Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike

WELCOME, mike!

this is a MUCH better place for your Q!

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

I don't think I have seen that just yet bro, but nice to see ya over here nonetheless. I might be able to think of somethin fun for you man, but it might take me some time lol.

Seen what my question? PM me @ DA with ur fun idea.

Originally Posted by macedaddy

WELCOME, mike!

this is a MUCH better place for your Q!

Aw u did take it down LOL BB2K said u may have, no worries.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Seen what my question? PM me @ DA with ur fun idea.

*Seen Dr. D's post on cycle support*

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

*Seen Dr. D's post on cycle support*

No does he feel the same as Dinoiii?

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

No does he feel the same as Dinoiii?

LOL! No I meant, I have yet to see it. I haven't seen it. I cant comment on it yet! That's what I was saying man lol.

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

LOL! No I meant, I have yet to see it. I haven't seen it. I cant comment on it yet! That's what I was saying man lol.

ummmmmmmmmmm.................

so you were saying that...........

you have seen it? or you haven't?

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Hey guys new to the fourm but not the iron game.

Dr.D or anyone else for that matter can u help me out on 2 questions. I may have missed it.

My cycle is coming up and let me know if this makes sense.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Also Dr.D I saw that u said if u run cycle support u need a serm why is that. Maybe I have misread some of Dinoiii's stuff but I thought serms could have a neg impact on ur liver and libido.

Appericate guys

Mike

I think I may have been saying that if a SERM is used, run CS and run it full strength (2 scoops/day I think). SERMs are tough on the liver and Nolva is rough on lipids too. Is Trenadrol the same active as Methoxy-TRN?

Originally Posted by DR.D

I think I may have been saying that if a SERM is used, run CS and run it full strength (2 scoops/day I think). SERMs are tough on the liver and Nolva is rough on lipids too. Is Trenadrol the same active as Methoxy-TRN?

Yeah thats what I have heard from Dinoiii about SERM's.

Trenadrol: 17b-methoxy-trienbolone 30mg

Not sure about Methoxy-TRN.

Originally Posted by DR.D

Is Trenadrol the same active as Methoxy-TRN?

Indeed

Bump for Dr.D or anyone else.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Yeah thats what I have heard from Dinoiii about SERM's.

Trenadrol: 17b-methoxy-trienbolone 30mg

Not sure about Methoxy-TRN.

17b-methoxy is Supposed to be the same thing.
"noone" really knows,.. or is at least to verify the real contents of M-TRN.
Although Trenadrol/Mega-TRN, are labeled 17b-methoxy-trienbolone.

Although, 30mg dosing sounds a lot like it's 19norandrosta,4,9,diene,3,17di one, or nor-estra stuff.
There different compounds, but their action is simular

Ok- quick question on pulsing...

I've been looking into Havoc for a pulse (whats new right)

Would the effectivness of HAvoc be reduced when using following a dbol pulse? (since the modes of action are fairly simular, in respect to activating the ER)

thanks

DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???

Leggo who makes predator?

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Leggo who makes predator?

It's no longer in production but it was made by Bioscience Technologies

Isn't predator the same as SD?

Originally Posted by papa G

Isn't predator the same as superdrol?

No, it's a Max LMG clone.

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Or pulse both on workout days.

Bump for Dr.D.

Originally Posted by Leggo my Ego

DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???

BUMP

Hey D,

Great thread!! props for always comming up with great info and revamping current trents/idea's.

Quick question if you have a min.

I plan on running a 8 week pulse cycle particularly for a lean bulker/recomp. I am stacking Pheradrol & Mega-ZOL. I have had great success with Phera on bulkers (with the typical little bloat), but have never tried ZOL.

Cycle as follows:

wk 1 pp 20mg
wk 2 pp 20mg
wk 3 pp 30mg/ zol 100mg
wk 4 pp 40mg/ zol 150mg
wk 5 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 6 pp 50mg/ zol 200mg
wk 7 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg
wk 8 pp 60mg/ zol 250mg

What do you think? A little much? These would be taken on Tues, (wed occasionly) Thurs & Sat. I would be splitting the doses for pre and post workout.

