Thinking about taking steroids.
- 12-15-2006, 12:53 AM
Thinking about taking steroids.
Recently I have been thinking of about taking steroids. I been working out for a few years, have a pretty solid diet, weigh in at about 220. First and foremost though im more concerned about my health. I would love some gains little faster then normal but not at the cost of risking my health. I plan on ordering some books on anabolic substances and doing some research into it. I just want to make sure if I decide to take something I know what it is, the risk and all the info I need for my post cycle therapy and make it safe as I can with little risks as possible. I found this community here is very nice and very helpfull and im learning allot here, so ill keep ya informed if I start a cycle and look forward to some feedback. Thanks all.
- 12-15-2006, 05:06 AM
Your doing the right thing but educating yourself first. Well done.
Originally Posted by Fun2Train
- 12-15-2006, 09:29 AM
I am happy to see that there are people who are willing to do research before they put these substances into their bodies. I think that with the books u buy and the real world feedback found here you will find the answers to most of your questions. Karma for educating yourself and making a decision that works for you. BTW what are you trying to accomplish by taking steroids?
12-15-2006, 09:39 AM
Save some money on the books for now and use the web and the boards. Then go to the books if you think you need to.
12-15-2006, 10:10 AM
Well I'll tell you what I was hoping to accomplish. I have been bulking lately, and well to be honest I dont really have a terribly hard time bulking because of my super slow metabolism. I was just hoping to speed it up a bit. I can put on weight fairly easy eating 4000 calories a day of lean food. I was hoping to take some supplement for a 4-6 weeks and put on some lean mass and size and some strengths gains. Afterwards hopefully I would be able to keep some of it and have shaved a few months off of my bulking and be done with it. I dont really want to be huge because im kinda big anyway naturally , Im 6' 1" 220 with 16% bf so I just want to put on some nice size and then cut down start working on my cardio and health and energy levels. Hopefully this can help me bulk allot faster and get into better shape quicker.Originally Posted by ludacris007
BTW off topic a bit. From what I have been researching I understand how damaging some anabolic steroids are to your liver and cholesterol levels. I understand that after your cycle your Test levels will drop because you have been using a Pro Hormone and this can cause estrogen to increase to high because your Test. balances it out but with Test. not high enough you need a good estrogen blocker. I have heard nolva is good enough. My question is what can you take during your cycle with anabolic steroids that can increase your body's good cholesterol and help you liver out? Hopefully decreasing some of the damage done to your body. I guess I was just wondering for like some suggestions for supplements you can take while your on your cycle of steroids that is similiar to your post cycle therapy. And for post cycle therapy I assume you would be just taking Nolva and some supplements that will help your liver lipids/cholesterol? Well Thanks in advance for your help as it is very much appreciated.
12-15-2006, 11:21 AM
don't bother with any books .. a lot of them have some very erroneous information .. read around here for a few months (yes months) .. steriods are a little complicated at first and there really is a lot to learn .. you will be MUCH better off in the long run .. i researched for well over a year before ever starting
12-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Do research on the difference between AI's like a-dex, and SERM's like Nolva. There is a big difference on how these kinds of compounds work. I see many people on these boards still not understanding what roles each of these plays. Also search the word liver on here and you should find a bunch of threads in regards to liver damage and liver supps.Originally Posted by Fun2Train
12-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Even though I just started posting I have been researching for about 3-4 months now off and on. By no means have I learned enough but then again thats why im here posting. I plan on doing some research for a good while longer. I basiclly plan on starting to supplement with some stuff like celery seed, red yeast rice, coq10, garlic extract etc. etc... before I start a cycle , kind like pre cycle therapy I suppose. Next month I plan on going to the doctor and getting a full workup physical, bloodwork and ekg. If by then all my bloodwork and test comes back good then I think ill consider starting a small 4-6 week cycle if im comfortable by then. thanks for your advice and input.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-15-2006, 11:58 AM
sounds great man although in all honesty i wouldn't bother with a 4-6 week cycle .. you'll just go through hormone yo-yoing
IMO you should run test enan or cyp at 500mg/week for 14 weeks ... i know it sounds like a long time but it will give you nice gains and give your body time to adapt to the extra weight
12-15-2006, 12:13 PM
