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Halodrol replacement!

Reeve

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Hey,
Just got word that my halodrol order has been mysteriously cancelled(!) and im desperate for a suitable replacement. Think it must have been stopped leaving the US, not sure. Anyway, i'm just hoping someone will recommend something they've tried that is alot like halodrol. I've heard hemadrol is meant to be a good claim, but cant find that much info on it (even on here). any suggestions would be gratefully received. thanks
 
Reeve said:
Hey,
Just got word that my halodrol order has been mysteriously cancelled(!) and im desperate for a suitable replacement. Think it must have been stopped leaving the US, not sure. Anyway, i'm just hoping someone will recommend something they've tried that is alot like halodrol. I've heard hemadrol is meant to be a good claim, but cant find that much info on it (even on here). any suggestions would be gratefully received. thanks
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I ordered some Mega H by Generic Labz. its the same compound. i believe hemadrol is the same compound as well. there are several clones available.
 
From what ive heard, choosing a halodrol clone really is up to the price & dosage. Of course people want something cheap and some pills are 25mg instead of 50 allowing u to adjust your dosage to your liking.
 
Reeve said:
Hey,
Just got word that my halodrol order has been mysteriously cancelled(!) and im desperate for a suitable replacement. Think it must have been stopped leaving the US, not sure. Anyway, i'm just hoping someone will recommend something they've tried that is alot like halodrol. I've heard hemadrol is meant to be a good claim, but cant find that much info on it (even on here). any suggestions would be gratefully received. thanks
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You can get Methandrol 50 from Weber. Same stuff at 50mg. You can also get Promagnon-25. Same stuff but at 25mg.The later stuff is by Peak Performance.
 
Has anyone actually heard ANY feedback about Methandrol-50? I looked and couldn't find much at all.

Webber's Oxodrol got mostly positive feedback, so I'm guessing Methandrol-50 is legit. But you never really know.
 
Just out of curiosity guys, what's the big attraction to Halodrol, and clones of the like, and what made you chose them over another designer such as SD clones, PP clones, prostanny clones, etc?
 
Terminator LMG said:
Just out of curiosity guys, what's the big attraction to Halodrol, and clones of the like, and what made you chose them over another designer such as superdrol clones, PP clones, prostanny clones, etc?
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Keep in mind that these are generalizations, and obviously differ for every person. (Also, note that I haven't actually used Halodrol, so I'm basing this on everything I've read.)

1) Halo is generally milder, in terms of noticable side effects, than Superdrol or PP. "Side-effect free" cycles seem to be reported by a greater proportion of Halo users, and Halo seems far less likely to cause the severe side effects sometimes reported with Superdrol (or PP). Some people just feel like s*** on SD or PP... this doesn't seem to happen as much on Halo.

2) Halo is much stronger than Prostanazol. The consensus seems to be that standalone ZOL cycles produce few benefits, and ZOL's main use is stacked with a stronger compound (most commonly with TRN for cutting). Halo, on the other hand, is very effective when used alone for either bulking or cutting.

3) For bulking, Halo does not produce the dramatic, quick gains commonly seen with Superdrol or PP. But it does produce steady, "quality" gains that can add up to 10+ lbs over a 4-6 week cycle.

4) Good strength gains.

5) Good results are also reported with cutting/recomp. For this, some would say Halo is superior while others would say TRN+ZOL is superior. But side effects are more common with TRN, while using Halo alone is cheaper and simpler.

6) "Dry" compound, little bloat.

In essence, Halo seems to offer a very attractive ratio of gains vs. side effects. It's versatile compound that's effective for either bulking or cutting. At least that's what I took from all the logs and reviews.
 
angelo212 said:
You can get Methandrol 50 from Weber. Same stuff at 50mg. You can also get Promagnon-25. Same stuff but at 25mg.The later stuff is by Peak Performance.
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Promag-25 is NOT HAlodrol.

It is comparrable to methyltest from what I understand.
 
xtraflossy said:
Promag-25 is NOT HAlodrol.

It is comparrable to methyltest from what I understand.
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Correct. Pro-Mag is not a diene, as it is lacking the -ene at the 1 position.


Halodrol - 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol

Pro-Magnon 25 - 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3,17-diol


Promag converts to methyltest with a 4-chloro attached, or basically "methyl-clostebol"
 
killacriminal said:
there is also Generic Labz Mega-H and Juggernaut Nutrition Oral Turinadrol.
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I saw a site last night that still sells the Juggernaut Oral Turinadrol. I guess there selling the last of there stock. They have the original Halodrol-50 from Gaspari and a 4AD product. The discontimued many but still have quite a few. I'll let you know the name of the site later. I got to find it.
 
