What is this chemical exactly?

[MGH1982]

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

It's from a new supplement coming out by RPN. it looks like sperdrol but modified... if it has anywhere near the toxicity of SD i am gonna count that out.

[xxtruxx1]

Superdrol is only heavily toxic when run with poor cycle support ancillaries & in overly high doses.

[t-bone2]

Superdrol is only heavily toxic when run with poor cycle support ancillaries & in overly high doses.

There are a lot of logs around where people's lipid profiles have been trashed when running superdrol at the manufacturer's recommended protocol even with a well thought out post cycle therapy plan. Not that the profile won't recover with a solid post cycle therapy, but if you already have a marginal profile to begin with I wouldn't categorically say "no worries" to the toxicity aspect of that supplement.

[Mulletsoldier]

There are a lot of logs around where people's lipid profiles have been trashed when running superdrol at the manufacturer's recommended protocol even with a well thought out post cycle therapy plan. Not that the profile won't recover with a solid post cycle therapy, but if you already have a marginal profile to begin with I wouldn't categorically say "no worries" to the toxicity aspect of that supplement.

Some also ran it with almost untouched values for both liver enzymes and lipids

[xtraflossy]

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

It's from a new supplement coming out by RPN. it looks like sperdrol but modified... if it has anywhere near the toxicity of superdrol i am gonna count that out.

My guess goes to..........

Epitiostanol
(2á, 3á-epithio-5á-androstan-17 â -ol)
* AS LISTED above, it is on the ban list.
Syntrax

*** CHEMICAL IDENTIFICATION ***

RTECS NUMBER : KC1035000
CHEMICAL NAME : 2-alpha,3-alpha-Epithio-5-alpha-androstan-17-beta-olCAS REGISTRY NUMBER : 2363-58-8
LAST UPDATED : 199706
DATA ITEMS CITED : 18
MOLECULAR FORMULA : C19-H30-O-S
MOLECULAR WEIGHT : 306.55
COMPOUND DESCRIPTOR : Reproductive Effector
SYNONYMS/TRADE NAMES :
* 2,3-Epithioandrostan-17-ol
* Epitiostanol
* 10275-S
* Thiodrol

*** HEALTH HAZARD DATA ***

** ACUTE TOXICITY DATA **

TYPE OF TEST : LD - Lethal dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - rat
DOSE/DURATION : >6 gm/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - somnolence (general depressed activity)
Liver - other changes
REFERENCE :
OYYAA2 Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. (Oyo Yakuri Kenkyukai, CPO Box 180,
Sendai 980-91, Japan) V.1- 1967- Volume(issue)/page/year: 7,805,1973

TYPE OF TEST : LDLo - Lowest published lethal dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Intraperitoneal
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - rat
DOSE/DURATION : 5 gm/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Details of toxic effects not reported other than lethal dose value
REFERENCE :
OYYAA2 Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. (Oyo Yakuri Kenkyukai, CPO Box 180,
Sendai 980-91, Japan) V.1- 1967- Volume(issue)/page/year: 7,805,1973




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http://hazard.com/msds/tox/f/q51/q879.html

[LakeMountD]

It is a structure similar to methyl DHT, the toxicity is MUCH MUCH lower than Superdrol however. In fact cholesterol only jumped 9 points and HDL only dropped 6, which is huge for a high dosage 4 week cycle. It is actually the methylated version of epitiostanol

[same_old]

It is a structure similar to methyl DHT, the toxicity is MUCH MUCH lower than Superdrol however. In fact cholesterol only jumped 9 points and HDL only dropped 6, which is huge for a high dosage 4 week cycle. It is actually the methylated version of epitiostanol

indeed - add a methyl group at 17a and suddenly it's legal

EDIT: Saying who sells it is the same as source posting.

[Rodja]

So would this be more for strength, size, or cutting? I know that methylization changes the actual hormone, but is there any info on the appropriate usage for this?

[LakeMountD]

[QUOTE=same_old]
....[QUOTE]

And that is supposed to mean?

[Rx Lift]

Can you guys provide us with a single study or a reference regarding the anabolic activity of the methylated form of Epitiostanol?

[LakeMountD]

Can you guys provide us with a single study or a reference regarding the anabolic activity of the methylated form of Epitiostanol?

