How to "pulse" orals

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by gladiator_75 View Post
    So what would you say about this?

    I am 31 years old, 6 2 tall and started my 12 week cycle on January 15th. @ 243 Lbs and now I am almost done (within the last month) and this is how it was:

    Weeks

    1 12 sustanon @ 500mg EW
    1 12 proviron @ 25 mg ED
    1 6 Dbol @ 40 mg ED
    6 12 HCG @ 500IU EW

    post cycle therapy will start 2 week after last test injection & will be a basic Nolvadex 40 40 20 20 20 20 and I do have clomid on hand just in case but I would rather not use clomid unless I will need to keep sides down!

    Now, I want to take Dbol from now till the end of my cycle and all the way up to the post cycle therapy especially that the Dbol have a very short half life!

    So, can I use the pulse method to take the Dbol from now till the end of my cycle and up to the post cycle therapy (on the gym days only, which is 4 days/week or max. 5 days). I work out on a 2 days on 1 day off bases and depending on how I feel I can go for a 3rd day on a roll but not more than 3 days without a day off.

    Do you guys think that this will be an over kill to my liver to use the Dbol again from now till the PCT? And if it is ok to use it, what dosage are we talking about? Keeping in mind that I toke 40mg ED for the first 6 weeks.

    Can the pulse method work in this case?

    Thanks for the help in advance

    P.S: I do take Milk thistle along with other suppl. Do you think i should stop taking it coz it Dramatically decrese the gains!

    Gladiator_75
    pump


  2. Quote Originally Posted by gators52 View Post
    What about pulsing dbol while on a test cycle. Instead of kickstarting the cycle with dbol for 4 weeks, you could then pulse dbol for 6-8 weeks or so. What kind of effect would this have?
    Very efficient! This is really the way to go on a straight cycle with injectables and I have never endorsed the common kick start approach. Orals on w/o days for the extra creatine synthesis while the test is in your system constantly from your injections to support nitrogen retention 24/7. Perfect.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by hill5673 View Post
    Your thread got me thinking.
    I wonder how Dbol would stack with Havoc in a sort of pulse cycle.
    Dbol EOD at low dose and Havoc on the opposite days. You would see gains from both and Havoc would keep the "Dbol bloat" to a minimum.
    I realize this would still shut you down but it would be less stressfull on your liver than running them side by side and you should be able to keep gains better than a Dbol only cycle.

    Any thoughts?
    That's interesting, I have never really tried that but sort of. I have done the andros in the AM and anabolics in the PM. Like 30mg Epi spread throughout the day and 10mg SD at night. Your idea has potential though. Kind of like taking the anti-corts on off days.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JPM View Post
    Bless you Dr. D !
    Bless you too my friend!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jmuls View Post
    Dr. D,

    Just to clarify, your ranges in doses above such as 30-40 or 30-50 are listed as such to allow for people to apply your suggestions and take their age, weight, cycling experience, etc etc. into consideration when chosing what dose to run with, correct?

    Also, if one was running a 3-day training split, such as a M-W-F protocol, do you feel that the 3x/wk pulse would be optimal?

    Thanks!
    Exactly. Age, weight, experience, doctors advise or other medical conditions, experience, intrinsic character of the compound itself, etc. are all considerations. Be conservative and use only the minimum effective dose, increasing dose every 2wks as needed. This should be equal to or slightly higher that your standard daily dose for any given product.

    Yes, 3 days per wk is just right. 4 days is OK but starting to push it so you must run lower doses and keep cycles shorter.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    ... I am in the early planning stages of a "pulse" myself! D probably created this thread cause he was tired of getting PMs and emails from ME!

    WAY TO GO D! ALWAYS looking out for us!
    Haha, yes, you played a role for sure Mace!

    J/K, you know I don't mind bro.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651 View Post
    one of the things that i liked about epistane is that people have been reporting that it made their gyno smaller...would you get this affect from pulsing also?
    Guys are saying that this is still effective, but not as rapid in effect. That makes sense. Not less than 20mg daily seems to be the optimal gyno fighting protocol.

  8. so far im on day 4, ive taken it every day and im deff not as puffy as normal...Dr.D- what do you think of taking epi for 3 weeks 20,30,30 then 2 weeks of torm and 3 more weeks of epi at 30,30,40. Followed by 3-4 weeks of torm, nha stack after week 1 of pct with retain?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett View Post
    Very tempted to try this as I was planning a cycle net week. I would say I shutdown soon into a cycle and have difficulty not crashing while in post cycle therapy so this applies to me.

    You mention take the dosages close together pre/post workout before 6pm if possible. If you train at night (around 7pm) what is your suggestion? Still pre/post or earlier and pre?

    Also, you mention if sensative to shutdown take an AI on off days or daily. Are we talking an OTC like 6-bromo or other?
    It's worth a shot. At IBE and some at BB guys have been posting good results on Epi pulsing logs specifically, but this will work with anything really.

