Troubleshooting Guide

Luke667

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Seeing as I'm in the process of planning my Methyl-Drol (superdrol clone) cycle I wondered if any past users could help contribute towards a "troubleshooting guide"

Kinda as in possible problems I could come across while on/just coming off.

Examples of which could be,

1) Bad Back Pumps ... Take 3-5 grams of Taurine and/or eat a banana.

Couple questions i have are :

a) If after PCT on Nolva....if i feel nipple soreness or puffyness, what should I do
b) What else can i do to help the boys kick back in both during/after PCT
c) Is there a chance of any prostate problems? and what would be the symptoms or treatment
d)What symptoms on cycle should i watch out for, and any treatments for problems on cycle

Feel free to add any advice you have personally learnt while on superdrol or a similar oral.
 

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this is very general...try to do some more research on steroids overall...but here....

What is Superdrol?

Superdrol (SD) is marketed as a 'pro-hormone' (PH) in the post-ban era of pro-hormones. Following the ban of most pro-hormonal substances, including the likes of 1 -test, 1-AD, 4-AD, M1T, etc. Designer Supplements designed this 'pro-hormone' based on the steroid Masteron, with an additional methyl group attached to the 17th carbon position. It is described as a cross between anavar and masteron, with the virtual inability for aromatisation to estrogen. It is highly anabolic (400-800% more so than methyl-test) and a lot less androgenic (~20% of methyl-test). Superdrol has hence been given the name Methasteron.

Despite being marketed as a supplement available legally and deemed another 'pro-hormone' or 'pro-steroid' by many, there is nothing very 'pro' about SD. In reality, SD is a designer steroid, and that is what the reader must primarily understand.

It is methylated, so will cause stress on the liver, and it is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, thus it has the potential to give side effects normally seen with such anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) use. It will shut your natural testosterone production down, and PCT (post-cycle therapy) is not only recommended, but frankly required.

It should also be noted that due to the steroidal nature of SD, those under the age of 21 should not consider the use of SD, which could be detrimental in a number of ways.


Cycling Superdrol

SD is sold in 10mg capsules. For those who have not used SD before, it may be a good idea to start off on 10mg as a single dose each day (ed) for at least the first few days/week. Those who have used SD before, or those who are in the range of 200lbs+ or have more experience with other pro-hormones/AAS should most likely want to start with 20mg ed. Dosages should be split where possible, 10mg in the morning, 10mg 12hrs later. Most users report that when running for longer than 3 weeks, the gains seem to cease in the 4th week.

This has led to many people thinking that 3 week cycles of SD are the best option in terms of gains and sides and this also is beneficial due to the harsh nature of SD on lipid values (see Side Effects of Superdrol).

A good cycle is 20mg ed for 3 weeks, with a 2-3 week PCT. Others have found success employing a 2 week on, 1 week off using a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM; e.g. Nolvadex) or Aromatase Inhibitor (AI; e.g. Rebound XT) during the week off.

PCT will involve either Nolvadex (Tamoxifen, the prescription only medicine) or
Rebound XT or other 1,4,6-androstatriene- 3, 17 dione (ATD - the active component of Rebound XT) containing products, although Rebound XT has been used by most.

Less potent AI's such as 6-oxo are not really going to be sufficient and are not recommended. See an example cycle (below) for dosages.

Side effects of Superdrol

As with all AAS, SD is not side effect free. However, when comparing to harsher compounds such as M1T, I would have to say SD fairs well in the sides department. Due to virtually zero aromatisation to estrogen, water retention in theory will be low (and in practise is low), and bloating should not occur such as one would see with an AAS oral like dianabol.
As SD is said to have diuretic properties, you may well experience a loss of water weight during the initial period of use. Also, I have yet to see a case of gynecomastia (gyno - development of breast tissue in males) induced by SD usage. I would not rule this out,
and always recommend to anyone who is doing a steroidal cycle of some sort to have Nolvadex on hand in case gyno occurs. SD could perhaps induce gyno through the progesterone route however this is mere speculation, and it certainly is not worth adding an anti-estrogen on cycle. Due to its low androgenic activity, one would expect androgenic sides to be low, and indeed, most users find little in the way of increased bodily hair, acne, hair loss (male pattern baldness - MPB), etc, however as SD does have some androgenic activity, and if you are genetically prone to MPB you may well increase this process while on SD.

