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stacking epistane

Good questions. Epistane/Havoc are the buzz words lately indeed, and I believe for good reason. Ive got a few more, some might seem silly, others may get people thinking of even better questions, so I'll just throw them out and see what the responses are:

1-max length in weeks of epistane/havoc at high doses(30-40+mg not 10mg just for e control) how long is just right 4-6-8 weeks? longer??

2-epi base oral cycle-ie: epi 6 weeks, with 1-3sd, 4-6 pp or hd or some other combo.

3-epi with inj test, how long/when to add/start the epi

4-just orals-how much is too much-ie: epi week1-8 10,20,30,40-40, sd week1-3 10,20,30, hd week4-6, 50ed, prostan week2-7, 100-250 ed,(too much?? just throwing it out there for comments)

These arent recommendations, just some things Ive been pondering.:D
 
testosteronet said:
starting tomorrow I will be stacking halo at 25mg, epi at 20mg, and zol at 100mg for about 20 days then I will ramp down the epi to 10mg and ramp up the halo to 50 for 10 days...zol at 100mg throughout...goal of this March cycle...RECOMP...
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just out of curiousity what are your goals with that cycle. I have halodrol and winztrol for a recomp but I am starting to think that adding epistane wouldnt be such a bad idea. could you detail your proposed cycle. thanks
 
I am plusing Epistane with PP,SD, and HD. My main thing is Epistane but im dong all 4. SD,PP and HD are just for 1.5 weeks mid cycle. I feel greatl.
 
I have not yet used epistane or havoc, although I have stocked some away.

I don't mean to be a di*k, but isn't a little early in the game to be considering stacking epistane or havoc with a second or third methyl, especially SD, unless you have either run it solo first, or if you beleive you must stack it, instead consider using it in conjunction with non-methyl alternatives such as an injectable or nonmethylated orals?

Just an idea to consider. It seems from the logs and user feedback available that epistane and havoc are showing solid anabolic profiles without the need to stack them with other methyls. why take this risk? it seems this topic has been popping up recently and perhaps pause is called for by us in considering how best to employ these items within our usage at this time.
anyway-just my thoughts proceed with your own.
 
I sure don't see how running PP or HD for 1.5 weeks will do anything except to add stress to your liver.
 
I have noticed a difference. I feel more focused and I am forcing my self to lift harder.
 
djbombsquad said:
I am plusing Epistane with PP,superdrol, and HD. My main thing is Epistane but im dong all 4. SD,PP and HD are just for 1.5 weeks mid cycle. I feel greatl.
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hey to each his own but i stick to a rule - dont stack 2 methylated PH/AAS together. havoc is methylated so i would not recommend stacking it with PP/SD/halo or all 3! (for god's sake!), i think people read that havoc does not cause as much shutdown/gyno and typically has less sides than those listed above, so they immediately begin thinking - what can i stack with it? havoc/epi produce very dry/lean gains, adding something like TST would be a great idea. maybe even some TRN or Zol before something like SD/halo/PP but to each his own right? your body, your old enough to make your own decisions. common gains for 4wk. cycle are between 10-15lb for users i have talked to (avg. being 13lb gained) with increase in vascularity/strength... how much more do you want to gain in a month ya know?!?

i think stacking it for the first 4 weeks of a 10-12 week inject cycle of Test E. or C. would add to a sweet start.:cheers:
 
RoadBlocK said:
Good questions. Epistane/Havoc are the buzz words lately indeed, and I believe for good reason. Ive got a few more, some might seem silly, others may get people thinking of even better questions, so I'll just throw them out and see what the responses are:

1-max length in weeks of epistane/havoc at high doses(30-40+mg not 10mg just for e control) how long is just right 4-6-8 weeks? longer??

2-epi base oral cycle-ie: epi 6 weeks, with 1-3sd, 4-6 pp or hd or some other combo.

3-epi with inj test, how long/when to add/start the epi

4-just orals-how much is too much-ie: epi week1-8 10,20,30,40-40, superdrol week1-3 10,20,30, hd week4-6, 50ed, prostan week2-7, 100-250 ed,(too much?? just throwing it out there for comments)

These arent recommendations, just some things Ive been pondering.:D
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great questions..reps to you



I am running 15 weeks of test enanthate

Will run epistane 9-16 (8 weeks)
starting at 30mg and may reach 50mg

Currently in week 7
 
sweet-physique said:
I have not yet used epistane or havoc, although I have stocked some away.

I don't mean to be a di*k, but isn't a little early in the game to be considering stacking epistane or havoc with a second or third methyl, especially superdrol, unless you have either run it solo first, or if you beleive you must stack it, instead consider using it in conjunction with non-methyl alternatives such as an injectable or nonmethylated orals?

Just an idea to consider. It seems from the logs and user feedback available that epistane and havoc are showing solid anabolic profiles without the need to stack them with other methyls. why take this risk? it seems this topic has been popping up recently and perhaps pause is called for by us in considering how best to employ these items within our usage at this time.
anyway-just my thoughts proceed with your own.
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The best thing about Epi is that it is very, very clean for the gains it provides. It is not as hard on the liver as some of the others mentioned (though I never did any labwork on pheraplex), and should make you feel great and not give too many sides at all. I've stacked numerous methyl combinations, and it is scary to see what your liver enzyme #'s can get to. I was younger then, and stupid, and a bit of an anabolicaholic. It's not worth hurting yourself to gain an extra pound or two. Also, there's a certain point where stacking too many things can hinder your training. Like when you get to the gym and hit 3 sets of chest or back or arms, and your arms are so pumped that you can literally hardly bend them. Or when you hit one set of squats and you get a lower back pump so bad that you feel like your gonna puke and can hardly walk. I've been there.

Epi should be stacked with injectable (or trans) test or 4AD for awesome gains, feeling great, and not screwing yourself up.
 
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