TeamSavage said:
Keep in mind that these are generalizations, and obviously differ for every person. (Also, note that I haven't actually used Halodrol, so I'm basing this on everything I've read.)

1) Halo is generally milder, in terms of noticable side effects, than Superdrol or PP. "Side-effect free" cycles seem to be reported by a greater proportion of Halo users, and Halo seems far less likely to cause the severe side effects sometimes reported with Superdrol (or PP). Some people just feel like s*** on superdrol or PP... this doesn't seem to happen as much on Halo.

2) Halo is much stronger than Prostanazol. The consensus seems to be that standalone ZOL cycles produce few benefits, and ZOL's main use is stacked with a stronger compound (most commonly with TRN for cutting). Halo, on the other hand, is very effective when used alone for either bulking or cutting.

3) For bulking, Halo does not produce the dramatic, quick gains commonly seen with Superdrol or PP. But it does produce steady, "quality" gains that can add up to 10+ lbs over a 4-6 week cycle.

4) Good strength gains.

5) Good results are also reported with cutting/recomp. For this, some would say Halo is superior while others would say TRN+ZOL is superior. But side effects are more common with TRN, while using Halo alone is cheaper and simpler.

6) "Dry" compound, little bloat.

In essence, Halo seems to offer a very attractive ratio of gains vs. side effects. It's versatile compound that's effective for either bulking or cutting. At least that's what I took from all the logs and reviews.
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Halodrol did nothing for me - not even speed up my recovery time. I gained no strength - and put on no weight. It was the second batch from Gaspari. My body must not react to this compound - but I was greatly disappointed. I was dosing it in the morning - 1 tab a day - did the whole 30 days. I'm just curious if anyone else experienced this? I've done M1T, Superdrol, and PP - all with good results. It was pretty sad.
 
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Stupes said:
Halodrol did nothing for me - not even speed up my recovery time. I gained no strength - and put on no weight. It was the second batch from Gaspari. My body must not react to this compound - but I was greatly disappointed. I was dosing it in the morning - 1 tab a day - did the whole 30 days. I'm just curious if anyone else experienced this? I've done M1T, Superdrol, and PP - all with good results. It was pretty gay.
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Would you be talking about the liquid gels? if so thats probably b/c it is mainly an AAcid product and not a pro-hormone/steroid. The liquidgels are nothing more than a marketing gimmick piggybacking off of the success of the halodrol name.
 
Birdsizzle said:
Would you be talking about the liquid gels? if so thats probably b/c it is mainly an AAcid product and not a pro-hormone/steroid. The liquidgels are nothing more than a marketing gimmick piggybacking off of the success of the halodrol name.
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No it was the second release of the real tabs. The Turinabol with the extra chloro attachment at the 4 position. There was talk that the first batch was actually 30mg of DMT - I don't know. But nonetheless - I wouldn't buy those stupid liquid gels for 2 dollars a bottle. I'm talking the real deal 50mg tabs here - and it did zero for me. And I ate right and lifted right. I'd like to know if any else got nothing off of the real H-50 like me........
 
Stupes said:
No it was the second release of the real tabs. The Turinabol with the extra chloro attachment at the 4 position. There was talk that the first batch was actually 30mg of DMT - I don't know. But nonetheless - I wouldn't buy those stupid liquid gels for 2 dollars a bottle. I'm talking the real deal 50mg tabs here - and it did zero for me. And I ate right and lifted right. I'd like to know if any else got nothing off of the real H-50 like me........
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Hey Stupes, how much do you weigh bro? It may have been that, if you have a higher percentage of lean muscle mass on ya, that you would have required a higher dose....maybe not. I haven't run Halo yet so I'm not sure of the body weight range that a 50mg dose is effective for. But it's along the same principle that someone like Ronnie Coleman probably wouldn't grow off of 20mg of SD, whereas someone in the 190lb range would. It could just be that for whatever reason your body doesn't respond well to this compound. Part of the learning process IMO.
 
