Does Havoc=Epistane?

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    Does Havoc=Epistane?


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    yes, look at the compounds
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    Epistane = 2a,3a-Epithio-17a-methyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstane

    Havoc = 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol


    Looks like it to me...
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    slight differences mean different product, no?

    chemical structure is important.....

    We had similar issues when FX came out people thought all these other compounds were the same thing.....
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    Mace, I believe they are the same, just written up differently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    Mace, I believe they are the same, just written up differently...
    yup.
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    Well, i am adding HAvoc into my current stack, so we will see!
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    methyl...


    I am trying to figure this one out...I can't quite figure out what this is compared to...I have read that it's an anti-e...so...how would one compare this to something like halodrol...I take it that there's no bloat so to me it can't really be compared to superdrol or phera...what does everyone else thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertest
    I am trying to figure this one out...I can't quite figure out what this is compared to...I have read that it's an anti-e...so...how would one compare this to something like halodrol...I take it that there's no bloat so to me it can't really be compared to superdrol or phera...what does everyone else thing?
    Check out my forum (Dr.D's corner...) at IBE's home board.

    I have posted bloodwork and answered a lot of these questions already, including the one you just asked. Plus people have logs going now too! If you have additional questions that have not yet been answered, ask it over there please.
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    thanks


    thanks Dr. D...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Check out my forum (Dr.D's corner...) at IBE's home board.

    I have posted bloodwork and answered a lot of these questions already, including the one you just asked. Plus people have logs going now too! If you have additional questions that have not yet been answered, ask it over there please.
    I must be dumb--but I cant find your fourm--can I get a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy
    slight differences mean different product, no?

    chemical structure is important.....

    We had similar issues when FX came out people thought all these other compounds were the same thing.....
    Identical compounds.

    -ol and -hydroxy are both referring to an OH group at position 17. Just written differently.
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