel I get supressed MUCH faster on Havoc then the Epidrol I'm taking

yes BUT epistane is all one isomer...... i think you should give it a try next and give everyone a complete comparitive reveiw.... specially with all these other generics and versions coming out from different producers.

Poopy I stayed at 30mg for SD. I felt great at that dose. I didn't feel the need to go to 40mg.

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Does anyone know if nutraplanet carries any of the non-methyl designers? Thinking about a superdrol/non-methyl something pulse

Hey easy if u want to try out a tren ph go to discount anabolics and get some Trenadrol. Feedback has been crazy on it. Decent price as well.

Originally Posted by poopypants

now just to be absolutely clear tht ratio above is anabolic:androgenic right? 90 as anabolic and 1200 as androgenic....

I think its the other way around, 90 as androgenic and 1200 as anabolic compared to methyltest

Originally Posted by poopypants

sounds good man thanks for alll the responses now just to be absolutely clear tht ratio above is anabolic:androgenic right? 90 as anabolic and 1200 as androgenic.... damn thats some pretty "strong" stuff!

Nah- 90% as androgenic as test, 1200ish as anabolic

Originally Posted by poopypants

anyone know the typical dose for an superdrol pulse? i know epi is anywhere between 30mg-50mg....

When pulsing, you can get away with higher dosing.. by that , I mean, take the usual (usually about 3 tabs/pills/caps) and work from there.
SD, I suppose you can do it with 20mg.. I wouldn't go below, although you certinly could. 30mg is about right, although I do not know what you have done before, so see what works for you. One thing to keep in mind though, is at least for me, after my SD cycle, the effects lasted quitre a long time.
so I wouldn't take 50mg doses personally.
If doing something with SD and ept, I'd start 20mg on each.

I have a thing where feel like if I take SD, I suck everything in, and then it' slike the next day I can see all the fat accumilated after the effects wore off, and all the crqap I ate is released and stored as fat This is more the nlikely in my head, so I stick 10mg SD most of the time.
I suppose, once Im done with my log I'll think about it in the future

Originally Posted by poopypants

yes BUT epistane is all one isomer...... i think you should give it a try next and give everyone a complete comparitive reveiw.... specially with all these other generics and versions coming out from different producers.

lol- I have, and I did. Floss's "I'm gonna do me some Epi" log

Originally Posted by Solitude

I think its the other way around, 90 as androgenic and 1200 as anabolic compared to methyltest

This is correct. Generally speaking, orals are compared to methyl-test when assessing potency. Injectables are compared to test.

Originally Posted by aspire210

This is correct. Generally speaking, orals are compared to methyl-test when assessing potency. Injectables are compared to test.

opps,.. I ment methyl test

Originally Posted by DR.D

A low dose (20mg) will be strictly additive, like a bump in the road. A higher dose (40-60mg) will have a more significant benefit obviously and be enough to cause a temporary dip after that bump. The higher dose is needed to achieve the bounce, because you can't bounce without a dip.

The 2x/wk low dose has it's place and the high dose once every wk or two does also. It just depends on you. Give both a 1 month trial and see what you think before you implement one or the other.

Revisiting a little, using superdrol specifically, which of the following is likely to be best for a 1st cycle of designers/ph
M/W/F workout days

• 10/10/30
• 10/10/40
• 20/20/30
• 20/20/40
• 20/20/50
• 30/30/40
• 30/30/50

Specifically which would give the biggest end bounce gain of natural test levels? i'm sort of guessing the 20/20/40

Originally Posted by TripDog

no melatonin after midnight....why????

I think it screws up cortisol/DHEA ratios the next day if it turns light and too much of it is still in your system. Messes with your circadian rhythm. I don't even use it unless I really have to and can take it pretty early.

Originally Posted by poopypants

why no liver supps on off days

Yes, a dose on off days is fine.

Originally Posted by poopypants

if your pulsing though... wouldnt that mean only taking one at a time or is the effects long lasting enough to block absorbtion the next day as well?

also while we got D's eyes on this thread ... superdrol is 400% as ANABOLIC and 20% as androgenic for its A::A ratios when cmopared to what?? test? 1-test? and also what is epis A::A ratio? how well do those 2 mesh in a stack? also does Mtrn effect its own receptor.... or the androgen receptor the same as epi? would a tren deriv effect a certain trnen receptor? just casue i know epi has a ver strong binding affinity for the receptor and wouldnt want to waste trn if epi would block most its abosrbtion... same with superdrol and epi... i want to get the most effective stack pssible... also what about dbol and its A::A ratio and how well it would stack with epi and trn.

Superdrol is 0-20/400-800 based on 2 studies, so the ratio average is ~10:600 compared to methyltest as a standard, it's 91:1100 with Epi based on 1 main study only. Epi does not seem to interfere with SD in a stack and indeed they mesh well in combo. It could be they don't saturate AR's or have a comparable binding affinity where you get both effects pretty equally, but the stack is primarily synergistic rather than competitive. Epi should be almost twice as strong as SD mg-VS-mg but it's not, it's about twice as weak, so that may indicate that it has a lower AR affinity even with it's greater intrinsic activity, so it might be offering something else to the stack.

Nitrogen studies with dbol sh ow it to have about a 50:150 ratio with methyltest. It stacks very well with M1T, likely with epi too, and I suspect well with trn if the dose is kept on the low side. You never really know till you try though.

