How to "pulse" orals

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  1. good to see Dr. D posting again at full strength.

    im still waiting on my monies to get straightened around, but ill hopefully be pulsing some EPI before i leave for college in late august / september, if something happens financially though i may wait untill im settled in at college before i start.

    maybe to curb some repeat questions, different cycles should be posted in the first post of this thread, something like a "base" pulse cycle, and then maybe 1-2 other cycles with different supps added in that ive seen mentioned in here, that would be great.

    no loading on CS then? i may only have to buy one jug of it now, lol.


  2. Started my pulse of SD/PP at 22.5/10 mg seemed to agree well with me. 15 mg of SD about 2:30pm followed by another 7.5mg right b4 8pm workout. Great 3 hours followed by post meal,shake, and 10mg PP and fell asleep like a champ. Glad I took most of the SD early as the stims had me going pretty good for a while. Any problem with splitting up the SD dosages like this?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    This looks great. I've been trying to get all the angles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were supposed to space out your doses of orals so that you body could replenish the enzymes you need to use them? That's a very simple way to put a good bit of info I think I kind of understood. Would dosing before and after workouts change this? And what about days you don't lift? Is spacing doses out needed then?
    The more evenly spaced, the more efficient the anabolism, but also the greater the time of suppression and the greater the odds of a weak bounce. It's a balancing act. I would take 2 doses max on w/o days and keep them to within 3hrs of each other (as a general rule) but you may be able to get away with softer rules using different products. I would start doing it by the books just to get your system down at first and then loosen up over time to see what I could really get away with.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Nogrinia View Post
    Started my pulse of superdrol/PP at 22.5/10 mg seemed to agree well with me. 15 mg of SD about 2:30pm followed by another 7.5mg right b4 8pm workout. Great 3 hours followed by post meal,shake, and 10mg PP and fell asleep like a champ. Glad I took most of the SD early as the stims had me going pretty good for a while. Any problem with splitting up the SD dosages like this?
    Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something!
    I split my SD dose (of 20mg) yesterday. 10mg at noon, and 10mg at 5pm (I also wanted to see/remember how much SD only "set me back").
    Honestly, I didn't feel anything when I dosed at Noon, nor did I at 5pm. (I still took my d-bol with the 5pm dose od SD)
    I DID "feel" the effects when I took 20mg at one time before working out. .....for whatever that's worth

    Anyways, about the time spacing using ph's...
    I have the M14ADD (diol), 30mg caps. I beleive the conversion can be settled at 10%,.. am I robbing myself by taking my 3 caps (90mg) all at one time? ... I guess what I mean is,
    DO I have enough conversion enzyme to process all that (Im sure I do though) at one time?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    What have you seen from your pulse? what are your doses?
    Sorry it took so long to reply. I'm taking 30mg 4x/week. So far I've gained 6lbs- I'm not saying I received all that just from SD bc I did add alot of extra carbs an protein to my diet which I'm sure contributed alot. My strength has also went up pretty remarkably for only 14 days in the cycle. My libido is just as high as when I started.

  7. Hey Dr.D, I just caught up with this post. I like the idea here.

    I'm late to the party and haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to contribute by saying I know Dr.D's idea here is worthy because that is how some potent immune suppressant drugs are dosed -- in pulses. Some are just taken once per week. It's considered an excellent way to avoid side effects yet still reap therapeutic effect.

    Every so often I find someone who's either got a stash of M1T or has found a means of getting it. They are dead set on using it, despite having other things available. That said, I tell them to try dosing 2-3 times per week max. I honestly think with that monster you can take a single 5mg tab per week and get an appreciable and noteworthy effect without reaching that dog-**** state. I wish I still had some or I would try it myself.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    ... I guess what I mean is,
    DO I have enough conversion enzyme to process all that (Im sure I do though) at one time?
    I don't think your robing yourself because it's active unconverted too. I have never exceeded 60mg though so I'm not sure about the 90. Made me kind of aggressive higher than that as I remember.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rhinochaser48 View Post
    Hey Dr.D, I just caught up with this post. I like the idea here.

    I'm late to the party and haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to contribute by saying I know Dr.D's idea here is worthy because that is how some potent immune suppressant drugs are dosed -- in pulses. Some are just taken once per week. It's considered an excellent way to avoid side effects yet still reap therapeutic effect.

    Every so often I find someone who's either got a stash of M1T or has found a means of getting it. They are dead set on using it, despite having other things available. That said, I tell them to try dosing 2-3 times per week max. I honestly think with that monster you can take a single 5mg tab per week and get an appreciable and noteworthy effect without reaching that dog-**** state. I wish I still had some or I would try it myself.
    Hey rhino, where ya been my friend? Yes, immuno-suppressive corticoid therapy was my inspiration for this method in fact! Really nasty stuff like M1T could be well applied to this protocol I think just like you hypothesize.
  10. My Epi Pulse


    I've been following this post for awhile and just started an Epistane pulse cycle last Tuesday. The pulse will go as follows:

    Wk 1: (Tue: 10 mg/pre) (Thurs: 10 mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 20 mg/pre 10 mg/post)

    Wk 2: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post

    Wk 3: 20 mg/pre - 10mg/post

    Wk 4: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post

    Wk 5: 20 mg/pre - 20mg/post

    Wk 6: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post

    Wk 7: 30 mg/pre - 30mg/post

    Wk 8: (Tues: 30 mg/pre - 20mg/post) (Thurs: 20mg/pre 10 mg/post) (Saturday: 10 mg/pre)

    It has been about 1 1/2 years since my last cycle and I'm currently 5' 11'' 195 lbs @ 8-9% BF.