Terminator LMG said:
Hey Stupes, how much do you weigh bro? It may have been that, if you have a higher percentage of lean muscle mass on ya, that you would have required a higher dose....maybe not. I haven't run Halo yet so I'm not sure of the body weight range that a 50mg dose is effective for. But it's along the same principle that someone like Ronnie Coleman probably wouldn't grow off of 20mg of superdrol, whereas someone in the 190lb range would. It could just be that for whatever reason your body doesn't respond well to this compound. Part of the learning process IMO.
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I am a 6'3" 215 lbs. ectomorph. I graduated high school at 155 and worked up to 205 over the years before I even thought about touching any chemicals. So I have a decent amount of muscle even though I'm 6'3". But for instance - I took 20mg of M1T for 30 days and went from 210 to 220 but went down to 215 a month after PCT. I figure 50mg of Halo should have done the trick. I suspect some other guys have gotten zero from it also. When I say zero - I mean zero - my recovery time didn't even change - I might as well have been taking aspirin. It was pretty stupid.
 
There has been some discussion that 50mg might be on the low side for some people. I remember reading a number of posts where bigger guys used 75-100mg with improved results.
 
TeamSavage said:
There has been some discussion that 50mg might be on the low side for some people. I remember reading a number of posts where bigger guys used 75-100mg with improved results.
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When you say "bigger guys", how big are you talking?
 
I beleive that the reference to "bigger guys" might apply MORE for those already expirenced in anabolics.
First cycles especially, Im sure nice gains can be made off the standard dosing.
 
Stupes, I am 6' 2" and 216. I ran a halo-50 cycle and went to 215 from 205. I leaned up and put on muscle. I guess it depends on the person. It was also my first cycle ever. It worked for me I would run it again but You are right the liquid gells might as well be made by muscle tech I would never pay $65 for crap that would not have any real worth.
 
I'm just finishing up my first experience with this compound (Mega-H). I felt the same as you, Stupes, through the first 2 1/2 weeks running it at 50mg/day. I bumped it to 75mg/day, and was able to see a difference. I'm 6' ~215 lbs. (now ~220). I've put on some size, not much progress on the recomp (my main goal), and zero strength or recovery increases.

Overall, it's decent, but I think I had expected a little more. Not as cost effective if you have to run it at 75-100 mg/day. I will say, it is easy on the side-effects (testes remained full, a hint of increase in well-being, blood pressure is not elevated, etc.).
 
xtraflossy said:
I beleive that the reference to "bigger guys" might apply MORE for those already expirenced in anabolics.
First cycles especially, Im sure nice gains can be made off the standard dosing.
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Good point. This is sorta what I meant. From all the reading that I did on Halodrol, I got the impression that 50mg Halodrol might be similar, on the dose-response curve, to 10-15mg Superdrol. What I mean is that 10-15mg Superdrol will provide decent results for most people, but many individuals (heavier, more experienced, or just different metabolisms) see significantly increased gains from double that dose. (I'm not trying to say that 10mg Superdrol = 50mg Halodrol.)

All that said, there hasn't been much bloodwork posted on Halodrol, so its difficult to say how taking 100+ mg of Halodrol would affect the liver and lipids.
 
Thanks guys for chiming on the "bigger guys" comment.

I'm thinking of running a cycle soon of Mega H. However, I currently weigh 248lbs with 11% bodyfat. I have run 3 Ergomax LMG cycles in the past (2 of the 3 cycles stacked with either prostanozol or Max LMG), along with a Phera Plex solo cycle. With Phera Plex I noticed that I had to take the dosing up to 30mg before I even began to notice any sort of effect. But I haven't used these types of products since very early this year.

So, I'm a bit bigger now than when I started, and I know that I will more than likely require a higher dose. But...I think the best thing for me to do is to simply start at 50mg and see how I react. Then, if necessary, I can always bump it up to 75mg, and adjust accordingly. I don't want to just assume that because of my stats that I'll automatically need a higher dose.
 
Terminator LMG said:
Thanks guys for chiming on the "bigger guys" comment.

I'm thinking of running a cycle soon of Mega H. However, I currently weigh 248lbs with 11% bodyfat. I have run 3 Ergomax LMG cycles in the past (2 of the 3 cycles stacked with either prostanozol or Max LMG), along with a Phera Plex solo cycle. With Phera Plex I noticed that I had to take the dosing up to 30mg before I even began to notice any sort of effect. But I haven't used these types of products since very early this year.

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Not to hijack, but I really am interested in your results (preferably in the order you did these)..
I am comptemplating an ERGO and LMG cycle, but finding logs for this is hard to come by..
 
