How to "pulse" orals
- 06-18-2007, 09:52 PM
- 06-18-2007, 10:05 PM
Last edited by TripDog; 06-18-2007 at 10:06 PM. Reason: aliens warped my mind....againThe LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
- 06-19-2007, 02:46 AM
I am considering pulsing Turinbol at a low dose 10-20mg/day...
What about pulsing with something like clomid on the off days?
Has anyone tried that or staying on the SERM the whole time they pulsed?
-Even if it is not 100% needed, I am thinking it couldn't hurt.?
06-19-2007, 05:53 AM
06-19-2007, 08:15 AM
I just wanted to mention, that I HAD this 3AD pulse worked out in my head, -the Doc said it looked good, but, I beleive he was runnign it slightly different; where I took anabolic doses one day, and non anabolic doses the next for its other effects...
SO, since 3AD i shaving a little trouble now, I thought Id try it with Havoc.
I take 10mg on my off days (for improved cardio I guess :P) and EoD, I bump it to:
60mg M14ADD (dbol)
and ~ 7-15 mg Phera
I am aware that this si a lot of methyl,.. but Im tring to finish things up here....
But I'd like to not that at the end of this week, I still come back the same, and do not feel any more supressed then "normal" fo rthe pulse type cycle.
I very much beleive that My dosing has played a HUGE part in this, as do the compounds I chose.
20mg epi & Phera 1 hour before workout.
dbol directly after workout.
I think the LH increase that epi brings, combined with the LATER dosing of bdol (which really seems to increase LH more so then epi) in the evening leave more of the anti-e effect for when Im going to bed, and helps with the rebound effect.
I beleive this is my last week pulsing. Results have been results,.. not in the neiborhood of what some of you guys out there have expirenced, like 4-6 pounds in a week
I'll be happy to get 4-6lbs out of the whole thing.
Anyways, I always take weekends off- well, that is, Friday and Saturday.
Just thought I'd share with ya'll. I'll post later in the results thread.
06-19-2007, 03:11 PM
- 5'9" 192 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2007
- Rep Power
To anyone who hasx pulsed i am in week six and my gains stopped in week 3. i gained 10 pounds the first 3 weeks and now i have just flatlined anyone had a similar experience or know what is going on thanks
06-19-2007, 03:14 PM
Usuyally only one of two things
Adjust training, or diet.
If your getting leaner, up your food.
or...Go heavier on the weights, less reps.
10lbs is pretty good.
I would think for another week, up your diet noticably, and see what happens. Spend the last week cutting if you cant gain.. it being summer and all
06-19-2007, 11:58 PM
ok i was looking to run epistane 8 weeks 20,30,40,40,40,40,40,40 and wanted to use 3-ad with it but seeing as 11-oxo is available i wanted to use that instead at 225 2x a day for 8.my question is should i even bother with 11-oxo..it this too low a dose? this is of course a pulse eod
06-20-2007, 12:08 AM
06-20-2007, 12:31 AM
prob do 30mgs of epi and 20 mgs of lmg for 8 weels eod pulsed..hopefully 3-ad will be available by the time im ready to pulse again
06-22-2007, 05:20 PM
06-23-2007, 12:13 AM
I think what I'm going to try next is running Advanced P.C.T. as my actual cycle/test booster and pulsing an oral with it just to fortify w/o days. That should eliminate any pct requirements afterward, especially if I use something like Epi that doesn't shut me down that fast in the first place. I will let you guys know how it works.
06-23-2007, 12:20 AM
It's hard to put an actual percent on it, but 70% is not an unreasonable prediction. It just depends on many factors, not just genetic disposition but years of training and level of conditioning and lifestyle factors.
06-23-2007, 12:28 AM
If you do decide to add a long acting SERM on off days (meaning 3-4x/wk) then I do suggest adding liver support back into that pulse.
06-23-2007, 12:37 AM
06-23-2007, 12:44 AM
In my alpha trials with 3AD, I noted excellent anti-catabolic activity at higher doses.
06-23-2007, 12:46 AM
06-23-2007, 12:53 AM
Hello Doctor, hope all is well...
I have a very basic question about pulsing and apologize in advance if this has already been covered.
