17-Methyl 1-Test

**Kitchen Chemist** · 05-31-2003 04:18 AM

http://www.vialsandcrimpers.com/page20.html

What are your guys thoughts on this? I saw curt post something about methylated 1-test and was wondering if this is what he was talking about?

**windwords7** · 05-31-2003 10:03 AM

Probably a killer on the liver.

**Alpha Dog** · 05-31-2003 10:37 AM

Originally posted by windwords7
Probably a killer on the liver.

Probably. But it will be orally active.

**wojo** · 05-31-2003 12:40 PM

im sold

**jweave23** · 05-31-2003 03:36 PM

I may get some, not sure yet. It could be hard on the liver yes, but I'm thinking with some Milk Thistle, vitamin C, and r-ala....down the hatch!!

**Jedi Master** · 05-31-2003 04:37 PM

This is why ph's are probably going to be banned. Isnt that the same oral deliver as d-bol? If so why wouldnt you just go with transdermal?

**Kitchen Chemist** · 05-31-2003 04:45 PM

????????? Why go with transdermal if the price is right? We are all about saving money, would be harder on the liver as most orals are but you'd only run it for 4 weeks or so anyways. Ph's have been on the brink of getting band for a long time, all these companies are coming out with different versions to milk it for what its worth for the time being. I don't think this would have any outcome on the banning of ph's IMO.

**wojo** · 05-31-2003 04:45 PM

its orally active and easier than rubbing a gel on urself 2x a day

**windwords7** · 05-31-2003 04:49 PM

I would need to see the hepatic toxicity levels before even considering it. There are somethings that are just not worth the negatives that they can produce. Their is little reason to deviate from the bread and butter of either the PH or AAS sides of life ever. The basics will make you grow and keep you healty as long as you dont screw up!

**Jedi Master** · 05-31-2003 05:25 PM

WHo said I didnt like saving money? I have a lifestyle to maintain here. Anyways if I were going to take a ph that damages my liver as much as d-bol......Id rather just take d-bol. WHy wouldnt you just up the grams of 1-test in a transdermal and get the same effects? I know rubbing on a trans twice a day gets old after a while, but its usually only for 4 weeks, and is way less stressful on your liver. But then again I dont have a BA in prohormoneology, so I could be wrong.

**Dwight Schrute** · 05-31-2003 05:36 PM

Originally posted by windwords7
I would need to see the hepatic toxicity levels before even considering it. There are somethings that are just not worth the negatives that they can produce. Their is little reason to deviate from the bread and butter of either the PH or AAS sides of life ever. The basics will make you grow and keep you healty as long as you dont screw up!

What oral AAS has shown to be hepatoxic?

**Dwight Schrute** · 05-31-2003 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master
WHo said I didnt like saving money? I have a lifestyle to maintain here. Anyways if I were going to take a ph that damages my liver as much as d-bol......Id rather just take d-bol. WHy wouldnt you just up the grams of 1-test in a transdermal and get the same effects? I know rubbing on a trans twice a day gets old after a while, but its usually only for 4 weeks, and is way less stressful on your liver. But then again I dont have a BA in prohormoneology, so I could be wrong.

Yes you are wrong. Show me one study showing D-bol to be hepatoxic when used properly? Actually better yet show me one study using D-Rol that shows it to be hepatoxic.

You people need to stop spreading these bull**** myths about your liver failling out and how bad orals are on your liver. It has no basis whatsoever.

**windwords7** · 05-31-2003 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

What oral AAS has shown to be hepatoxic?

Some things are harder than others on the ole' liver. I would like to see where 17AA 1T falls in this spectrum.

**Kitchen Chemist** · 05-31-2003 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master
WHo said I didnt like saving money? I have a lifestyle to maintain here. Anyways if I were going to take a ph that damages my liver as much as d-bol......Id rather just take d-bol. WHy wouldnt you just up the grams of 1-test in a transdermal and get the same effects? I know rubbing on a trans twice a day gets old after a while, but its usually only for 4 weeks, and is way less stressful on your liver. But then again I dont have a BA in prohormoneology, so I could be wrong.

Yeah, but many use ph's for the legal alternative. D-bol also is a different drug alltogether, 1-test is cleaner for gains etc.

**Kitchen Chemist** · 05-31-2003 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Bobo
You people need to stop spreading these bull**** myths about your liver failling out and how bad orals are on your liver. It has no basis whatsoever.

Agreed bobo.

**windwords7** · 05-31-2003 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

You people need to stop spreading these bull**** myths about your liver failling out and how bad orals are on your liver. It has no basis whatsoever.

Define you people....

**Dwight Schrute** · 05-31-2003 05:43 PM

Originally posted by windwords7

Some things are harder than others on the ole' liver. I would like to see where 17AA 1T falls in this spectrum.

Some things are harder on the liver because of the doses used. D-Rol is harder because you take 100-150mg/day. It depends on the molecular weight. THere isn't some magic property of D-rol that makes it more toxic.

**Dwight Schrute** · 05-31-2003 05:45 PM

Originally posted by windwords7

Define you people....

People that claim orals are hepatoxic and that orals cause liver damage. They stress the liver more just like alcohol and a million other things. Abuse cause liver damage, not some magic property of oral steroids.

**windwords7** · 05-31-2003 05:46 PM

All I'm saying is that some things are harder on the body than others and yes its dosage dependant. Drink in moderation and your fine, drink in excess and you can damage yourself. HOWEVER, drinking excess in beer is NOT as likely to cause damage than driking excess of Jack. That's what I mean by spectrum of ability to cause damage.

**Dwight Schrute** · 05-31-2003 05:51 PM

They are harder on the body because of the amount. Compare the amount of Jack you do compared to the amount beer. So claiming 1-test is harder on the liver isn't accurate because the dosage needed is less. There isn't one case of hepatoxicity of orals steroids. The only remotely close is a 14yr old girl taking 100's of mg of D-rol for some disease she had. And she took if for years and had preexisting liver problems. AIDS patients use orals everyday (var) so if it was that bad, they wouldn't be taking it.

""here is our discusion with a gifted chemist :

>do you think liver toxicity of orals has to do with number of >molcules or each
oral has different toxicity rate regardless of >number of molcules ?

the amount of liver stress is equal for any
steroid, but not with respect to milligrams, but with respect to molecules. You
know, every different steroid has a slightly different molecular weight, and
this you will have to take into account. Furazabol, OT and stanozolol are MUCH
heavier per molecule than methyltestosterone, for example, so 50mg of OT are
less toxic than 50mg of Methyltest. See, the always-claimed extreme toxicity of
oxymetholone is mainly due to the high doses that are commonly taken - most
athletes use 100-150mg per day, whereas 25-30mg of DBol are a common dosage.

>i mean is 50 mg of oxemtheolone less toxic than 50 mg of >methandienone ?

Their molecular weight it quite similar, so you can compare liver toxicity of
both.

>also do you know anything on methlytrienbolone ? i heard dose is >only 2 mg ?

No, effective dose is 5-15 mg a day. For mibolerone (cheque drops) it is much
less as this is only used for mental effects (makes you extremely aggressive;
Mike Tyson is said to have it used before the ear-bite).

>how is it possible Oxandrolone is sythesised outside of liver >and less toxic
as said by grundig in his book ? i think its not true because i can not find any
info backing this and research on aids patients by Medline say its more toxic
than oxymetholone on per mg basis ..

What Grundig says is definitely wrong. I don´t know about liver toxicity of
oxandrolone exactly, as oxandrolone has a modified steroid backbone and is
therefore metabolized by a different pathway, I think."

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