Mega-TRN and X-Mass Cycle advice

[DumbRussian]

here is how it looks as of now:

week 1:
2mg TRN ED

week 2:
2mg TRN ED
40 mg X-Mass ED

week 3:
4mg TRN ED
40 mg X-Mass ED

week 4:
4mg TRN ED
80 mg X-Mass ED

My question is is that enough TRN and also should I start x-mass week 1 also?

Another question is that I am going to be increasing workout intensity and volume, is that going to be neccassary? If so, can anyone post links to workout programs for steroid use.

Here is some info on me:

200 lbs
11 %bf
6'2"
I have done a cycle of M1T and one of Superdrol
I am going to be getting in about 3500 calories in each day.
Creatine protein before workout
Creatine, glutamine, BCAA, pure vitargo after workout
all meals are split up into six meals daily

 

[DumbRussian]

anyone....

 

[BigMattTx]

My advice?

DONT

 

[BigMattTx]

If you dont want an errection or libido for a couple months then by all means, go for it. Otherwise, Id look into something else. From what Ive read/experienced, PP and SD are much better if you are going to run an oral only cycle. TRN and X-mass can have nasty sides plus the gains wont even be as good as running PP or SD solo.

 

[TeamSavage]

plus the gains wont even be as good as running PP or SD solo.

I disagree with this part somewhat... Some people report excellent gains with X-Mass.

But yeah, your libido is going to suffer on X-Mass + TRN. Both are progesterone-based compounds that can shut you down hard and kill libido. Unless you don't want to have sex during the cycle and into P.C.T., you're better off stacking with test or another androgenic compound.

 

[DumbRussian]

That odd because I heard that trn is actualy the oppisite. but I still agree with you. The reason I wanted trn is because it should lean me out or keep me from bloating. I know that zol is a good additive but its so weak I hear. As for the xmass ans trn, if the libido isnt a problem to me, will shut in natural test be horrible, I mean, it cant me any worse that pp and superdrol.

To add, I do have PP and I am wondering will the PP and Trn be better overall than Xmass and trn?

Thanks for the help you guys.

 

[TeamSavage]

will shut in natural test be horrible, I mean, it cant me any worse that pp and superdrol.

Yes, it can be. Progesterones can shut you down very fast and hard.

To add, I do have PP and I am wondering will the PP and Trn be better overall than Xmass and trn?

I think PP+TRN would definitely be better, from a side-effect perspective, than XMass and TRN. And the gains would probably be as good or better as well.

 

[TeamSavage]

XMass+PP would also be a good cycle. Ergomax (very similar to PP) was originally developed to be paired with Max LMG (the same as XMass).

As you said, though, TRN+PP will probably lean you out more and cause less bloat than XMass+PP.

IMO, XMass+PP is better for a bulk. TRN+PP would be better for a recomp or cut (but still good for a lean bulk).

 

[DumbRussian]

TeamSavage, why do you think that PP and TRN will be as good if not better? I hear that the original max lmg is better than the originalphera-max. Thanks for the help, also, do you have any feedback on the training portion of my post?

 

[DumbRussian]

I guess you posted before I finished writing my last post. will xmass and pp be big on bloat, I hear it is, I just would perfer a higher lean muscle ratio than a water retention and mass ratio.

 

[Moyer]

I just would perfer a higher lean muscle ratio than a water retention and mass ratio.

Sounds to me like you're looking for Halodrol. It also generally has fewer sides than the other ones mentioned in this thread.

 

[DumbRussian]

sides im not worried about at all. I am just now confused between what I should do:

Mega-TRN and X-Mass
Mega-TRN and Phera-Plex
X-Mass and Phera-Plex
or
X-Mass or Phera-Plex with Halodrol

 

[Moyer]

sides im not worried about at all. I am just now confused between what I should do:

Mega-TRN and X-Mass
Mega-TRN and Phera-Plex
X-Mass and Phera-Plex
or
X-Mass or Phera-Plex with Halodrol

I was referring mostly to the lean mass gains, instead of bloating up like other compounds. You might want to look into Propadrol also (unmethylated & dry), or the new Havoc (methylated & dry).

