Phera Plex - occasional sexual aid?

[Hyde12]

I will probably get flamed for this but how stupid would it be to use Phera Plex as an occasional sexual aid? I know that I get stupid horny off the stuff and It doesnt seem like it shuts me down a lot even after two weeks. It would seem like if I just took maybe one occasionally that it would'nt shut me down?

 

[bigred869]

I will probably get flamed for this but how stupid would it be to use Phera Plex as an occasional sexual aid? I know that I get stupid horny off the stuff and It doesnt seem like it shuts me down a lot even after two weeks. It would seem like if I just took maybe one occasionally that it would'nt shut me down?

I think it would be stupid because PP turns into a hormone and hormones mess with your HPTA. You either want to be shut down or up-and-running at 100% efficiency, not inbetween.

There's tons of stuff out there to jumpstart libido. Look into yohimbine and phenibut. Supposedly Mass FX does the trick too, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Hyde12]

I think it would be stupid because PP turns into a hormone and hormones mess with your HPTA. You either want to be shut down or up-and-running at 100% efficiency, not inbetween.

There's tons of stuff out there to jumpstart libido. Look into yohimbine and phenibut. Supposedly Mass FX does the trick too, but don't quote me on that.

My nuts just arent working right anyway because of a Varicocele and none of the natural test boosters will work for me ( I have tried everything and I mean everything)

 

[bigred869]

My nuts just arent working right anyway because of a Varicocele and none of the natural test boosters will work for me ( I have tried everything and I mean everything)

Well my nuts didn't work for a long time either. Have you tried Clomid at 100mg/day for about a month?

 

[ECTOmorph]

Stupid idea....PP is a methyl

Maybe HCG or Clomid....hell Test E would prolly be a better idea

 

[Hyde12]

tried clomid. My nuts did not respond. I also tried Torm, no luck with that either. I figured Im already shut down anyway. At least this way I will have some mojo. Im not talking about doing a cycle just maybe 10 mg once a week or something. Ive had low test and low DHT for about 6 months and I have been miserable and Im at the end of my rope with this. I am going to ask the urologist when I see him next week if TRT is an option at least until they can fix the Varicocele.

 

[bigred869]

TRT is fine... if you aren't planning on having any kids.

 

[somewhatgifted]

Dont bother, you will just end up riding a hormonal rollercoaster. You need even levels to maintain consistent hormone function, try a good NO product pre sex much like you would pre workout. blood flow is going to fill your member the best and you dont need hormones to do that unless there is an underlying problem, if so then try to fix the problem first.

 

[TeamSavage]

I will probably get flamed for this but how stupid would it be to use Phera Plex as an occasional sexual aid? I know that I get stupid horny off the stuff and It doesnt seem like it shuts me down a lot even after two weeks. It would seem like if I just took maybe one occasionally that it would'nt shut me down?

I think the keyword here is "occasional". If you are really only using it one night every week or two, then I seriously doubt it would cause any shutdown or mess with your hormones at all. And while it is methylated... so what if you're only taking a couple doses a month? People take it 2-3x daily for 4-6 weeks, and even then many don't experience much liver stress (although some do).

I'm not saying it's the best solution, but if it's really "occasional" then it's far from the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

But if by "occasional" you mean 2-3x or more per week, then I agree with everyone else that it's a stupid idea.

 

[Hyde12]

I think the keyword here is "occasional". If you are really only using it one night every week or two, then I seriously doubt it would cause any shutdown or mess with your hormones at all. And while it is methylated... so what if you're only taking a couple doses a month? People take it 2-3x daily for 4-6 weeks, and even then many don't experience much liver stress (although some do).

I'm not saying it's the best solution, but if it's really "occasional" then it's far from the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

But if by "occasional" you mean 2-3x or more per week, then I agree with everyone else that it's a stupid idea.

Yeah im only going to do it 2-3 times per week. Ive done phera and superdrol before for 8 weeks and didnt have any liver problems and I even had blood work to prove it. About the whole TRT thing, well I already have two kids and Im not going to have anymore anyway because I had a vasectomey so Im not worried about infertility.