Can't provide a study directly (although I have some coming, since some were in Japanese).

Anabolic Profile compared to methyl test: 1100% more anabolic
Androgenicity: 90% as androgenic

In rats of course.

[xtraflossy]

Here's a little morte information I have. I posted some in another thread also, I will try and move it here:
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

Methyl Version of
Epitiostanol
(2á, 3á-epithio-5á-androstan-17 â -ol)
* AS LISTED above, it is on the ban list.

-Excert:BK-
*It is a sulfur containing steroidal androgen.
*It is a 3b-2b thio derivative of methyl DHT. T
he numbers look really good on paper and in rats (about 1100% as anabolic as test and 70% as androgenic).
*It is probably very good for dry, hard, stength gains and not for "wet" gains.
*It also seems to work as a steroidal AI.

This product I believe was commerically made in Japan under the names Protabol and Hemoguno -

LMD (I don't know if he cycled it personally, or the company he works for) posted some bloodwork after a 4 week run.
havoc
(Borrowed from YeahRight)
From what I can tell, you won't be able to get your hands on it for a little bitt. I DO know that is goes pre-sale tonight, in case you like to be on the cutting edge

Link to a current log (now about 5 days in)
Testing Havoc Out! - Mind and Muscle Forums

[RedwolfWV]

It'll be interesting when the logs start showing up here.

[jmh80]

For those that don't know - Floss just posted stuff from Kellner (Mr. Halodrol).

[same_old]

edited by same_old:

LMD - if you would just include SOME degree of scope in your conclusions - ie. "for the one sponsored person that has used it and had bloodwork, cholesterol was not severely impacted. this person was using XXX and YYY as well to mitigate these risks, and bloodwork was taken ZZ days after cycle completion, etc etc..." this accomplishes the desired effect but doesnt piss off objectivist people like me also include any other trials, good or bad, if there are any.

[jmh80]

Same,
Come on man. Give us some credit. Ain't no need for attacks.

[same_old]

Same,
Come on man. Give us some credit. Ain't no need for attacks.

ok fine. i edited my post. i'll kill 'em with consideration instead

[LakeMountD]

edited by same_old:

LMD - if you would just include SOME degree of scope in your conclusions - ie. "for the one sponsored person that has used it and had bloodwork, cholesterol was not severely impacted. this person was using XXX and YYY as well to mitigate these risks, and bloodwork was taken ZZ days after cycle completion, etc etc..." this accomplishes the desired effect but doesnt piss off objectivist people like me also include any other trials, good or bad, if there are any.

What in God's name are you talking about bro? I am so confused? There are only so many people who have taken it considering not ONE company has actually shipped a bottle yet. I gave you blood work from someone who ran it next to me. I didn't get blood work because I used mine after a cycle of something else and didn't want that to interfere with the blood work results. I could have gotten the blood work and made it show up as amazing and lied but I am not like that.

As for you saying you respected my knowledge before, it hasn't changed. I was pimping LR3 IGF-1 long before ever started working for IBE.

[xtraflossy]

What in God's name are you talking about bro? I am so confused? There are only so many people who have taken it considering not ONE company has actually shipped a bottle yet. I gave you blood work from someone who ran it next to me. I didn't get blood work because I used mine after a cycle of something else and didn't want that to interfere with the blood work results. I could have gotten the blood work and made it show up as amazing and lied but I am not like that.

As for you saying you respected my knowledge before, it hasn't changed. I was pimping LR3 IGF-1 long before ever started working for IBE.

This is True!! - I remember many conversations fueled simply by the interest

- Lake, .. This is supposed to activate the ER, what are the effects of this as far as GH, IGF levels??
I'm not sure wether GH/IGF would decline due to the lack of estrogen, or increase.
In either case, would running some Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione along with this make up for any decline in these levels, or, if the methyl Epitiostanol increased these levels, do you think it would just be overkill?....

[Dwight Schrute]

Gentlemen,

I am going to state this once again so that people will understand and hopefully people will remember this because its inevitable that people won't.

Please keep the discussion to the compound ONLY. Do not bring into the equation of who sells it, where to get it, etc....

There is not a sponsor on AM that does sell this and we are no way affiliated with those entities, no matter how creative they are, that sell this material.

Remember, keep it to the COMPOUND ONLY.

Thank you.