 

[DumbRussian]

This **** is driving me insane. everything seems good in its own way. what do you think, should I just take them all just in case? That what a joke, but thats how fruastrated I am.

 

[TeamSavage]

Remember that the bloat you might experience from X-Mass and PP (a) isn't that bad, and (2) will fall off as soon as the cycle is stopped, leaving only the lean gains. So unless you're preparing for a contest or photo-shoot or something, the bloat doesn't really matter in the long run.

 

[TeamSavage]

You shouldn't combine PP with Halodrol because they're both methylated. Other than that, they're all good stacks as long as you realize that TRN+XMass may seriously impair libido.

 

[DumbRussian]

its funny but the Mega-TRN actually says that it gives you "porn star libido"

libido isnt an issue, I just really was looking forward to that cycle.

So i have a last thought, PP and Xmas or PP and TRN or Xmass and TRN. again, libido doesnt worry me, I'm just looking to gain the most size (muscle, Lean Size)

Sorry for questions over questions, I just want another opinion. Thanks.

 

[Wood]

Russian, I just finished a cycle of Trn and XMass. I loved it! I had no sides at all and my strength went thru the roof. As far as the libido issue goes, I didn't have any issues. It was status quo for me so I'm not sure what would happen with you. That was my 3rd ph cycle and I would have to say it was my most enjoyable. I did a SD cycle last spring, I liked it but I didn't feel up to par.

 

[BigMattTx]

I second the suggestion of a halodrol clone. It seems to be the best out for lean mass/cutting/recomp type cycles. It is pretty strong and damn mild. To be honest, I wouldnt mess with any OTC orals other than PP/SD/Halo With the weaker ones, the gains are not worth being shutdown and having to do a PCT.

 

[TeamSavage]

its funny but the Mega-TRN actually says that it gives you "porn star libido"

Can't really believe everything the sup companies say... I agree with Matt Hines. Halodrol is also a good choice for cutting/recomp, or Halodrol+TRN. Really you have lots of good options. Just do your research and choose one.

 

[DumbRussian]

I think I have decided:

week 1:
TRN 2mg

week 2:
TRN 2mg
PP 15mg

week 3:
TRN 4mg
PP 15mg

week 4:
TRN 4mg
PP 30mg

week 5:
TRN 4mg
PP 30mg

What do you guys think? Please throw at me all you got.

 

[BigMattTx]

That sounds pretty good. I personally dont like TRN because its a progestin but hopefully the PP will counteract the sides. I think that cycle should be very strong.

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

I'm your size, but a bit older than you, and 4mgs of Mega-TRN did absolutely nothing for me. Actually, that was 4mgs of Mega-TRN stacked with up to 200mgs of Mega-Zol, and it was completely worthless.

I don't know about your PP dosage, but since every other product you're using is Generic Labz, I'm going to doubt that you even actually have PP.

You've probably got Ergomax, and along with TRN it should give you nice lbm with little bloat.

I've just started a similar cycle than the latest that you have proposed:

WK1: 6mg TRN
WK2: 6mg TRN / 15mg Phera-max
WK3: 30mg Phera-max
WK4: 30mg Phera-max

Maybe we can compare notes come mid Jan. :study:

 

[DumbRussian]

Actaully the PP is Phera-Max, isnt that a Phera-Plex clone?
Anyway, I'll tale yoour advice and do this:

week 1:
TRN 4mg

week 2:
TRN 4mg
PP 15mg

week 3:
TRN 6mg
PP 15mg

week 4:
TRN 6mg
PP 30mg

week 5:
TRN 6mg
PP 30mg

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

Actaully the PP is Phera-Max, isnt that a Phera-Plex clone?

Nope, it's an Ergomax clone.

Anyway, I'll tale yoour advice and do this:

You might want to be prepared to back down to 4mg if you do start getting some of the sides at 6mg that others have reported. But I definately would at least be thinking of moving up to 6mg, unless you're getting great results at 4mg.

