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Old 11-20-2006, 12:23 AM   #1
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What is this chemical exactly?
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

It's from a new supplement coming out by RPN. it looks like sperdrol but modified... if it has anywhere near the toxicity of SD i am gonna count that out.
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Superdrol is only heavily toxic when run with poor cycle support ancillaries & in overly high doses.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:40 AM   #3
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Superdrol is only heavily toxic when run with poor cycle support ancillaries & in overly high doses.
There are a lot of logs around where people's lipid profiles have been trashed when running superdrol at the manufacturer's recommended protocol even with a well thought out post cycle therapy plan. Not that the profile won't recover with a solid post cycle therapy, but if you already have a marginal profile to begin with I wouldn't categorically say "no worries" to the toxicity aspect of that supplement.
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There are a lot of logs around where people's lipid profiles have been trashed when running superdrol at the manufacturer's recommended protocol even with a well thought out post cycle therapy plan. Not that the profile won't recover with a solid post cycle therapy, but if you already have a marginal profile to begin with I wouldn't categorically say "no worries" to the toxicity aspect of that supplement.
Some also ran it with almost untouched values for both liver enzymes and lipids


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2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

It's from a new supplement coming out by RPN. it looks like sperdrol but modified... if it has anywhere near the toxicity of superdrol i am gonna count that out.
My guess goes to..........

Epitiostanol
(2á, 3á-epithio-5á-androstan-17 â -ol)
* AS LISTED above, it is on the ban list.
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*** CHEMICAL IDENTIFICATION ***

RTECS NUMBER : KC1035000
CHEMICAL NAME : 2-alpha,3-alpha-Epithio-5-alpha-androstan-17-beta-olCAS REGISTRY NUMBER : 2363-58-8
LAST UPDATED : 199706
DATA ITEMS CITED : 18
MOLECULAR FORMULA : C19-H30-O-S
MOLECULAR WEIGHT : 306.55
COMPOUND DESCRIPTOR : Reproductive Effector
SYNONYMS/TRADE NAMES :
* 2,3-Epithioandrostan-17-ol
* Epitiostanol
* 10275-S
* Thiodrol

*** HEALTH HAZARD DATA ***

** ACUTE TOXICITY DATA **

TYPE OF TEST : LD - Lethal dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - rat
DOSE/DURATION : >6 gm/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - somnolence (general depressed activity)
Liver - other changes
REFERENCE :
OYYAA2 Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. (Oyo Yakuri Kenkyukai, CPO Box 180,
Sendai 980-91, Japan) V.1- 1967- Volume(issue)/page/year: 7,805,1973

TYPE OF TEST : LDLo - Lowest published lethal dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Intraperitoneal
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - rat
DOSE/DURATION : 5 gm/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Details of toxic effects not reported other than lethal dose value
REFERENCE :
OYYAA2 Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. (Oyo Yakuri Kenkyukai, CPO Box 180,
Sendai 980-91, Japan) V.1- 1967- Volume(issue)/page/year: 7,805,1973




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Old 11-20-2006, 01:51 PM   #6
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It is a structure similar to methyl DHT, the toxicity is MUCH MUCH lower than Superdrol however. In fact cholesterol only jumped 9 points and HDL only dropped 6, which is huge for a high dosage 4 week cycle. It is actually the methylated version of epitiostanol


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It is a structure similar to methyl DHT, the toxicity is MUCH MUCH lower than Superdrol however. In fact cholesterol only jumped 9 points and HDL only dropped 6, which is huge for a high dosage 4 week cycle. It is actually the methylated version of epitiostanol
indeed - add a methyl group at 17a and suddenly it's legal

EDIT: Saying who sells it is the same as source posting.
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:10 PM   #8
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So would this be more for strength, size, or cutting? I know that methylization changes the actual hormone, but is there any info on the appropriate usage for this?
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[quote=same_old]
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And that is supposed to mean?


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Can you guys provide us with a single study or a reference regarding the anabolic activity of the methylated form of Epitiostanol?
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Can you guys provide us with a single study or a reference regarding the anabolic activity of the methylated form of Epitiostanol?
Can't provide a study directly (although I have some coming, since some were in Japanese).

Anabolic Profile compared to methyl test: 1100% more anabolic
Androgenicity: 90% as androgenic

In rats of course.


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Here's a little morte information I have. I posted some in another thread also, I will try and move it here:
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

Methyl Version of
Epitiostanol
(2á, 3á-epithio-5á-androstan-17 â -ol)
* AS LISTED above, it is on the ban list.

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*It is a sulfur containing steroidal androgen.
*It is a 3b-2b thio derivative of methyl DHT. T
he numbers look really good on paper and in rats (about 1100% as anabolic as test and 70% as androgenic).
*It is probably very good for dry, hard, stength gains and not for "wet" gains.
*It also seems to work as a steroidal AI.

This product I believe was commerically made in Japan under the names Protabol and Hemoguno -

LMD (I don't know if he cycled it personally, or the company he works for) posted some bloodwork after a 4 week run.
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It'll be interesting when the logs start showing up here.


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For those that don't know - Floss just posted stuff from Kellner (Mr. Halodrol).


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LMD - if you would just include SOME degree of scope in your conclusions - ie. "for the one sponsored person that has used it and had bloodwork, cholesterol was not severely impacted. this person was using XXX and YYY as well to mitigate these risks, and bloodwork was taken ZZ days after cycle completion, etc etc..." this accomplishes the desired effect but doesnt piss off objectivist people like me also include any other trials, good or bad, if there are any.
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