H does seem to be pretty mild. I have done a lot of research and it takes a couple weeks to even start working.

Two bottles are needed to run 1 good cycle.

I picked up a couple bottles of Mega H and I plan to run it like this:
50/50/50/75/75/100 and there should be enough left over to run 100mg for a couple extra days past the 6 weeks.
 
MattHines said:
I picked up a couple bottles of Mega H and I plan to run it like this:
50/50/50/75/75/100 and there should be enough left over to run 100mg for a couple extra days past the 6 weeks.
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I'm also planning on running it for six weeks at similar doses. As you said, it usually takes a few weeks to kick in, and people who ran it for 6 weeks often kept gaining nicely for those last two weeks.

I think after Superdrol and PP people expect to make huge gains right from the start, in which case HD will disappoint. Seems like its just getting started in the third week for many people.
 
Terminator LMG said:
Thanks guys for chiming on the "bigger guys" comment.

I'm thinking of running a cycle soon of Mega H. However, I currently weigh 248lbs with 11% bodyfat. I have run 3 Ergomax LMG cycles in the past (2 of the 3 cycles stacked with either prostanozol or Max LMG), along with a Phera Plex solo cycle. With Phera Plex I noticed that I had to take the dosing up to 30mg before I even began to notice any sort of effect. But I haven't used these types of products since very early this year.

So, I'm a bit bigger now than when I started, and I know that I will more than likely require a higher dose. But...I think the best thing for me to do is to simply start at 50mg and see how I react. Then, if necessary, I can always bump it up to 75mg, and adjust accordingly. I don't want to just assume that because of my stats that I'll automatically need a higher dose.
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At your size - I would really at least think about 75mg to start with - I have never heard anyone get sides from this stuff. Granted - the only blood tests I've seen are the original ones posted by BK before this even hit the market. So who really knows about lipids at that dose. But I really think you'll get nothing off of 50mg - and since everyone says the gains are slower than Superdrol, PP, ect. - you end up waiting for 2 weeks and then bump it up. But then 2 weeks after that - the cycle has ended and it never even took off. You know what I'm saying. I don't know - but this oral seems to need longer cycles - like Anavar is best run at the very least 6 weeks and best at 8-10 weeks. But there is little known about it's effect on the liver. I know I'll never bother with it again - I'd just assume go get the real OT - or if legality is an issue - hit up PP or Superdrol. Or even take a shot at Mass Tabs or Epistane.........
 
TeamSavage said:
I'm also planning on running it for six weeks at similar doses. As you said, it usually takes a few weeks to kick in, and people who ran it for 6 weeks often kept gaining nicely for those last two weeks.

I think after Superdrol and PP people expect to make huge gains right from the start, in which case HD will disappoint. Seems like its just getting started in the third week for many people.
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Totally agree on this - it seems to me that 6 weeks is a minimum for HD. But again - blood tests are not widely seen for this compound. We expect it to be easy on the liver - but who really knows? I think it's been taken for granted that it's mild...............
 
Stupes said:
Totally agree on this - it seems to me that 6 weeks is a minimum for HD. But again - blood tests are not widely seen for this compound. We expect it to be easy on the liver - but who really knows? I think it's been taken for granted that it's mild...............
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My main concern would be the liver, as you say. I'd love to run it for 8 weeks at 75-100mg, but running any methylated compound for this long isn't a great idea. If done, IMO its absolutely necessary to get bloodtests at the halfway point just to make sure your liver enzymes aren't too elevated.
 
TeamSavage said:
My main concern would be the liver, as you say. I'd love to run it for 8 weeks at 75-100mg, but running any methylated compound for this long isn't a great idea. If done, IMO its absolutely necessary to get bloodtests at the halfway point just to make sure your liver enzymes aren't too elevated.
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Agreed - and if it's not super mild on the liver - I wouldn't even bother with it. An oral has to be fast and powerful because you are only on it for 4 weeks, generally. If you want something longer - you really should go with injectibles - for both health and gains.
 
xtraflossy said:
Not to hijack, but I really am interested in your results (preferably in the order you did these)..
I am comptemplating an ERGO and LMG cycle, but finding logs for this is hard to come by..
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Sure, no prob :)

Cycle 1

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG

Cycle 2

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG

Cycle 3

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol

I made the most gains by far with the Ergomax and Max LMG stacked together. I gained a solid 15lb in LBM. Strength gains were also fantastic. I do believe what Author said that these two products were meant to compliment each other. Strength, size, vascularity, full body pumps 24/7, leanness...you name it, this stack definitely accomplished all of that. The biggest downfall to this cycle was the impact that the progestin derived steroid Max LMG had on my libido. Killed it for 6 weeks! Talk about embarassing. For that very reason I will never touch another progestin derived designer steroid. And I'm sure that the ATD I used for post cycle therapy didn't help with it either, being that ATD acts as an anti androgen as well as an AI.