I could fit into that catagory of being a little concerned about toxic build up, but i mainly want the strength & size gains that could presumably come with higher dosing.

So, just to be on the safe side, I would be running Ai's CS, Cissus, CEE and flaxseed throughout.

After reading all this, looks like I will not need post cycle therapy. If I want to stay on that safe side, could i do a small 3wk nolva/atd/retain PCT?

Also, how would JW be as a bridge vs. Mass FX? Just curious, i was thinking of saving JW for PCT and using FX as a bridge as previously stated. Could it help or hurt to do the opposite and fun fx & hd in post cycle therapy?

Im 5-6, 190lbs, 12-15% bf (guess). My as experience is phera, superdrol, and a 6wk stack of those.

I am not really prone to gyno, but balding, yes.

thanks in advance!

I just started a 6 week Furaguno/Methyl Masterdrol 4x week pulse cycle. Here is what I have outlined:

4x week/ workout days- MMdrol
1- 10mg,20mg,20mg,30mg
2- 30mg x 4
3- 30mg x 4
4- 30mg,30mg,40mg,40mg
5- 40mg x 4
6- 40mg x 4

ED for the first 4 weeks- Furaguno 99mg

3x week/ off days- 6-OXO

Support Supps:
AI Life Support
Flax Seed Oil
Double protein intake- added Goat Protein
EFX Kre-Akalyn
EFX Nytric
Multi Vitamins
Taurine- for pumps

I'm very interested in the idea of pulsing giving you slower gains so my joints can keep up with the strengh increase. Also little to no shut down is a sweet sounding notion which D said will let you keep your gains easier w/o post cycle therapy. OK, heres the plan, I will run Anabolic Pump at 2 caps a day every day till the bottle runs out. I also have enough pp left to run a 2 week pulse. So 2 weeks pp followed by 6 weeks Havoc. Pulse will be run on Tues, Thurs, Sat on work out days. Nonwork out days I'm planning to run nettle root w/ 6oxo to help the natural test bounce back.

Pulse outlook
wk1 pp (20,30,40)
wk2 pp 40
wk3 havoc (Should I tapper this up also?) 40
wk4 havoc 40
wk5 havoc 40
wk6 havoc 40
wk7 havoc 40
wk8 havoc 40

So how does it look, This will be a cutting cycle so I'm probably going to stay on matinance cals maybe extra carbs for the Anabolic pump. Should I add anything like retain for cortisol on off days maybe? I've read this entire thread and searched alittle but am not shure how well this combo will work, or if I should use the pp at all. Nolva still on hand just in case needed, and I will do one serving of cycle support on off days. I have plenty of time this summer so I might just log this cycle to see how well pulsing works. Any opinions or critisim is welcome.

Originally Posted by Rumpnuts

I'm very interested in the idea of pulsing giving you slower gains so my joints can keep up with the strengh increase. Also little to no shut down is a sweet sounding notion which D said will let you keep your gains easier w/o post cycle therapy. OK, heres the plan, I will run Anabolic Pump at 2 caps a day every day till the bottle runs out. I also have enough pp left to run a 2 week pulse. So 2 weeks pp followed by 6 weeks Havoc. Pulse will be run on Tues, Thurs, Sat on work out days. Nonwork out days I'm planning to run nettle root w/ 6oxo to help the natural test bounce back.

Pulse outlook
wk1 pp (20,30,40)
wk2 pp 40
wk3 havoc (Should I tapper this up also?) 40
wk4 havoc 40
wk5 havoc 40
wk6 havoc 40
wk7 havoc 40
wk8 havoc 40

So how does it look, This will be a cutting cycle so I'm probably going to stay on matinance cals maybe extra carbs for the Anabolic pump. Should I add anything like retain for cortisol on off days maybe? I've read this entire thread and searched alittle but am not shure how well this combo will work, or if I should use the pp at all. Nolva still on hand just in case needed, and I will do one serving of cycle support on off days. I have plenty of time this summer so I might just log this cycle to see how well pulsing works. Any opinions or critisim is welcome.