Ok, thanks. Im currently reading some articles on bodybuilding.com about steroid profiles now, actually im trying to soak in any information possible so im fully aware of what im getting into to. I was actually thinking of trying a Test Suspension first since its effects are not as long as a Test. Enap and are easier to control negative side effects since you have to inject every few days instead of once/week. I figured if I reacted well to Test Susp. then I might try Test enap which I realize is more effective and injected only once per week since it last so much longer. Thanks for you help. Iv heard that although you can get gains with oral steroids , orals will be much more harsh on your body and liver in general. I understand that injectables are a bit safer and more potent but most of the safest are illegal and thus hard to find. I know some orals like tren extreme are popular lately from reading around several forums, its seems those are very hard on you liver. And im worried about buying some product from some blackmarket website because I dont want to get some gear cooked in someone's bathtub that can cause half my flesh to rot out when I inject it from and infection! And although im learning more about different steroids and there uses and risks im going to have to put a large amount of time invested into finding a safe place to get my hands on a safer type of steroid. I dont mind using orals I suppose if I can get gains but again I just want to be safe and keep my health my primary concern, thats why im using so much precautions. Again thanks again for your insight and advice, its much appreciated.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-15-2006, 01:46 PM
fish oil, niacin, red yeast rice (mostly lowers LDL), Sesamin, oatmealOriginally Posted by Fun2Train
milk thistle, N-acetyl-cysteine, ALA, green tea, Liv.52Originally Posted by Fun2Train
Many of these can be found in an all-in-one product by Anabolic Innovations called Cycle Support.
An anti-cortisol (LXT or Retain) is a must during P.C.T., IMO.Originally Posted by Fun2Train
Search and you'll find tons of info on all of the above.
12-15-2006, 01:46 PM
i wouldn't use TNE (suspension) on a first cycle .. it requires injecting at least once a day ... you really shouldn't have too many issues with the long esters and you'll only have to pin 2x a week ... i highly recommend this route
i personally stay away from orals as they are very toxic to one's liver
as for getting gear .. i can't help you with that but there are boards that can .. just look around and read reviews
12-15-2006, 02:02 PM
Example stack I was considering.
From my research this is kinda what I was considering trying during a stack.
Equipoise (Boldenone) 30mg/day for 8 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate 75mg/day for 10 weeks
Dianabol to help kickstart gains 30mg/day for 4 weeks
Nolvadex 10mg/day during cycle just for safety even though iv heard it can slow down gains a I would rather just be safe then sorry then follow post cycle therapy with 40mg/day for 4 weeks
Also before,during and after cycle I would supplement with of course a good multi-vitamin, Sesathin,Garlic Extract,Allicin,Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support , coq10, and a good anti-cortisol.
Before cycle like I said I plan on getting full physical, blood work, and ekg done and just let the doctor know I plan on doing some intense workouts for the next few months. If everythings is a green light then I would consider starting my stack. How does this sound to you? Do you think I can keep most of my gains after stopping? And realisticly do you think If I do this stack and im happy with the gains I have gotten and im able to keep the gains I was hoping not to have to run another stack. Do you think this is realistic?
My only other concern is that from what I have read and even though I have never had my Testosterone . levels checked( which I plan on doing soon) I think I might have naturally high testosterone levels. I seem to already put on mass fairly easy. Iv put on about 20 pounds of mass in past year, I have M.P.B. and high amounts of body and facial hair, and also I have to work on controlling my rage. So I suppose my only concern is too much Testosterone causing ill wanted side effects. Anyway thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions.
12-15-2006, 04:53 PM
DONT DO IT!!!! unless you want to grow a third leg and have the balls of a hampster.
no, go for it. grow! thats how all the big guys got big...do you think they are never taller than 6foot for a reason!? except a select few who are gients to begin with... they start steroids younger than many think.
12-15-2006, 08:02 PM
listen to this bro. keep it nice and simple for your first cycle. 500 test E for 12-14 weeks will net you all you want. EQ will be a waste and you won't really need d-bol. i gained 17 pounds off straight test for 16 weeks for my first cycle. when your ready for round two you can add dbol for 6 weeks and round three add the EQ. Don't throw the kitchen sink at it your first go! you won't need it.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-15-2006, 09:02 PM
Thanks allot for the input, I really just want to keep it simple and didnt realize just straight Test. is all I need. Appreciate the info.Originally Posted by ripped22
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