The second cycle with Ergomax solo was very nice. Bloating was the biggest side effect I experienced. Other than that, I packed on a solid 7lbs altogether. So ergo was a little less effective on it's own for me, but my libido didn't take a hit at all like in the 1st cycle. Libido was solid throughout...pun intended :)

The third cycle was Ergomax LMG with prostanny. Very nice, lean dry gains is all I can say. I believe I netted 10lbs from that cycle when post cycle therapy was all said and done. Not much of an increase in strength, but muscular endurance and recovery was phenomenol. Libido was still intact throughout the duration of the cycle.

So, the Ergo and Max LMG is definitely a very effective stack for both size and strength. The biggest drawback, again, was the destruction of my libido due to the progestin qualities of Max LMG. However, other guys have used this product and experienced an increase in libido from the max lmg. But I think I've read more reviews and logs where max lmg killed libido than elevated it.

Hope that helps :)
 
Stupes said:
At your size - I would really at least think about 75mg to start with - I have never heard anyone get sides from this stuff. Granted - the only blood tests I've seen are the original ones posted by BK before this even hit the market. So who really knows about lipids at that dose. But I really think you'll get nothing off of 50mg - and since everyone says the gains are slower than Superdrol, PP, ect. - you end up waiting for 2 weeks and then bump it up. But then 2 weeks after that - the cycle has ended and it never even took off. You know what I'm saying. I don't know - but this oral seems to need longer cycles - like Anavar is best run at the very least 6 weeks and best at 8-10 weeks. But there is little known about it's effect on the liver. I know I'll never bother with it again - I'd just assume go get the real OT - or if legality is an issue - hit up PP or Superdrol. Or even take a shot at Mass Tabs or Epistane.........
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Thanks for your input! I think I'll start at 50mg to see how I respond, and then bump it to 75mg the 2nd week. Damn, I'm gonna need 2 bottles!! But I definitely see what you're getting at. Phera Plex was a bit like what you described. It took forever for the PP to kick in, mainly because I wasn't using a high enough dose for my body weight.

I know that some compounds work wonders for some people's physiology, and don't do jack sh!tr for other people. I'm hoping I'm one of those who respond well to a low dose with Halo :D
 
Agree 100%. Ergomax + Max LMG is a KILLER Combo, cept for libido sides.

Ergomax is fantastic solo also, better than PP in my opinion. I just wish I could still get Ergomax, the stuff is really solid all round (gains, recovery, libido).

Terminator LMG said:
Sure, no prob :)

Cycle 1

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG

Cycle 2

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG

Cycle 3

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol

I made the most gains by far with the Ergomax and Max LMG stacked together. I gained a solid 15lb in LBM. Strength gains were also fantastic. I do believe what Author said that these two products were meant to compliment each other. Strength, size, vascularity, full body pumps 24/7, leanness...you name it, this stack definitely accomplished all of that. The biggest downfall to this cycle was the impact that the progestin derived steroid Max LMG had on my libido. Killed it for 6 weeks! Talk about embarassing. For that very reason I will never touch another progestin derived designer steroid. And I'm sure that the ATD I used for post cycle therapy didn't help with it either, being that ATD acts as an anti androgen as well as an AI.

The second cycle with Ergomax solo was very nice. Bloating was the biggest side effect I experienced. Other than that, I packed on a solid 7lbs altogether. So ergo was a little less effective on it's own for me, but my libido didn't take a hit at all like in the 1st cycle. Libido was solid throughout...pun intended :)

The third cycle was Ergomax LMG with prostanny. Very nice, lean dry gains is all I can say. I believe I netted 10lbs from that cycle when post cycle therapy was all said and done. Not much of an increase in strength, but muscular endurance and recovery was phenomenol. Libido was still intact throughout the duration of the cycle.

So, the Ergo and Max LMG is definitely a very effective stack for both size and strength. The biggest drawback, again, was the destruction of my libido due to the progestin qualities of Max LMG. However, other guys have used this product and experienced an increase in libido from the max lmg. But I think I've read more reviews and logs where max lmg killed libido than elevated it.