 

[gogo]

Yeah im only going to do it 2-3 times per week. Ive done phera and superdrol before for 8 weeks and didnt have any liver problems and I even had blood work to prove it. About the whole TRT thing, well I already have two kids and Im not going to have anymore anyway because I had a vasectomey so Im not worried about infertility.

You should def look into just cruising at 250 mg/week of test e or c .... go to a doc and get looked at, then you can get it legally

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Yeah im only going to do it 2-3 times per week. Ive done phera and superdrol before for 8 weeks and didnt have any liver problems and I even had blood work to prove it. About the whole TRT thing, well I already have two kids and Im not going to have anymore anyway because I had a vasectomey so Im not worried about infertility.

Then, as Savage stated, it's a stupid idea.

2-3x a month = Low likelihood of shutdown, if at all
2-3x a week = Fair likelihood of shutdown.

What you have to understand, is that even if you do not 'feel' shutdown, if you are injesting exogeneous hormones there is a fair likelihood you are. If you have an underlying hormonal imbalance which is causing ED, this experiment will only worsen the situation.

Which leads me to my next point, you must make the distinction between a libido issue and an erectile dysfunction; these two conditions are completely different, the former is mental, the latter physical.

 

[TeamSavage]

Yeah im only going to do it 2-3 times per week. Ive done phera and superdrol before for 8 weeks and didnt have any liver problems and I even had blood work to prove it. About the whole TRT thing, well I already have two kids and Im not going to have anymore anyway because I had a vasectomey so Im not worried about infertility.

I doubt 2-3x per week would cause true shutdown in the long-term, but it would probably cause some degree of inhibition and would almost certainly screw with your natural hormones.

TRT is a much better idea, IMO.

 

[zed]

try maca, vero max(get it at wall mart), and sildenafil citrate(viagra).. trust me you wont feel the need to take phera occasionally which will continue to keep you in a low test/shut down state. Definately try to fix the deep rooted problem and figure out where you are at through a blood test. But for the quick fix you wont be disappointed with that combo. the maca will give you big loads, vero max help overall libido, and sild ( available as a rc) taken right before is a proven fix.

 

[Moyer]

I would much rather take Cialis or Viagra than PP. Ask your doc or look into the research chem version.

 

[aspire210]

Ironically, DMT was once marketed as a sexual aide. It was called Dominator for anyone up on their ALRI/"FUNIndustries" trivia. I have a bottle with the great slogan to "One pill and you'll give her a thrill." As everyone said, once in a while no big deal. 2-3x a week is asking for trouble though, but if you get the TRT, then it won't hurt. Too everyone who recommends viagra, I HATE that stuff. Worst headache I have EVER had, that was definately an experiment I won't repeat, unless I have a 3-sum planned or something else where I am under alot of pressure to perform for a looooong time. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Hyde12]

Ironically, DMT was once marketed as a sexual aide. It was called Dominator for anyone up on their ALRI/"FUNIndustries" trivia. I have a bottle with the great slogan to "One pill and you'll give her a thrill." As everyone said, once in a while no big deal. 2-3x a week is asking for trouble though, but if you get the TRT, then it won't hurt. Too everyone who recommends viagra, I HATE that stuff. Worst headache I have EVER had, that was definately an experiment I won't repeat, unless I have a 3-sum planned or something else where I am under alot of pressure to perform for a looooong time. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide.

I keep telling everyone that im shut down from the varicocele and no amount of herbs/clomid/torm/6-oxo/zma is going to raise my testosterone because the plumbing just isnt working right. I got a doctors appointment on monday for a consultation so hopefully he will be cool and get me fixed. Oh, and I hate viagra too. My problem is with Testosterone. When there is no libido then it will be physically hard to achieve and maintain an erection.

 

[TeamSavage]

I keep telling everyone that im shut down from the varicocele and no amount of herbs/clomid/torm/6-oxo/zma is going to raise my testosterone because the plumbing just isnt working right. I got a doctors appointment on monday for a consultation so hopefully he will be cool and get me fixed. Oh, and I hate viagra too. My problem is with Testosterone. When there is no libido then it will be physically hard to achieve and maintain an erection.