It looks good to me. I pulsed last year a lot, and am pulsing this summer also. Pulsing is awsome. In my opinion I wouldnt even use the nettle root and 6-oxo on off days. The bounce back on off days is really good. My balls are bigger pulsing than they are normally! I am not over-exagerating either. I take a nap every afternoon for a couple of hours and I always get a special visit. Even at the end of a pulse, these "special" visits are still present. I would say that you dont have to worry about it. By the third week of a pulse you feel pretty "on", even on off days. Dont worry about. I mean, I dont think all these other supps will hert. I just think you should save your money and buy more epi and superdrol, lol. JK of course, but just save the money and spend it on supps for when your not pulsing.

Originally Posted by skinnyJ

I just started a 6 week Furaguno/Methyl Masterdrol 4x week pulse cycle. Here is what I have outlined:

4x week/ workout days- MMdrol
1- 10mg,20mg,20mg,30mg
2- 30mg x 4
3- 30mg x 4
4- 30mg,30mg,40mg,40mg
5- 40mg x 4
6- 40mg x 4

ED for the first 4 weeks- Furaguno 99mg

3x week/ off days- 6-OXO

Support Supps:
AI Life Support
Flax Seed Oil
Double protein intake- added Goat Protein
EFX Kre-Akalyn
EFX Nytric
Multi Vitamins
Taurine- for pumps

Any opinons on this?

Originally Posted by skinnyJ

Any opinons on this?

Get in line man!! lol

Dr. D or someone else farmilar will chime in soon.

I'm not farmilar with your compound, but the overall scheme looks good. I plan on using a bridge too, but ill heed harold's advice, i may not even use a bridge if im feeling good.

Goat Protein? Just to beef up your shake? Ive hear of adding a ton of things and straight egg whey, but that i have not.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Bump for Dr.D or anyone else.

I still haven't tested it and I'm just not sure. I suspect they're different.

Originally Posted by xtraflossy

Ok- quick question on pulsing...

I've been looking into Havoc for a pulse (whats new right)

Would the effectivness of HAvoc be reduced when using following a dbol pulse? (since the modes of action are fairly simular, in respect to activating the ER)

thanks

Yeah, I think so. I have tried Havoc the last 2 wks but not on a pulse. It would best be applied as the pre-w/o dose of a double methyl pulse stack IMO, then using something like dbol or SD post-w/o.

Originally Posted by Leggo my Ego

DR. D Would it be silly to pulse on workout days (mon. wed. fri.) : methoxy tst, orastan-e and predator (max-lmg clone).


------ pre/post wo - pre/post wo - pre/post wo
week - predator --- orastan --- methoxy tst
**1 - 25mg/25mg - 25mg/50mg - 2mg/ 4mg
**2 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/4mg
**3 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**4 - 25mg/50mg - 50mg/50mg - 4mg/6mg
**5 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg
**6 - 50mg/50mg - 50mg/75mg - 4mg/6mg

Off days I would take Retain and Alpha Drive XL 3 caps per day of each (spaced evenly)

The thought of this intrigues me but ...???

Maybe this is ridiculous but it seems awesome to me. None of the above are methyls but still that's alot of milligrams of oral hormones all at once. I think this protocol would work well.

Anyone feel free to chime in with your thoughts... xtraflossy???

Looks like a good non-methyl plan! It's worth a shot for sure. Prostan always worked fast for me so I don't see why not.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Trenadrol- 4 weeks @ 60mg ED
Superdrol- Pulsed 3x week @ 20-30mg

Or pulse both on workout days.

Bump for Dr.D.

Man, I just don't get the 60mg part! I thought this stuff was like 2mg/cap on most brands? I can't advise on it when I don't know what it is and haven't tried it! That makes me nervous. I don't wanna give you bad advice bro.