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    Spring to Summer Cycle ideas and questions


    Hey guys, check you the word doc I have attached here.

    There are 3 questions I am still trying to figure out...

    1.) Should I kick start this cycle with Havoc, Phera or SDrol? Just looking for opinions

    2.) As I am prone to gyno(i think), should I run low doses of Nolva (10mgs ED) or ATD (25mgs ED)? I keep finding contradicting opinions

    3.) As far as the IGF-1 goes, on non-workout days, would pinning sub-q make sense? If not, then what would you do?

    And anything else you'd want to rag on me about, but I think this looks pretty good...

    Appreciate any help,
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    Looks pretty good.

    If I were you, I would opt for arimidex over ATD.

    SD or PP will be fine to jumpstart with.
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    I'm gonna use either Nolva or the ATD...i have both already and don't really feel like spending any more $$$...
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    I'd run the Test for longer PI. I realize that 10 weeks was/is most likely the most convenient purchase as it often comes in that dosage, but I'd pick up more to extend to at least 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I'd run the Test for longer PI. I realize that 10 weeks was/is most likely the most convenient purchase as it often comes in that dosage, but I'd pick up more to extend to at least 12.
    12 seems perfect to me. Most gains come from weeks 5-10.

    Also, keep in mind that even a slightly overfilled 10ml vial will only give you 9 seperate 1ml shots. there is about a 10% loss so you will likely need another vial anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattHines View Post
    12 seems perfect to me. Most gains come from weeks 5-10.

    Also, keep in mind that even a slightly overfilled 10ml vial will only give you 9 seperate 1ml shots. there is about a 10% loss so you will likely need another vial anyway.
    Exactly. I was figuring they are two 10ml vials at 250mg/ml. Grab that extra vial homie!
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    I was actually getting amps...20, 250ml amps...but maybe i'll kick that up to 24...

    let me play with the numbers...
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    If that's the case, i'm probably going to drop the IGF-1 and pick up 3, 250mlx10 vials...
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    Vials are much better all around. If I ever HAD TO buy amps, I would prolly get a sterile vial and put them all in the vial.

    Either way, get vials if you can and you will need 30ml of Test E.

    If you get amps, you can just use up 1 full amp for each inject. You will probably get a little less than 250mg but no biggie
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    it will look like this...

    TestE 500mgs Weeks 1-12
    PP/SD/Havoc Weeks 1-4
    TRN 4/4/6/6 Weeks 11-14
    ZOL 150/200/200/250/250 Weeks 10-14

    PCT will be Weeks 15-18:
    Torem 120/80/60/40
    Retain 3/3/3/3
    Anabolic Pump 3/3/3/3 (until bottle is gone)
    Nutra's Horney Jack Mack Stack
    Cee
    BCAAs



    ...And I will run Lipo-Ultra/Clen one week on, one off starting week 8 @ 8 pumps twice a day on obliques.

    ...Cycle support will be run accordingly when taking orals.



    Now I am left with 2 questions...what to kick start it...PP, SD or Havoc...just give me your damn opinion...

    and do I run ATD or nolva for gyno prevention...again, give me your damn opinions...
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    PCT looks AWESOME and the cycle looks pretty good. My only concern is stacking all the methylated orals. It will cause more sides with the same benefit. Sd and PP are very strong. Choose one and run it as a jumpstarter. 20-30mg ED is all u will need.
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    yea, matt read the post again...i wanted to get som opinions as to which of those three i should use...i'm torn, Phera is my first love...SD will definately blow me up and i've dealt with the sides pretty easily in the past...and Havoc seems to be getting great feedback with much less sides...
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    wow very similar to what i ran last spring/summer

    i did....

    1-13 test enanthate 720mg
    1-4 superdrol 30mg
    10-15 mega-zol 200-250mg
    12-15 mega-trn 6mg
    8-9, 11-12 clen pyramids 20mcg to 120mcg

    i loved this cycle...as i love test and superdrol...

    however, i didn't feel the zol or trn did a thing for me...those weeks when the same as my usual ending of test enanthate is....no weight gain...minimal strength increases (i attribute to test)

    my opinion.....superdrol, test, clen 2 on 2 off, and EPISTANE to prevent gyno!
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    hmmm...sounds good...how long would you guys stay on test for the first time around?
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    I think I decided on Superdrol, I've been wanting to give it another go...
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    lol..That's great Tom, but seriously dude, put on some ****ing pants.

    PI, I'd kick it off with the S.D., I had some pretty amazing results with that.
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    I agree with Tom. Trn/Zol is crap...SD is the real deal.

    I'd start it off with 4 weeks off SD if I were you. Nothing will blow you up that quick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    lol..That's great Tom, but seriously dude, put on some ****ing pants.

    PI, I'd kick it off with the S.D., I had some pretty amazing results with that.
    Or simply add 115 to your name and go slaughter ancient civilizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    hmmm...sounds good...how long would you guys stay on test for the first time around?
    10-12 weeks....good choices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    lol..That's great Tom, but seriously dude, put on some ****ing pants.
    Hahahah yea i should probably re-crop that...a girl took it on her cell phone and sent it to me...could've been worse hah
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er View Post
    Or simply add 115 to your name and go slaughter ancient civilizations.
    no idea what this means? but assuming its a shot at me.....
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    12 it is...

    Now onto the last question...ATD or nolva for gyno prevention...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 185 View Post
    no idea what this means? but assuming its a shot at me.....
    The abs comment, the movie 300, 185 + 115 = 300. An ancient killer movie, with a killer set of abs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er View Post
    The abs comment, the movie 300, 185 + 115 = 300. An ancient killer movie, with a killer set of abs.
    ahh haha so its actually a compliment i guess...my bad...i think i'm the only person who hasn't seen that movie yet
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    can we take the homoerotism out of this?
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    Sorry for manjacking your thread, please continue.
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