Since your production is shutdown from the varicocele then it should be pretty darn easy to get a prescription for test. Most MDs would probably take one look at your ball and write the prescription. I think this really does make a lot more sense... why mess around with PP to have temporary libido when you can shoot test every couple weeks, which is much safer, and have libido all the time?

 

[jmh80]

I agree w/ Savage that, for you, it's fine to take PP a few times a week.
I mean - SuperSoldier showed us (a long time ago) that it took 3 straight days of M1T to shut down test production. That was for someone who's body was fine.

For you, it should be fine since your libido sucks anyway.

But - I would pursue the testosterone option. (Or Cialis if they won't give you a 'script.)

 

[Irish Cannon]

Why the heck wouldn't you just buy some Cialis?

It's not like simply taking 10mg of the product will give you an insane sex drive. The compound has to build up in your body. If it worked right away, you could take 30mg of PP right before leg day and throw up some heavy weight.

 

[jcam222]

Why the heck wouldn't you just buy some Cialis?

It's not like simply taking 10mg of the product will give you an insane sex drive. The compound has to build up in your body. If it worked right away, you could take 30mg of PP right before leg day and throw up some heavy weight.

I dont believe that Cialis is the answer to his issue. I believe he is saying that because of non existent test levels he has no libido. Without libido a hardon is still a pretty useless thing. jmo

The answer here is likely a good dr managed HRT

 

[bigred869]

I don't think simply Cialis or Viagra is going to fix the problem. If your HPTA is messed up, you need to at least try to fix it. Low test levels can lead to hypogonadism, and hypogonadism sucks. I had it about a year ago and not only did I lose my sex drive, but also 20 pounds of hard-earned muscle. I lost my appetite and overall motivation. Your urologist should send you to an endocrinologist for treatment once he or she has enough bloodwork to diagnose you. At least suggest to your endocrinologist the idea of using clomiphene citrate, tamoxifen, and HCG to restore HPTA.

 

[TeamSavage]

Why the heck wouldn't you just buy some Cialis?

It's not like simply taking 10mg of the product will give you an insane sex drive. The compound has to build up in your body. If it worked right away, you could take 30mg of PP right before leg day and throw up some heavy weight.

The effects on the muscle do take some time to manifest... but the half-life of PP is relatively short so it doesn't really build up in the body. The effects on libido should be more-or-less immediate and probably wouldn't increase after long-term dosing.

 

[jmh80]

I do believe that Cialis actually increases testosterone levels (some study somewhere showed that - in my recollection).

 

[aspire210]

I do believe that Cialis actually increases testosterone levels (some study somewhere showed that - in my recollection).

Only study I could find where the effect of cialis on testosterone was observed was the following:

* Greco EA,
* Pili M,
* Bruzziches R,
* Corona G,
* Spera G,
* Aversa A.

Internal Medicine, Department of Medical Pathophysiology, University of Roma La Sapienza, Rome, Italy.

INTRODUCTION: It has been reported that lack of sexual activity due to erectile dysfunction (ED) may be associated with testosterone (T) decline. AIM: To investigate whether the known changes in sex hormones associated with resumption of sexual activity are sustained in the long term. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Primary endpoints were variations from baseline of steroid hormones: total T, free T (f T), and estradiol (E). Secondary endpoints were variations of erectile function domain scores at International Index of Erectile Function-5 (IIEF-5). METHODS: In an open-label fashion, 20 patients (mean age 54.8 +/- 8.4 years) received tadalafil 10-20 mg on demand for 12 months. Exclusion criteria were those reported for phosphodiesterase inhibitors, including hypogonadism and hyperprolactinemia. RESULTS: Tadalafil assumption was safe and well tolerated (overall adverse effects in 15% of patients) and none discontinued medication. A significant decrease in E levels occurred at the end of the study (from 19.9 +/- 9.6 to 16.6 +/- 8.1 ng/dL, P = 0.042 vs. baseline), with parallel increase in the T:E ratio (26.3 +/- 15.3 to 32.6 +/- 17.7, P = 0.05), whereas no changes in T and f T serum levels were observed, respectively (411.4 +/- 131.4 to 434.2 +/- 177.1 ng/dL and 47.7 +/- 15.3 to 49.9 +/- 19.1 pmol/L, not significant). Interestingly, nonparametric subgroup analysis for related samples revealed that E decrease was detectable only in lean (N = 14) but not in obese (N = 6, body mass index > 27.5 kg/m2) subjects (17.8 +/- 10.1 vs. 13.5 +/- 6.8, P < 0.05). A net increase in IIEF-5 scores was observed at the endpoint (13.7 +/- 5.9 vs. 25.7 +/- 2.9, P < 0.0001). CONCLUSIONS: Sustained improvement in sexual function after 12 months of tadalafil administration is associated with increased T:E ratio mainly related to reduction of E levels . We hypothesize that androgen-estrogen cross-talk and possible inhibition of aromatase activity during chronic exposure to tadalafil might have a role in the regulation of erectile function.