    I work out so late (just ask Sub or Mace) sometimes after midnight when it's quiet and peaceful! So I break the before 6pm rule all the time. It's no biggie. Just take before 6pm IF possible. If your on a pulse, it's not quite as important. Epi on w/o days only is doing me great. I see no suppression at all. I also added 3-AD daily the w/e before last and am loving that stack!

    The 6-Br would be great for this. I have used ATD when on and it definitely attenuates shutdown. A 6-Br bases product, especially with a cAMP booster too like Hyperdrol would be perfect. Just use it at low doses, like half the label recommendation or only on off days. That should be plenty for some extra insurance. Even just 1 cap a day would probably just to be safe.

    You will need to experiment a little to see exactly what works for you and what you can and can't get away with when pulsing, but once you get the feel of it, you'll be able to cycle safe for years with much less risk of long term health complications and still get slow, steady gains. It's less extreme and hard on your body with the high ons and low offs of regular cycling. You are actually 'on' more of the time this way if you think about it, and it's just when you need it the most only.

  10. Hey Dr.D, how about something like this

    Androgen Weeks 1-4 (Pulse Method, 3x EW, WO Days)
    IGF weeks 5-10 (Workout Days Only)
    Androgen Weeks 11-14 (Pulse Again)
    IGF Weeks 15-20 (WO Days Only)

    Androgen Is probably going to be Var, Halo (real one) or Dbol (with low dose extremestane). Haven't decided yet. Torm will be run for 2 weeks after each androgen cycle, in the first 2 weeks of each igf cycle. Stats 5'7 180, ~12/13%. Few short oral cycles, couple of trans, 2 inject (one with bunk gear). Goal is come out at about [email protected]%, basically just a recomp with a small gain that is maintainable. As little shutdown as possible. I have heard igf works better with strong androgens, so I am leaning toward halo due to minimal shutdown, great strength, hardness, aggression and possible igf receptor upregulation (brotelligence maybe?). Anyway, thanks for any input.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Dr. D,

    I remember you talking in another thread about the possibility of using epi during post-cycle therapy in a pulsed fashion. Can this be done the same way as in a pulsed cycle? Or would one have to tweak it a little more?

    thanks,
    thesinner
    I would finish the PCT properly after a real cycle, then ease into this type of scenario after at least a month of real, strict PCT.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by skinnyJ View Post
    Dr D,

    What about an Oxyguno Pulse Cycle. Ea is 7.5mg, recommended to take 3 a day = 22.5mg and for no more than 4 weeks. I train on a four day split.
    Oh man, that product is a total rip IMO. I can't recommend it for anything. Even at it's highest recommended dose of 22.5mg (3 tabs/day) 4-chloro-17-etioallochol-4-ene-17-ol-3,11-dione is not going to do much of anything I don't think. This pulsing method is really better suited for methyls.

  13. So One could Puls PheraPlex 20mg on WO days 3x per week 10mg pre and 10mg post for say say...6- 8 weeks and not do a pct and not take liver aids?

    I can't be undersanding this correctly can I?

  14. Does anyone here think that Dbol could effectively be pulsed at like 25mg/d for a 200 pound individual, or does dbol have too many negative side effects?

  15. Hey D <3

    I am thinking of pulsing my cycle of EPI, I also have bulk powerful and bulk 6-OXO. I usually work out:

    M: w/o or off depending on how tired.
    T: w/o
    W: w/o
    T: off
    F: w/o
    S: w/o
    S: off

    So I would pulse as you recommend on the w/o days,:

    Week/Dose(mg)
    1 (10,20,30)
    2 30
    3 30-40
    4 30-40
    5 30-50
    6 30-50
    7 30-60
    8 30-60

    Week1: Ramp 10mg day before workout
    Week2: 20mg before and 10mg after w/o
    Week3: 20mg before and 20mg after w/o

    etc

    Now my current Bulk Powerfull and 6-OXO are like this:

    1. Morning 3/4 tsp bulk Powerfull before cardio / breakfast

    2. Before WO 1/4 tsp bulk Powerfull

    3. Before Bed 3/4 bulk Powerfull & 600mg ( 1/4 tsp ) 6-OXO

    I'm just taking this with water, and I might add it tastes like @$$, any recommendations?

    Is this good and should provide good results ( in addition to rest, diet and exercise etc )? Any input please?

    Thanks for everything you do for the community.

    Neoborn

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651 View Post
    so far im on day 4, ive taken it every day and im deff not as puffy as normal...Dr.D- what do you think of taking epi for 3 weeks 20,30,30 then 2 weeks of torm and 3 more weeks of epi at 30,30,40. Followed by 3-4 weeks of torm, nha stack after week 1 of post cycle therapy with retain?
    Sounds like a serious plan for gyno destruction. I like it! I bit overkill for a PCT, but looks good for a gyno cycle.