The main side effects that seem to occur in many SD users are:

Cramping/painful "pumps" (specifically lower back)
Lethargy - in extreme cases people have reported feeling like they had a hangover for the duration of the cycle.
painful shi-splints, often making cardio very difficult
Substantial increases in LDL cholesterol levels and reduction of HDL level
SD is methylated so one must remember liver stress is a possibility
Possible loss in libido near end of cycle

Because of these sides (some being more serious than others) there are certain supplements that in my opinion, one should always employ whilst on a cycle of SD (see Necessary Supplements on Superdrol below).

Diet on Superdrol

Feedback would indicate that SD is not a good steroid to use for cutting. SD works best in a calorific surplus environment, and more specifically, in an environment where carbohydrates are high. For this reason, SD makes more of a good 'bulking' steroid, however one can easily use SD to put on mass whilst putting on little (if any) fat. Obviously this requires manipulation of diet so that protein and carbs are high, with plenty of good Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs), but making sure that your calories are clean (good, complex carbs). Glycogen storage is dramatically elevated while on Superdrol and as such, complex carbohydrate consumption should be high, to not only assist in gains, but to potentially reduce the onset of lethargy and the likelihood of hypoglycaemia. You want to ensure intakes that are above maintenance calories. However, SD is not a shield against fat gain and as such it is advisable to consume calories at a level where you were gaining quality weight at a suitable rate before starting the cycle, as opposed to suddenly increasing them well beyond your current intake.

Coming back to the EFAs point this is very important due to the fact that SD will significantly affect your lipid values. This is not hypothesis, but rather reality as many testers have had blood work done prior to and after using SD, and the vast majority have seen HDL going significantly low and LDL skyrocketing. One's diet on SD should make sure that it is full of EFAs, as the diet of a bodybuilder should always be anyway!

Necessary Supplements on Superdrol

SD is methylated as mentioned, and being a 17 alkylated compound, stress will be inevitably put on the liver. The most common method employed by users of methylated steroids would be supplementing with Milk Thistle, available from health stores, supplement stores and some bulk powder stores. The Milk Thistle that you purchase needs to be standardised to at least 80% silymarin (the active compound), and users should run 1000mg ed of milk thistle (giving 800mg silymarin). Other liver protection aids, such as N-Acetyl Carnitine (NAC), etc, may also be employed if the user so desires.

If cramping occurs, as it may likely do, 5g ed of Taurine as well as potassium (add bananas into diet) will definitely help. If you have not used Taurine before, start off on 3g ed (take it pre-workout if possible, about 30mins prior to exercise) and build up to 5g. Taurine is available at very low prices from online bulk powder suppliers.

The major issue with SD usage as discussed is the 'trashing' of lipid levels. Thus I would never recommend a cycle of SD without the user taking the precaution of supplementing with cholesterol regulating products. One very good product, which is comparable to prescription statins and other products for cholesterol problems, is Red Yeast Rice (RYR or cholestin). A minimum of 1200mg of RYR ed for the duration of the cycle including PCT should help to maintain healthy levels of LDL and HDL.

NOW foods sell a good form of RYR, which includes CoQ10 and some Milk Thistle as well as Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA). One problem of supplementing with RYR is that it depletes the heart of CoQ10, so when using RYR one must also supplement with CoQ10. 60 -100mg ed of CoQ10 should be sufficient whilst on RYR.

Due to loss of libido being a possible issue with some (but most users do not report this to any great depth), one may consider the use of Tribulus Terrestris as a supplement to include in one's PCT.

Also, in view of the lethargy that SD promotes, some users may wish to supplement with caffeine or other stimulants if they so wish.