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Revisiting a little, using superdrol specifically, which of the following is likely to be best for a 1st cycle of designers/ph
M/W/F workout days

• 10/10/30
• 10/10/40
• 20/20/30
• 20/20/40
• 20/20/50
• 30/30/40
• 30/30/50

Specifically which would give the biggest end bounce gain of natural test levels? i'm sort of guessing the 20/20/40

For SD: 20,30,40 or 20,20,40 looks good if you consistently have at least 2 consecutive off days per week, otherwise I'd just keep it static at 30,30,30... EOD.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Hey D,

I have some questions for my change of plans. I will list the supplements I have and hopefully u can help ur boy out. I know this playing with my hormones and all but what kind of neg effect will pulsing have on me while trying to have a baby?

New Plan: 12 week pulse maybe longer? Whats the longest u would ok with? I want to go 4x week but will prob stick to 3x. Depending on the length of pulse.

ErgoMax LMG, Superdrol. Epistane.

I want to run 6 week of Ergo Pre-workout @ 20-30mg. Superdrol @ 20-30mg Pre-Workout for the last 6 weeks. I want to run Epi for the 12 weeks at maybe 30-50mg postworkout.

Supplements for off day. I am having a hard time figuring what would be best.

Activate Xtreme
Restore
Advanced post cycle therapy
Retain 2
Maybe start these half way thru the pulse?

Everyday supplements:
Green Mag- Creatine
Incarnate- Beta-Alanine and Cissus
BCAA's
Of course vitamins A,B,C and E plus a multi in the morn.

I know u aren't a fan of running liver support on off days but I was going to throw in some NOW liver dextox. Prob around lunch time.

Any other feedback would be great.

Thanks,
Mike

I sent this thru the pm's as well, but just in case I posted it here too.

If I was going to try it and wanted to use all this stuff, I might try it this way:

Wks 1-6 Ergo/Epi with Restore
*Basically run the Restore as a stand alone test booster with the androgenic methyls on pulse.

Wks 7-12 Superdrol/Epi with ACT-X
*Get my SHBG levels up again if they've started to drop at all and keep pulsing with the more anabolic, less suppressive combo.

R2 on off days with Advanced P.C.T off nights the whole way just to keep catabolism in check and encourage a hard bounce week after week.

Originally Posted by DR.D

For superdrol: 20,30,40 or 20,20,40 looks good if you consistently have at least 2 consecutive off days per week, otherwise I'd just keep it static at 30,30,30... EOD.

How would you recommend doing a superdrol pulse for someone who works out two days on, one day off? Thanks!

Originally Posted by DR.D

I think it screws up cortisol/DHEA ratios the next day if it turns light and too much of it is still in your system. Messes with your circadian rhythm. I don't even use it unless I really have to and can take it pretty early.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DR.D again.

thanks buddy

Originally Posted by DR.D

For superdrol: 20,30,40 or 20,20,40 looks good if you consistently have at least 2 consecutive off days per week, otherwise I'd just keep it static at 30,30,30... EOD.

Ok, last question on this, as I think this is the route I would go On doing 20/20/40, should that be 10 pre on 20mg days and 20 pre on the 40? or go with 20 pre all days, and only 20 post on the 40 day? My instinct would be the latter, only splitting the high dose.

Originally Posted by DR.D

Superdrol is 0-20/400-800 based on 2 studies, so the ratio average is ~10:600 compared to methyltest as a standard, it's 91:1100 with Epi based on 1 main study only. Epi does not seem to interfere with superdrol in a stack and indeed they mesh well in combo. It could be they don't saturate AR's or have a comparable binding affinity where you get both effects pretty equally, but the stack is primarily synergistic rather than competitive. Epi should be almost twice as strong as SD mg-VS-mg but it's not, it's about twice as weak, so that may indicate that it has a lower AR affinity even with it's greater intrinsic activity, so it might be offering something else to the stack.

Nitrogen studies with dbol sh ow it to have about a 50:150 ratio with methyltest. It stacks very well with M1T, likely with epi too, and I suspect well with trn if the dose is kept on the low side. You never really know till you try though.

How about stacking 1,4 AD BOLD (cycled ED normally) combined with 30 mg PP + 20 mg SD (pulsed on workout days only), will any of them compete for receptors or would this stack work in synergy?

aright its decided then... im doin an Epi, superdrol, TRN pulse my next cycle... and if 3-AD ever comes out through that entire stretch of time ill pick it up and prob run it straight every day for the remainder...
prob gonna run it 8-10 weeks... depending on how i feel come round that time...

week superdrol/Epi/TRN

• 120mg/20mg/25mg
  /20mg/20mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 220mg/20mg/25mg
  /20mg/20mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 320mg/20mg/30mg
  /20mg/30mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 420mg/25mg/30mg
  /30mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 520mg/25mg/30mg
  /30mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 625mg/25mg/30mg
  /30mg/30mg/50mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 725mg/30mg/40mg
  /30mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 825mg/30mg/40mg
  /30mg/40mg/50mg
  /4.5mg/4.5mg/4.5mg

Originally Posted by poopypants

aright its decided then... im doin an Epi, superdrol, TRN pulse my next cycle... and if 3-AD ever comes out through that entire stretch of time ill pick it up and prob run it straight every day for the remainder...
prob gonna run it 8-10 weeks... depending on how i feel come round that time...

week SD/Epi/TRN

• 120mg/20mg/25mg
  /20mg/20mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 220mg/20mg/25mg
  /20mg/20mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 320mg/20mg/30mg
  /20mg/30mg/30mg
  /3mg/3mg/3mg
• 420mg/25mg/30mg
  /20mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 520mg/25mg/30mg
  /30mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 625mg/25mg/30mg
  /30mg/30mg/50mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 725mg/30mg/40mg
  /20mg/30mg/40mg
  /3mg/3mg/4.5mg
• 825mg/30mg/40mg
  /30mg/40mg/50mg
  /4.5mg/4.5mg/4.5mg

That looks like one hell of a pulse. I personally enjoy using multiple compounds at a time in my pulse and I have yet to experience a negative side.