Hope that helps :)
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Terminator LMG said:
Thanks for your input! I think I'll start at 50mg to see how I respond, and then bump it to 75mg the 2nd week. Damn, I'm gonna need 2 bottles!! But I definitely see what you're getting at. Phera Plex was a bit like what you described. It took forever for the PP to kick in, mainly because I wasn't using a high enough dose for my body weight.

I know that some compounds work wonders for some people's physiology, and don't do jack sh!tr for other people. I'm hoping I'm one of those who respond well to a low dose with Halo :D
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Cool bro - keep us posted on how the cycle goes.......
 
Terminator LMG said:
Sure, no prob :)

Cycle 1

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Max LMG

Cycle 2

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG

Cycle 3

Week1: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week2: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 75mg Prostanozol
Week3: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol
Week4: 20mg Ergomax LMG, 100mg Prostanozol

I made the most gains by far with the Ergomax and Max LMG stacked together. I gained a solid 15lb in LBM. Strength gains were also fantastic. I do believe what Author said that these two products were meant to compliment each other. Strength, size, vascularity, full body pumps 24/7, leanness...you name it, this stack definitely accomplished all of that. The biggest downfall to this cycle was the impact that the progestin derived steroid Max LMG had on my libido. Killed it for 6 weeks! Talk about embarassing. For that very reason I will never touch another progestin derived designer steroid. And I'm sure that the ATD I used for post cycle therapy didn't help with it either, being that ATD acts as an anti androgen as well as an AI.

The second cycle with Ergomax solo was very nice. Bloating was the biggest side effect I experienced. Other than that, I packed on a solid 7lbs altogether. So ergo was a little less effective on it's own for me, but my libido didn't take a hit at all like in the 1st cycle. Libido was solid throughout...pun intended :)

The third cycle was Ergomax LMG with prostanny. Very nice, lean dry gains is all I can say. I believe I netted 10lbs from that cycle when post cycle therapy was all said and done. Not much of an increase in strength, but muscular endurance and recovery was phenomenol. Libido was still intact throughout the duration of the cycle.

So, the Ergo and Max LMG is definitely a very effective stack for both size and strength. The biggest drawback, again, was the destruction of my libido due to the progestin qualities of Max LMG. However, other guys have used this product and experienced an increase in libido from the max lmg. But I think I've read more reviews and logs where max lmg killed libido than elevated it.

Hope that helps :)
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Regarding your libido - did you use ATD for the other 2 cycles or just your fisrt one? Because I used ATD after a PP cycle, and the PP put my libido through the roof - it was annoying - I couldn't get enough. But the ATD KILLED it. I stopped using it after 2 weeks and just stuck with the Nolva and I recovered a week later - but I will never use it again for that reason. I wasn't able to plow my wife one time because of it - that was embarassing.
 
TeamSavage said:
I think after Superdrol and PP people expect to make huge gains right from the start, in which case HD will disappoint. Seems like its just getting started in the third week for many people.
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Agreed. HD is pretty much Oral Turinabol. SD and PP are closer IN FUNCTION to dbol or the likes because they will pack on tons of mass quick but the gains are not as lean as they are with HD.

In my opinion, they have different uses so one should decide what they are trying to do first. HD would be great for a clean bulker or a recomp or even a cut. PP and SD are better for all out bulks.
 
Stupes said:
Regarding your libido - did you use ATD for the other 2 cycles or just your fisrt one? Because I used ATD after a PP cycle, and the PP put my libido through the roof - it was annoying - I couldn't get enough. But the ATD KILLED it. I stopped using it after 2 weeks and just stuck with the Nolva and I recovered a week later - but I will never use it again for that reason. I wasn't able to plow my wife one time because of it - that was embarassing.
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I used ATD after all three cycles. It took me three times too many to figure out that I will never touch it again. My wife feels the same way!
 
Terminator LMG said:
I used ATD after all three cycles. It took me three times too many to figure out that I will never touch it again. My wife feels the same way!
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Haha - no kidding - that **** is the worst.
 
Hey Terminator, r u going to do a log when u start the halo, I was going to do my second SD cycle, I had great gains, 12 lbs. the first time, but I am a little weary of using it again. I have a couple of boxes of the original halo and am itching to give it a try, maybe start in about 10 days........
 