    After reading through this threat I have a couple questions that have sorta been covered but, I want to confirm.

    1) I'm working out 3x a week (Tue,Thurs,Sat) and for the first week I have been taking the preworkout dose around 1 hour before my workout. My workouts generally last 35-60 minutes and I have been taking the postworkout dose around 20 minutes after the workout. Dr D and anyone else who would like to comment: Do you think this dosing time period is ok or would you dose the pre earlier,post later,etc.....?

    2) Also do you think the dosage(mg) amount combined with the length of the pulse ok?

    I look forward to the feedback and welcome any suggestions.

  11. LKL, that looks well planned to me and I think you'll get a high efficiency gain. You may be able to improve that yield a bit by specific modifications of those parameters, but the way you have it now is a solid starting point for certain.

  12. This is a great tread. Thanks Dr. D.

    I'm planning on doing an Epistane pulse cycle like LowKeyLifter. I've noticed some guys wanting to take a test booster on off days. My idea is to take IGF-2 from AppliedNutriceuticals on off days.

    What do you think?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    LKL, that looks well planned to me and I think you'll get a high efficiency gain. You may be able to improve that yield a bit by specific modifications of those parameters, but the way you have it now is a solid starting point for certain.
    Thanks for the speedy feedback Dr. D! However, you got me curious now. If you don't mind, let me know what modifications you would apply here. Whenever you get a chance of course.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by SanClem View Post
    This is a great tread. Thanks Dr. D.

    I'm planning on doing an Epistane pulse cycle like LowKeyLifter. I've noticed some guys wanting to take a test booster on off days. My idea is to take IGF-2 from AppliedNutriceuticals on off days.

    What do you think?
    Sounds good. I haven't tried IGF2, but I have used their cissus and creatine products and really enjoyed them.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by LowKeyLifter View Post
    Thanks for the speedy feedback Dr. D! However, you got me curious now. If you don't mind, let me know what modifications you would apply here. Whenever you get a chance of course.
    Well, I may kick it up to 40mg by week 3 instead of waiting till week 4, for example, but that's just an efficiency thing. If your plan yields 90% maximum efficiency let's say, timing, meals, doses, etc. can add the last 5-10% but you can't really go wrong the way you have it now. You have a very solid foundation my friend and that's a good place to start as is.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Hmmm, not a problem if your endocrine system lets you get away with it! You may not get a huge bounce though, just experiment a little and see I guess. I would think you could probably do it this way, but instead of 6-8wks, 4wks might be better if you split up doses like you plan to. You're kinda starting to move out of bounce territory with this a little, but it's a cool variant and maybe you're on to something!
    Yeah I was thinking more and more about it before you replied, I did this (SD/PP) on Wed. Fri. tweaked a little-took 7.5mg at 5pm & 15mg preworkout. Also upped starting does from 15/10 to 22.5/10 since I starting that class I told you about in less than 5 weeks. I figured I'll keep it right around 4 weeks so I am even more pleased to see that is your suggestion as well. Monday though, I shall try 22.5 preworkout and 10PP post and see if I get to bed alright if not, continue to experiment with slight modifications.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Sounds good. I haven't tried IGF2, but I have used their cissus and creatine products and really enjoyed them.
    Ok, thanks for the input.

  18. Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

    Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

    My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

    Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
    Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

    Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

    Appericate guys

    Mike

  19. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

    Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

    My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

    Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
    Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

    Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

    Appericate guys

    Mike

    I don't think I have seen that just yet bro, but nice to see ya over here nonetheless. I might be able to think of somethin fun for you man, but it might take me some time lol.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

    Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

    My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

    Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
    Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

    Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

    Appericate guys

    Mike
    WELCOME, mike!

    this is a MUCH better place for your Q!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    I don't think I have seen that just yet bro, but nice to see ya over here nonetheless. I might be able to think of somethin fun for you man, but it might take me some time lol.
    Seen what my question? PM me @ DA with ur fun idea.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    WELCOME, mike!

    this is a MUCH better place for your Q!
    Aw u did take it down LOL BB2K said u may have, no worries.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Seen what my question? PM me @ DA with ur fun idea.
    *Seen Dr. D's post on cycle support*

  24. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    *Seen Dr. D's post on cycle support*
    No does he feel the same as Dinoiii?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    No does he feel the same as Dinoiii?
    LOL! No I meant, I have yet to see it. I haven't seen it. I cant comment on it yet! That's what I was saying man lol.
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