  17. what if you have a ph that comes in pills with 50mg? are you able to pulse that?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    Hey Dr.D, how about something like this

    Androgen Weeks 1-4 (Pulse Method, 3x EW, WO Days)
    IGF weeks 5-10 (Workout Days Only)
    Androgen Weeks 11-14 (Pulse Again)
    IGF Weeks 15-20 (WO Days Only)

    Androgen Is probably going to be Var, Halo (real one) or Dbol (with low dose extremestane). Haven't decided yet. Torm will be run for 2 weeks after each androgen cycle, in the first 2 weeks of each igf cycle. Stats 5'7 180, ~12/13%. Few short oral cycles, couple of trans, 2 inject (one with bunk gear). Goal is come out at about [email protected]%, basically just a recomp with a small gain that is maintainable. As little shutdown as possible. I have heard igf works better with strong androgens, so I am leaning toward halo due to minimal shutdown, great strength, hardness, aggression and possible igf receptor upregulation (brotelligence maybe?). Anyway, thanks for any input.
    No, it's not all bro, it is true about igf. It does minimize shutdown for sure. I don't think you need all that tor though, but it would hurt anything. Looks solid.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by ShapeUP View Post
    So One could Puls PheraPlex 20mg on WO days 3x per week 10mg pre and 10mg post for say say...6- 8 weeks and not do a post cycle therapy and not take liver aids?

    I can't be undersanding this correctly can I?
    Yes, that is correct. Simple isn't it! I'm betting 95% of the guys here could get away with a plan like you stated. Everyone is different, so always have a plan B for PCT, but after you try it once you'll see what I mean and know what works best for you. Getting 2 consecutive off days a week and dosing close together pre and post is the real key.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by RoboGiblets View Post
    Does anyone here think that Dbol could effectively be pulsed at like 25mg/d for a 200 pound individual, or does dbol have too many negative side effects?
    It's actually the compound I learned how to do this with. I was a kid and didn't know any better, but it worked!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Hey D <3

    I am thinking of pulsing my cycle of EPI, I also have bulk powerful and bulk 6-OXO. I usually work out:

    M: w/o or off depending on how tired.
    T: w/o
    W: w/o
    T: off
    F: w/o
    S: w/o
    S: off ...
    Hey Neo! Man, if you w/o 5 days a week, I'd really just run a normal cycle. That's the whole thing about pulsing, it doesn't fit well for 5, 6 or 7 training days per week. It's more for a softer training schedule like 3, 3.5 or 4 days per week.

    I haven't tried the bulk Powerfull, is it water soluble?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by L Diddy View Post
    what if you have a ph that comes in pills with 50mg? are you able to pulse that?
    I'd split it in two, or else just take the whole dose pre-w/o.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I'd split it in two, or else just take the whole dose pre-w/o.
    so 50mg would be ok? oh and also what methyls do you personally recommend that is a good candidate for pulsing besides epi?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by L Diddy View Post
    so 50mg would be ok? oh and also what methyls do you personally recommend that is a good candidate for pulsing besides epi?
    They would all be workable in this protocol, as I stated earlier. It just depends on your purpose. On something really clean and non-toxic like Epi, it's great for 8wks. On something medium, like PP, 6wks is good. For something really nasty, 4wks, and so on.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    It's worth a shot. At IBE and some at BB guys have been posting good results on Epi pulsing logs specifically, but this will work with anything really.

    I work out so late (just ask Sub or Mace) sometimes after midnight when it's quiet and peaceful! So I break the before 6pm rule all the time. It's no biggie. Just take before 6pm IF possible. If your on a pulse, it's not quite as important. Epi on w/o days only is doing me great. I see no suppression at all. I also added 3-AD daily the w/e before last and am loving that stack!

    The 6-Br would be great for this. I have used ATD when on and it definitely attenuates shutdown. A 6-Br bases product, especially with a cAMP booster too like Hyperdrol would be perfect. Just use it at low doses, like half the label recommendation or only on off days. That should be plenty for some extra insurance. Even just 1 cap a day would probably just to be safe.

    You will need to experiment a little to see exactly what works for you and what you can and can't get away with when pulsing, but once you get the feel of it, you'll be able to cycle safe for years with much less risk of long term health complications and still get slow, steady gains. It's less extreme and hard on your body with the high ons and low offs of regular cycling. You are actually 'on' more of the time this way if you think about it, and it's just when you need it the most only.

    Your insight is much appreciated. I will give this a go at the start of next week. I like the idea of being on longer because I train for strength and I find the few cycles I have done I am able to put on some mass/weight but the cycle length time does not seem to be optimal for true strength gains. If I can work the kinks out looks like this could be a real option for me. I will post and let everyone know how it is going.

    I'm all worked up now!



    WWHHHHOOOOOOO!
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