How to "pulse" orals
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05-04-2007, 05:52 PM
Is havoc androgenic?... I was thinking about changing up my upcoming cycle with some SD added with the havoc for a andro/anabolic combo how does this look?
wk1 pp (20,30,40)
wk2 pp 40
wk3 havoc 20/SD 20
wk4 havoc 20/SD 20
wk5 havoc 20/SD 20
wk6 havoc 30/SD 20
wk7 havoc 30/SD 20
wk8 havoc 30/SD 20
Havoc before wo, SD after wo
05-04-2007, 06:03 PM
If your looking at adding something more androgenic it seems that Phera or LMG would be the more sure bet, considering it appears that superdrol and epi are both highly anabolic. I dont know the exact mechanisms through which all of these substances exert their affects on the AR and that should also be taken into affect when planning a stack.
05-04-2007, 07:18 PM
Strength - Havoc is equal to Epi in the strength department. I enjoyed steady strength gains. Each w/o showed improvement. This is the main thing I look for in a supp. I can put up with a lot of sides, as long as I am getting stronger!
Libido - With Havoc, libido was neutral at best. Epi definitely had a positive support in this area though. This is somewhat variable and depends on the person to a certain extent. For example, I have talked to some that claim Superdrol made them a beast in the bedroom, and others that say they barely thought about sex the whole time they were on, so I guess it's hard to say for certain until you try for yourself.
Mood - This category was dramatically different between Havoc and Epi. I was far more negative on Havoc. I was still focused in the gym and it certainly didn't hurt my training, but my mood was generally irritable and aggressive. Epi makes me focused too but has an exceptional anti-depressant effect with a great resilience to anger, even when provoked, so the contrast was striking in this particular area.
Sides - One side I got on Epi was acne. I had no joint problems, nosebleeds, bloat or gynecological concers with either. Havoc cause some acne too, but not until I reached my highest dose (50mg/d). There seems to be some stomach upset and sometimes headaches with Havoc, but it was not frequent and not bad, if that relationship even existed. Could have just been my allergies or something, so who knows. It was not bad enough to demonstrate a clear association.
Suppression - Not dramatic with Havoc, but certainly more and faster shutdown than with Epi. This may suggest that Havoc is slightly more androgenic mg/mg. I quit the cycle last Sunday (5 days ago now) and am showing rapid recovery though, so that's a plus, though I was only on about 2wks before I quit.
Gyno - Not sure. I didn't have gyno with Havoc when I started so I can't judge it's comparative effects. It certainly did not promote gyno or cause any soreness in that area.
Aesthetics - This was good. Just like strength, it was about equal to Epi. Vascularity was not quite as good, but fat loss, muscle density and overall physical appearance were roughly equal to Epi.
05-04-2007, 07:32 PM
05-04-2007, 07:43 PM
What would be your best guess as to what the heck methoxy TST is? seems like many people are using it at high dosages. I ran it w/ my havoc pulse and I am pleased with my results just don't know what to attribute the gains to TST
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05-06-2007, 04:40 PM
Hey Dr.D I have decided to go ahead with the Ergomax-LMG/Superdrol pulse cycle. Would it make any sense to push it out to 8 or so weeks?
05-07-2007, 11:12 AM
regarding a 3wk post cycle therapy, could i do a nolva 30/20/10, dhea 200/150/100/day to be safe or am i really just overthinking this?
pp @ 50-60mgs would be safe though? Thx again man.
05-07-2007, 11:38 AM
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05-07-2007, 11:59 AM
I would probably start with 20-30mg PP pre and 150mg Zol post (immediate post with no 1hr delay) and go from there, increasing it in the next week or two if that wasn't doing it and if I could tolerate any more in the acne department.
Please log this or at least keep us posted if you do it. I'm interested how the Zol works in this system. I love it but get zero residual from it post cycle so maybe this would help it stick better or maybe not? Be interesting to see.
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