M1,4ADD as it is, will aromatize to a degree and pheraplex is also known to cause some bloating. What are your goals? Do you care about water-weight? Methyl-1-D is an expensive combo of two very cheap hormones, DHEA and ATD. You can use M1D off cycle about 2 weeks into PCT. I reccommend stacking M1,4ADD with some Restore for some estrogen and prolactin control. Keep the Restore going on into the post cycle therapy and add some rebound reloaded after the M1,4ADD is complete and then if you already have M1D, use that after a couple weeks too. IMO drop the M1D and use pheraplex to jumpstart a bulk if you may. Otherwise, I'd reccommend sticking with one oral prohormone at a time unless it's not as liver toxic (zol, Max LMG). Good luck! Hope I helped!