Arimidex slow gains?
- 02-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Arimidex slow gains?
I was reading this article here:
Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Arimidex (Anastrozole) Profile!
I got the impression from it that arimidex seriously hindered gains.
Do you think a dose as small as .25 mg EOD would slow gains?
Also do you think arimidex is nesassary in a 400 mg test-e per week cycle? I'm looking to control my blood preasure a bit more, and I thought that it could help.
- 02-20-2007, 06:25 PM
Is it necessary for your cycle? THat depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Keep the bloat down? Then yeah... avoid gyno, no. You may not even be gyno prone.
Honestly, with test, I say embrace the bloat, helps keep you super saturated, and the gains will come fast. Water will shed at the end.
As for blood pressure... are you not taking cycle support by anabolic innovations?
If not I suggest doing so.
AdamsThe Historic PES Legend
02-20-2007, 06:33 PM
I often wonder if it is enough. I also take 15 fish oils a day, muti vitamin, potassium, and more hawthorn berry on top of that.
I don't think the cuff on my blood preasure monitor fits me well. My dystolic is always close to the same, around 60. But my sys jumps around after every take. I think the cuff is too small for my arm.
One reading I got 142/ 61 3 minutes later I get 117 / 60
02-20-2007, 06:39 PM
02-20-2007, 07:34 PM
Its a fine line and challenging balance when taking something like Arimidex. It takes some time for dose changes to manifest themselves. With Test and/or any aromatising androgen the estrogen potentiates negative sides of sodium and carbs resulting in some additional bloat. So arimidex may help but so would sodium and carb control or modifications as well.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, is stick to a set dose. Likely really no more than .25 to .5 EOD for this cycle. Unless you have done many cycles to compare it to you do not have any barometer for what is going to work. You can employ more or less next time around. After about a week or two post cycle, you will loose water and see lbm, and if you are like me, say to yourself..."that bloat was no thing"
If BP is a serious issue for you, and obviously a health risk, the use of steroids is always a serious concern regardless of ancillaries employed.
Life is a terminal condition.
02-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanks for the reply bro.
BP isn't a serious risk for me I do not believe. I started with very low blood preasure and from what I can tell, I haven't gone much above that. I'd just really like to keep it under control. I read countless threads where guys BP gets up to ungodly numbers, and that sort of thing just scares me. I figured I'd prepare myself properly.
So you think .25 EOD won't kill my gains?
As far as the health risk; I believe almost anything is a calculated risk of some sort, and that hopefully for me the value is worth the risk.
02-20-2007, 07:47 PM
A lot of this is anecdotal. But, in theory, estrogen does potentiate gains. Does it, for you, in reality...you'll find out by experimenting. This won't be your last cycle...
Life is a terminal condition.
02-20-2007, 07:53 PM
02-20-2007, 07:54 PM
The main problem with A'Dex or any other AI for that matter is they may negate Estrogen's very positive anabolic effects. Low ER1 activity can seriously inhibit GLUT4 expression in muscle cells; GLUT4 is essentially the glucose gate keeper for muscle cells. As well, and if I am not mistaken, Estrogen upregulates androgen receptors, so completely killing it has a double-prong effect in terms of slowing gains.
02-20-2007, 07:55 PM
02-20-2007, 07:58 PM
02-21-2007, 03:39 AM
As Mullet said, dont take my word as gospel, but taking your cycle support should alleviate the issues you are worried about, aside from the bloat. I say embrace the bloat... it makes for a highly anabolic environment. You may not even be sensitive to higher estrogen levels.
You will need to learn the environment within your body before you dose such a strong drug. IF any issues do arise, they can be countered very easily, provided you have the proper ancillaries.
The Historic PES Legend
02-21-2007, 02:52 PM
I think the only way it "hinders gains" is by decreasing the bloat. Bloat is an increase in size so people equate that to gains. In reality, you will lose all bloat once the cycle is over. Whats the point to putting on all the waterweight and then looking like you shrink when you come off? I have seen extreme bloat cause stretchmarks and I prefer to use an AI.
It will lessen the risk of estrogenic sides and control bloat. Just use a small dose. .25mg-.5mg EOD is fine for this cycle
02-21-2007, 03:01 PM
Unless you are very prone to gyno, then I don't think that Adex will be needed. Estrogen is helpful (to an extent) while on-cycle. Lowered estrogen can also have negative effects on your lipids.
02-21-2007, 04:22 PM
I'll also dig up some studies displaying how Estorgen upregulates the Androgen Receptor. It's not just the bloat, Estrogen is a key player in anabolism.Originally Posted by Ziricote
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