Example of a Superdrol Cycle - (values given are every day - ed)

3-5 days prior to cycle (supplement loading):

1000mg Milk Thistle
1200mg RYR
60mg CoQ10
3g Taurine

Week 1:

20mg Superdrol, split doses
Supplement stack*

Week 2:

20mg Superdrol, split doses
Supplement stack*

Week 3:

Superdrol, split doses
Supplement stack*


Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

Either:

Rebound XT/ATD PCT week 1 :

75mg Rebound XT (3 caps 1 in morning, 2 in evening taken with 10g of fat ideally)
Supplement Stack*

Rebound XT/ATD PCT week 2 :

50mg Rebound XT (1 cap in morning, 1 in evening, with 10g fat)

Rebound XT/ATD PCT week 3 :

25mg Rebound XT (1 cap in evening, with fat)

Or :

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) PCT Day 1 :

60mg Tamoxifen (taken all at once when convenient)
Supplement stack*

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) PCT Days 2 to 11 :

40mg Tamoxifen (taken all at once when convenient)
Supplement stack* (up to days 5 -7)

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) PCT Days 12 -21:
20mg Tamoxifen
Optional extra : Add Tribulus throughout PCT.

*Supplement stack :
1200mg RYR
60mg CoQ10
3g Taurine

Water intake should be high throughout the cycle.

Generally time on + PCT should equal time off, so one should ideally wait 6 weeks after PCT finishes before starting a new cycle of SD.

SD can be stacked with other 'pro-hormones,' but I do not recommend stacking with those that are methylated as this will put too much unnecessary strain on the liver, even with Milk Thistle supplementation.

Lighter individuals (<170lbs) and those less adventurous may want to consider starting off on 10mg ed for the first 3-7 days to assess how they react to it, and maybe increasing to 20mg ed from the second week onwards. Those that don't respond well after 2 weeks to 20mg ed may also wish to consider going up to 30mg ed, but sides can be a lot worse at this dosage in many. People may also want to consider running it for 4 weeks, and although the above is an example cycle I would recommend, a 4 week cycle would be fine; however I would not recommend anything longer than 4 weeks, due to lipid
issues and diminishing returns/gains ceasing.

The reason I suggest 3 weeks is many people see very little in the way of gains in the fourth week, and it is often unnecessary to go to the fourth week bearing in mind the side effects associated with SD (which can be cumulative).

While strength gains may appear alarmingly rapid, they do not come with a proportional increase in strength of connective tissue. As such, strict form and a level headed approach to training should be maintained, to reduce the likelihood of injury.
 
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Couple questions i have are :

a) If after post cycle therapy on Nolva....if i feel nipple soreness or puffyness, what should I do
b) What else can i do to help the boys kick back in both during/after PCT
c) Is there a chance of any prostate problems? and what would be the symptoms or treatment
d)What symptoms on cycle should i watch out for, and any treatments for problems on cycle

Feel free to add any advice you have personally learnt while on superdrol or a similar oral.
a) Dose with an ai and start back on nolva at 80mg/d until it subsides, then taper down.
b) Torminifene(sp)
c) Shouldn't be since there is no conversion to dht, you would be the first i've heard of to have this problem
d) Back pumps, lethargy and loss of libido. You can counter the last two with dhea at 200mg/ed to mimick endogenous testosterone.

Carbs, complex mainly and lots. Carry a sugar packet at all times, incase you feel hypoglycemic. Eat alot and you should grow well. Have fun and let us know how it goes.
 

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cheers for the info, just did some research on hypoglycemia and i will make sure to carry or be around some form of starchy/sugary foods
 
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a) If after post cycle therapy on Nolva....if i feel nipple soreness or puffyness, what should I do
b) What else can i do to help the boys kick back in both during/after PCT
c) Is there a chance of any prostate problems? and what would be the symptoms or treatment
d)What symptoms on cycle should i watch out for, and any treatments for problems on cycle
Feel free to add any advice you have personally learnt while on superdrol or a similar oral.
a) As stated, start a high dose of nolva. On the off-chance that doesn't work, letro is your best bet.
b) Toremifene
c) not much, especially if you're young. But if you're worried, pick up some Cycle Support. Among other great things, it includes prostate-friendly ingredients.
d) Side effects on Superdrol are hit-or-miss. Some people get them bad, others have virtually none. If you get them bad you'll know it. My advice is to research (i.e. search) as much as possible beforehand, keep your carbs up, and take support supps for liver, lipids, and blood pressure (many of these were discussed in Tom's post, and all 3 areas are included in Cycle Support, BTW)... these are the side effects you can't "feel" but you need to worry about most. Back pumps go away. Libido will come back with proper P.C.T. But you only get one liver and one heart.

Enjoy the Superdrol. She treated me very well. :)
 

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