Strange that with a reduction of E that there was no rise in T though.

 

[Iron Warrior]

I get awesome results with Powerfull maybe you should give it a shot. It has made me a semi-pro porn star and I get great sleep so rest is much improved too.

 

[jmh80]

Hmmm aspire. I could have sworn that it showed increases of 200 to 300 ng/dl testosterone (some guys were in the 700 range I thought).

I look on PubMed tomorrow.

 

[aspire210]

Hmmm aspire. I could have sworn that it showed increases of 200 to 300 ng/dl testosterone (some guys were in the 700 range I thought).

I look on PubMed tomorrow.

Wasn't trying to discredit, I was just looking for the study and that was the only really relevant one that I found. There may be other studies out there, that have different results. What I found strange was the lowed E levels, but no real rise in T or free T. Seems that logical would dicated there would be an appropriate rise in T to make up for the drop in E.

 

[Hyde12]

I appreciate all the help. I am just going to see what the urologist says. I hope that this one is cooler than the other doctors that I have seen. I had my testosterone checked three times and it has been around 300 (which they consider to be normal) and my DHT has been very low. I am in the military and most of the doctors in the military will give you an RX for an anti-depressant rather than testosterone. This urologist is a civilian so hopefully he will be cool.

 

[Moyer]

I appreciate all the help. I am just going to see what the urologist says. I hope that this one is cooler than the other doctors that I have seen. I had my testosterone checked three times and it has been around 300 (which they consider to be normal) and my DHT has been very low. I am in the military and most of the doctors in the military will give you an RX for an anti-depressant rather than testosterone. This urologist is a civilian so hopefully he will be cool.

If your test is in the normal range, you don't want to be taking PP. If the new doc doesn't help, I would look into HCG.

HRT sounds good, but I'd wait and explore all your other options first.

 

[Irish Cannon]

The effects on the muscle do take some time to manifest... but the half-life of PP is relatively short so it doesn't really build up in the body. The effects on libido should be more-or-less immediate and probably wouldn't increase after long-term dosing.

I agree with that, but the reason you take doses throughout the day is to keep blood levels of the chemical stable. I don't see how taking one dose will really do anything. I reinstate my earlier statement on buying Cialis. Get something that is MADE for the problem at hand.

 

[somewhatgifted]

I tried cialis for shiets an giggles but man it was like a hangover the next morning, HEADACHE city it was bad at 20mg. My manhood hung like a champ tho for three days.

 

[aspire210]

I tried cialis for shiets an giggles but man it was like a hangover the next morning, HEADACHE city it was bad at 20mg. My manhood hung like a champ tho for three days.

Damn, I was gonna try Cialis next, since Viagra did a number on me. Guess I can take that off my "to-do" list now though. Probably for the better, I have heard ED medication can lead to ED if you don't have the problem. Not saying its true, but I have been told this. It might even have to do with the mental idea of "needing" it to perform after a while.

 

[somewhatgifted]

Ill keep it arpund but it was enought that one dose was good enough to keep me away, but id still try it if possible, to each his own.