(For example, I doubt you'll notice anything at all for Week 1)

 

[DumbRussian]

Here what I read:

ALRI
E Max LMG
17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

AX
Ergo Max
17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

AX
PP
17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol

I guess your right. Sorry. Its just that alot of people say they are clones and I went with it. How are they different?

 

[BigMattTx]

At 6mg of TRN, I got high blood pressure, no libido and extreme lethargy. TRN was hell for me so be careful. Also, I'm generally able to stand lots of sides--SD was a breeze for me.

 

[DumbRussian]

Now I got another question for the people who taken it, Is there any beneift of taking TRN about an hour before workout on training days? I know Ph's you do and some no. I was thinking of doing it, but since you say you get lethargy, maybe that wont be such a great idea. That do you think?

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

I guess your right. Sorry. Its just that alot of people say they are clones and I went with it. How are they different?

The difference between Ergomax (Phera-max) and Phera-Plex is the ratio of isomers.

PP is 100% 5a 2-ene and Ergomax is a mix of 5a/5b 2-ene and 5a/5b 3-ene.

They are almost identical. But not.

Yes, very confusing.

 

[DumbRussian]

They are almost identical. But not.

Yes, very confusing.

Ok, than what is the benefit or difference in overall benefit I get from either?

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

To be honest, I haven't used either compound yet. And I'm really only going to run Ergomax (Phera-max) because I couldn't find Phera-plex anywhere.

(Actually.. I did, but.. eh)

From what I've been able to determine from reading varies logs, PP is more 'wet' than Ergomax, so most experience more bloat and also lose more weight during PCT.

But, all the anecdotal evidence is so damn close in terms of results, that it really seems to be more of an issue with diet than the actual steroids themselves.

Sorry that I couldn't be more help, but I'd be happy to share my thoughts on Ergomax with you next week when I start my cycle.

 

[DumbRussian]

Sounds good to me. I will go ahead with PMAX and TRN. Thanks for the help you guys.

 

[Harley]

The difference between Ergomax (Phera-max) and Phera-Plex is the ratio of isomers.

PP is 100% 5a 2-ene and Ergomax is a mix of 5a/5b 2-ene and 5a/5b 3-ene.

They are almost identical. But not.

Yes, very confusing.

Am I missing something?

Phera-max = 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol 15mg
Phera-plex = 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol 10mg

Looks to me like they are identical except for the dosage?

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

I can't find a discussion about it on here (just did a quick search) and I don't believe I'm allowed to link to discussions on other forums.

The Generic Labz reps themselves have said that Phera-Max is Ergomax, and not PP.

You'll just have to do that google search yourself, sorry.

Phera-Max is an Ergomax clone. Generic Labz has another Phera-Plex clone which they named Pheramone-X (which I've never been able to find).

 

[Harley]

I can't find a discussion about it on here (just did a quick search) and I don't believe I'm allowed to link to discussions on other forums.

The Generic Labz reps themselves have said that Phera-Max is Ergomax, and not PP.

You'll just have to do that google search yourself, sorry.

Phera-Max is an Ergomax clone. Generic Labz has another Phera-Plex clone which they named Pheramone-X (which I've never been able to find).

Thanks for the answer.

Interesting... I have both AX Phera-plex and the GL Phera-Max in my hands, and the compounds on the labels are identical, except for doseage.

I'll have to see what I can find on this...

Thanks again.

 

[Harley]

Just found one site that says GL Pheremone-X is the same thing as Phera-max. Not sure if I can cite the source?

Anyway, I'll keep looking.

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

Not sure about sources and other websites, so better safe than sorry.

Go to Google and google "Phera-max Phera-plex"

Just like that, and you'll be directed to a couple of sources that will document it all for you.

Cheers

 

[Harley]

Not sure about sources and other websites, so better safe than sorry.

Go to Google and google "Phera-max Phera-plex"

Just like that, and you'll be directed to a couple of sources that will document it all for you.

Cheers

Thanks!