RipdnTxs said:
Hey Terminator, r u going to do a log when u start the halo, I was going to do my second superdrol cycle, I had great gains, 12 lbs. the first time, but I am a little weary of using it again. I have a couple of boxes of the original halo and am itching to give it a try, maybe start in about 10 days........
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The cycle is simply an idea I'm working out at this point. It is by no means a definite. I'm still in the research stage right now. But you know, that's a good idea. I've been finding bits and pieces of information here and there about Halo and clones. So, I think I might just make a log of it if/when I do it and make it a point to cover and address issues that I couldn't find info on (could simply be that I suck at searching), along with everything else....put it all into one comprehensive log so that the next guy who comes a long searching will have a good and informative read ahead of him, or her.
 
Terminator LMG said:
The cycle is simply an idea I'm working out at this point. It is by no means a definite. I'm still in the research stage right now. But you know, that's a good idea. I've been finding bits and pieces of information here and there about Halo and clones. So, I think I might just make a log of it if/when I do it and make it a point to cover and address issues that I couldn't find info on (could simply be that I suck at searching), along with everything else....put it all into one comprehensive log so that the next guy who comes a long searching will have a good and informative read ahead of him, or her.
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I'll give you a headstart...heres a great read on Halo Invalid Link Removed

And yes, ATD is garbage. I ran it solo and got awesome strength but I also got dry joints, lethargy, moodiness and low libido. Those are definately not things I would want during PCT. I never understood why people used it.
 
Stupes said:
Totally agree on this - it seems to me that 6 weeks is a minimum for HD. But again - blood tests are not widely seen for this compound. We expect it to be easy on the liver - but who really knows? I think it's been taken for granted that it's mild...............
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I've had bloodwork done twice since i finished a 30 day of h50 last may and my lipids were "fine" according to my doc. everything was "good" except for my ldl which was 1 point too low. H50 was very mild on me except for the BP rise which cycle support took care of. gained 12#'s and didn't lose anything unitl this f*cking flu bug
 
Vicarious said:
I've had bloodwork done twice since i finished a 30 day of h50 last may and my lipids were "fine" according to my doc. everything was "good" except for my ldl which was 1 point too low. H50 was very mild on me except for the BP rise which cycle support took care of. gained 12#'s and didn't lose anything unitl this f*cking flu bug
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Vicorious - Do you happen to have liver values for the bloodwork done after the H50 cycle? How soon after the cycle was your first blood test?
 
Terminator LMG said:
The cycle is simply an idea I'm working out at this point. It is by no means a definite. I'm still in the research stage right now. But you know, that's a good idea. I've been finding bits and pieces of information here and there about Halo and clones. So, I think I might just make a log of it if/when I do it and make it a point to cover and address issues that I couldn't find info on (could simply be that I suck at searching), along with everything else....put it all into one comprehensive log so that the next guy who comes a long searching will have a good and informative read ahead of him, or her.
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If you do this, try to get some pre- and post- bloodwork if possible. I'm going to do the same when I get around to running a Halo cycle. For $50 you can get the liver panel and lipids done through Labcorp, so its only $100 total for pre and post. I did this for my Superdrol cycle and it was money well spent.
 
TeamSavage said:
If you do this, try to get some pre- and post- bloodwork if possible. I'm going to do the same when I get around to running a Halo cycle. For $50 you can get the liver panel and lipids done through Labcorp, so its only $100 total for pre and post. I did this for my Superdrol cycle and it was money well spent.
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what kind of results did you get with superdrol?

what dosages and what length of cycle?
 
MattHines said:
what kind of results did you get with superdrol?

what dosages and what length of cycle?
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Here's my thread with blood tests and mini-log:
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Dosages were 10/20/20/20.

I'm now finishing week 3 of PCT and I'm still at 223 from start of 205. So discounting the few lbs I gained from starting CEE during the last week of the cycle, probably +15 lbs overall. I ate for a lean bulk and definitely leaned me out a little too. Haven't lost any strength during PCT either. Keep in mind, though, that this was my first cycle in about 3 years.

Considering it treated my liver and lipids gently ( surprise! :) ), a very impressive compound IMO.
 
TeamSavage said:
Vicorious - Do you happen to have liver values for the bloodwork done after the H50 cycle? How soon after the cycle was your first blood test?
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no, i have nothing..I just asked if they were Ok and he said they were fine. had baseline done in 3/1 had second done 3 months after cycle and just had another last week
 
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