 

[Shock133]

Activate and Fenotest make me pretty horny constantly but if I'm not on those then I'll take 100mg of Clomid for a couple days. That will do the trick quite well for a couple of days after administration.

 

[jmh80]

Try some C-12 for the headache, SWG.

 

[somewhatgifted]

Try some C-12 for the headache, SWG.

k, thanks mang.

 

[meowmeow]

...I had my testosterone checked three times and it has been around 300 (which they consider to be normal) and my DHT has been very low.

Try to get the most you can out of the testosterone you have by boosting your free testosterone. One effective method is to use Nettle Root extract standardized for the ligand that has a primary affinity for binding w/ SHBG. NutraPlanet sells it in bulk. In capped form DS Activate contains this high powered extract.

E2 apparently is an important hormone to have in the proper range for libido purposes. If too high or too low you libido and performance will suffer. It is easier to reduce E2 than boost it so get it tested...search the boards here for the "sweet spot" (I think it is like 20-25) and if too high use an AI such as A-dex to bring it down.

DHEA is also good to use with these things as it may increase DHEA or convert to test or estrogen or secondarily increase DHT. You have little control over what the body will do with it. The effect can be subtle but pronounced.

Powerfull in bulk at NutraPlanet or in capped form from USPLabs is an extract of Saponins from Muira Puama. It works real well with the Nettle Root extract and the bulk is priced dirt cheap right now at NP.

If you want to boost testosterone in a way similiar to PherePlex but with less shutdown than bulk Long Jack (several grams maybe more) will get you going. Also available in quality form from NP. You do need to cycle this powder 5 on 2 off or you will probably experience HPTA shutdown.

These are all solid temporary solutions some of which could contribute to a more permanent regiment.

The reason you do not want to suppress your HPTA with a steroid or prohormone is simply this...at your age given enough time it is likely that your hormone levels will come back. It may take many months...possibly a year or so...but when they come back you can look forward to having them back for the rest of your life. If you resuppress yourself now it may take much longer for normal levels to reappear.

The choice is yours...I understand that the armed services doctors are not the best but ask around and work the military system...especially if you are stateside...and you will discover hidden pockets of good medical care/doctors and facilities. Don't settle for what the first doc recommends be persistent if you are not satisfied.

 

[jmh80]

Meow,
Nettle doesn't leave free test levels elevated for long....

There's a reason I had to get my bloodtest 30 mins. after dosing a serving of Activate beta....

 

[meowmeow]

Meow,
Nettle doesn't leave free test levels elevated for long....

There's a reason I had to get my bloodtest 30 mins. after dosing a serving of Activate beta....

Are you saying that levels return to baseline 30 minutes after dosing?

 

[aspire210]

Are you saying that levels return to baseline 30 minutes after dosing?

Free testosterone is metabolized very quickly in the body, around an hour and a half is about as long as you can even HOPE for it to be around.

 

[jmh80]

Pretty much Meow. Someone (maybe Bobo? It's been such a long time) posted a study saying they stayed elevated for an average of a half-hour or so.

Now - of course there are hyper responders here and there....but still. Give it some thought, my friend.

 

[TeamSavage]

If that's the case, maybe somebody should market an IV drip of Nettle Root.

Or at least a controlled-release version.

 

[aspire210]

If that's the case, maybe somebody should market an IV drip of Nettle Root.

Or at least a controlled-release version.

Proviron

 

[Hyde12]

Well, I got back from the Urologist and he put me on 5g androgel daily. He said that next time I see him which is next month we will talk about getting the varicocele fixed.

 

[Megazoid]

The sooner you get the varicocele fixed the better. This causes progressive testicular damage that seems's to occur quickly. It will cause leydig cell atrophy/death and in some cases tissue death also (thus the atrophy). I believe HCG can reverse "some" of this but finding the right dosages is going to be dam near impossible. I am going to run HCG myself to see how i respond. If your LH/FSH are normal (i.e. under 4/5 then you are ok - in general).

Androgel will raise DHT but will also shut you down so your T might go even lower. What dosages are you on? I recommend getting the varicocele repaired ASAP and starting HCG along with myself.