How to "pulse" orals
- 03-22-2007, 09:49 PM
- 03-22-2007, 09:52 PM
03-22-2007, 09:55 PM
so far im on day 4, ive taken it every day and im deff not as puffy as normal...Dr.D- what do you think of taking epi for 3 weeks 20,30,30 then 2 weeks of torm and 3 more weeks of epi at 30,30,40. Followed by 3-4 weeks of torm, nha stack after week 1 of pct with retain?
03-22-2007, 10:10 PM
I work out so late (just ask Sub or Mace) sometimes after midnight when it's quiet and peaceful! So I break the before 6pm rule all the time. It's no biggie. Just take before 6pm IF possible. If your on a pulse, it's not quite as important. Epi on w/o days only is doing me great. I see no suppression at all. I also added 3-AD daily the w/e before last and am loving that stack!
The 6-Br would be great for this. I have used ATD when on and it definitely attenuates shutdown. A 6-Br bases product, especially with a cAMP booster too like Hyperdrol would be perfect. Just use it at low doses, like half the label recommendation or only on off days. That should be plenty for some extra insurance. Even just 1 cap a day would probably just to be safe.
You will need to experiment a little to see exactly what works for you and what you can and can't get away with when pulsing, but once you get the feel of it, you'll be able to cycle safe for years with much less risk of long term health complications and still get slow, steady gains. It's less extreme and hard on your body with the high ons and low offs of regular cycling. You are actually 'on' more of the time this way if you think about it, and it's just when you need it the most only.
03-22-2007, 10:27 PM
Hey Dr.D, how about something like this
Androgen Weeks 1-4 (Pulse Method, 3x EW, WO Days)
IGF weeks 5-10 (Workout Days Only)
Androgen Weeks 11-14 (Pulse Again)
IGF Weeks 15-20 (WO Days Only)
Androgen Is probably going to be Var, Halo (real one) or Dbol (with low dose extremestane). Haven't decided yet. Torm will be run for 2 weeks after each androgen cycle, in the first 2 weeks of each igf cycle. Stats 5'7 180, ~12/13%. Few short oral cycles, couple of trans, 2 inject (one with bunk gear). Goal is come out at about 180-185@10%, basically just a recomp with a small gain that is maintainable. As little shutdown as possible. I have heard igf works better with strong androgens, so I am leaning toward halo due to minimal shutdown, great strength, hardness, aggression and possible igf receptor upregulation (brotelligence maybe?). Anyway, thanks for any input.
03-22-2007, 10:35 PM
03-22-2007, 11:25 PM
03-23-2007, 01:06 AM
So One could Puls PheraPlex 20mg on WO days 3x per week 10mg pre and 10mg post for say say...6- 8 weeks and not do a pct and not take liver aids?
I can't be undersanding this correctly can I?
03-23-2007, 02:03 AM
Does anyone here think that Dbol could effectively be pulsed at like 25mg/d for a 200 pound individual, or does dbol have too many negative side effects?
03-23-2007, 02:08 AM
Hey D <3
I am thinking of pulsing my cycle of EPI, I also have bulk powerful and bulk 6-OXO. I usually work out:
M: w/o or off depending on how tired.
So I would pulse as you recommend on the w/o days,:
Week1: Ramp 10mg day before workout
Week2: 20mg before and 10mg after w/o
Week3: 20mg before and 20mg after w/o
Now my current Bulk Powerfull and 6-OXO are like this:
1. Morning 3/4 tsp bulk Powerfull before cardio / breakfast
2. Before WO 1/4 tsp bulk Powerfull
3. Before Bed 3/4 bulk Powerfull & 600mg ( 1/4 tsp ) 6-OXO
I'm just taking this with water, and I might add it tastes like @$$, any recommendations?
Is this good and should provide good results ( in addition to rest, diet and exercise etc )? Any input please?
Thanks for everything you do for the community.
03-23-2007, 03:00 AM
03-23-2007, 03:45 AM
03-23-2007, 03:52 AM
03-23-2007, 03:56 AM
03-23-2007, 03:58 AM
03-23-2007, 04:03 AM
I haven't tried the bulk Powerfull, is it water soluble?
03-23-2007, 04:09 AM
03-23-2007, 04:20 AM
03-23-2007, 04:25 AM
03-23-2007, 08:36 AM
Your insight is much appreciated. I will give this a go at the start of next week. I like the idea of being on longer because I train for strength and I find the few cycles I have done I am able to put on some mass/weight but the cycle length time does not seem to be optimal for true strength gains. If I can work the kinks out looks like this could be a real option for me. I will post and let everyone know how it is going.
I'm all worked up now!
03-23-2007, 09:14 AM
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03-23-2007, 11:32 AM
Dr. D, I know alot of people have been asking u questions so hopefully one more doesn't hurt (or anyone else who would like to comment) It's too hard to fit all body parts into a 3 day workout schedule w/o staying in the gym all day, so tell me how this sounds. I want to do a pulse cycle for 8 weeks w/SD so how about if I dose 3 of the days like you specified but then on the forth day I only took 20mg? That way I can atleast get in 4 workout days while staying on an 8 week cycle and the 4th day wouldn't be nearly as much mg's. Thanks for bein there for all of us!
03-23-2007, 11:36 AM
03-23-2007, 11:48 AM
Very cool and interesting stuff Dr D!!!
I was going to run SD for three weeks before my next comp, but am most worried about such a rapid increase in strength I get from it that injuries are possible. I am now 6 weeks away and could pulse it with your protocol, get the strength, and not be so worried about rupturing any tendons (again!).
03-23-2007, 12:01 PM
The only change I might make is not to go over 30 mg per day. Again, I have no idea what I'm going to do, just trying to gather all info I can.Example of a 4x/wk pulse Sat,Sun & Wed,Thur:
03-23-2007, 12:04 PM
03-23-2007, 12:21 PM
03-23-2007, 02:10 PM
03-23-2007, 02:35 PM
03-23-2007, 11:05 PM
I talked with another guy doing something similar to you. He trained 5 days a weeks but was going to skip dosing on the 5'th day, but 4 doses are still workable in your case. Taking a smaller dose on the 4'th day is exactly the kind of innovative thinking it takes to make the most of pulsing! After awhile, you may find that you can take that last dose in full no problem, but at first, be conservative. The whole point is to get that extra boost while avoiding PCT, so your plan sounds like you're on the right track for sure!
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