In theory, most orals have short half-lives, almost always under 1 day. So taking orals on training days makes sense, in theory. However, all users notice that for orals to kick in (if they are used daily, not talking about pulsing) at least a week or two is needed. Now, how can it take up to 2 weeks for an oral to kick in if the half-life is only hours or a day at best? It doesn't make sense. I don;t know the answer to this but something is going on which invalidates the "they stay in your system for a day or less" theory.
That being the case, do you think one would potentially never allow the oral steroid to build up in his system while pulsing and thus miss out on the greatest benefit?
06-23-2007, 12:54 PM
Hey Dr. D, you got me going again. It seems like every year you keep coming up with something interesting to challenge and help me.
I'm on my second day of pulsing Epi. Today I went up to 30mg at 20 + 10. Along with some heavy HS machine Triceps Pushdowns for a new PR of 6 reps at 575 lbs, I also upped my rack extensions by 30 lbs and hit 3 reps @ 330 lbs. My old PR @ 300 lbs went by so smooth and easy that I was amazed. This Pulsing is an ideal approach for us old farts and especially with something like Epi. Thanks.
06-24-2007, 12:04 AM
06-24-2007, 12:10 AM
Hey D, I sent u a PM. I hope u see it. Anyway I guess I could post it here.
I dropped back to 3x a week and was going to extend the cycle 3 more weeks. What do u think about that?
06-24-2007, 12:11 AM
06-24-2007, 12:15 AM
06-24-2007, 12:16 AM
i have a question, on days off of training are you recommending the more androgenc compound taken in the am and the more anabolic compound in the pm like on training days? ex . i am taking max lmg with epistane right now so i would be taking 20 mgs of emax in the am and 30 of epistane pm..or just divide it up like usual and spread it out before 6 pm?
06-24-2007, 12:17 AM
06-24-2007, 12:22 AM
06-24-2007, 12:25 AM
nope this a pulse of both compunds
06-24-2007, 12:27 AM
06-25-2007, 06:55 PM
06-26-2007, 08:33 AM
PCT after a Pulse
If someone is pulsing MWF, on what day should they begin PCT? It would seem to me that continuing the on cycle support supps through Sat. and Sun. following the last day of dosing, and then starting up PCT on Mon. would make sense, but I am not sure. Or should PCT be ramped up through the weekend?
Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin PCT with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.
Is this the best way to do it, or is the method dependent upon the substances being used?
Thanks to all for the input.
06-26-2007, 08:35 AM
06-26-2007, 08:41 AM
06-26-2007, 08:47 AM
I wasnty being sarcastic here.
YOU DO PCT AT THE END... it doesn't matter what day you end it on... Monday, Wednesday, OR Friday.
Your taking your support sups on the off days..
So , you also take them the next day after your last pulse day like you have been doing the 6-8 weeks before.
All this has already been discussed in the first few pages of this thread
06-26-2007, 08:50 AM
Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin post cycle therapy with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.
Start your 6 oxo and DHEA (although you shouldn't really need DHEA, the fact that it IS an exogenous hormone aside) Sat along with your Restore.
06-26-2007, 11:08 AM
That said, why start the 6-oxo on Sat. and take the Restore for 2 more days as well? Would I not be double dipping on the estrogen control?
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
06-26-2007, 12:04 PM
But I am also assuming your bottle of Restore is opened since you have been takign it on OFF days... so Im just saying, your PCT doesnt have to be AS strong had you been ON cycle. So...
Takign a week with the Restore (if thats what you had left) and the 6-oxo shouldnt be a problem.
Takign the two together doesnt present any problems other then any libido issued you may get from ATD.
Double dipping, is kind arelitive anyways. Say who? There are perfectly acceptable PCT products and AI's out there that use more estro control then the two conbined.
It would be like a slightly less effective NHA stack.
You could probably just use the Restore,... but Im guessing you spent a pretty penny on the 6-oxo
06-27-2007, 10:18 PM
Really appreciate all the great info you are putting out.
I have a box of Sustevol (mix of Halodrol, Superdrol and PheraPlex) lying around that I really am hesitant to use in a straight cycle, due to the high hepa -toxicity of three stacked methyls. Would this be manageable used in a pulsed cycle? If so how would you implement it? (It breaks down to 43mg per capsule). Also, any thoughts on Novedex XT on off days?
Thanks in advance.......
06-28-2007, 12:46 AM
06-28-2007, 12:50 AM
06-28-2007, 01:31 AM
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