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FitModel

FitModel

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I'm a somewhat experienced AAS/PH uses, have done various cycles...

I want to do a 4 week phera cycle (never used phera but hear good things about it)...I have a few things I'd like some input on...


1: Pheradrol or Phera-Plex? (I have read that Pheradrol is more potent)

2: I have Test Prop. and Tren Ace. left over from last cycle...I was thinking of running some test prop 125eod for the 4 weeks...

3: I'm prone to gyno so I was thinking of nolva 20mgs EOD

4: PCT - Nolva, Lean Xtreme, Rebound Reloaded, ZMA


Thanks for any input
 
FitModel said:
I'm a somewhat experienced anabolic steroids/PH uses, have done various cycles...

I want to do a 4 week phera cycle (never used phera but hear good things about it)...I have a few things I'd like some input on...


1: Pheradrol or Phera-Plex? (I have read that Pheradrol is more potent)

2: I have Test Prop. and Tren Ace. left over from last cycle...I was thinking of running some test prop 125eod for the 4 weeks...

3: I'm prone to gyno so I was thinking of nolva 20mgs EOD

4: post cycle therapy - Nolva, Lean Xtreme, Rebound Reloaded, ZMA


Thanks for any input
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1. They are both the same thing. The Pheradrol tested out to be ~12.5mg of active per pill, whereas PP was 10mg
2. I think the prop would be a good addition, but someone else can comment about the dosing scheme
3. I never had a problem with gyno on PP. It shouldn't aromatise, so nolva eod shouldn't be necessary. I wouldn't use it during the cycle, but this is just my opinion and you know your body better than anyone, so do what you think is best for you.
4.PCT looks good, but I would stick with the Nolva, LX, and ZMA. I don't know if the AI is the best thing to run during PCT, and I know there are those who are on both sides of the issue. I ran straight nolva 40/40/20 after my last PP cycle and I was fine. Again, this is just me.

Hope this helps.
 
yes, it does....thanks...

I was under the Impression Rebound Reloaded was primarily used for PCT...pyramiding down, in dosaging...

I also have letro...how about that...

I am prone to gyno, that's why I was considering running Nolva thought the cycle...(especially if u use test prop) however I have heard of people getting gyno from pp so if u say it doesn't aromatise then how do they develope gyno?
 
well, if ure prone to gyno and are on planning to use testosterone(although prop is a short ester), then its ok to use 10 mg nolva everyday, whatever other compound u use, keep test as the base, 100 mg or so eod is not a bad idea...
plus, please use some hcg post cycle. the things u have just wont work well enough imo...they will definitely help if u have the usual hcg+nolva/clomid.
 
1. buy some pheraplex or pheradrol. I think i would take pheraplex tho because it is the original. Try to get a bottle of pheramax too because it is 15mg so you can play with the dosages ie: 15mg max 10mg plex=25mg so you can go 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and find which dose best suits you.

2. Test prop is not a bad idea. Maybe run it for a total of 8weeks

3. 10mg should be fine although not needed if just a phera cycle. Throw some in there if you use the prop.

4.I think that PCT is fine. Only thing is you might need something for libido. If you run the RR keep the dose low because the nolva will do most of the job. i did 60/40/20/10 after my 4 weeker with phera.

Letro is bad. I think its only needed for very high amounts of aromatizables or during gyno emergency. Its just so strong from what i hear to be using for pct or "small" cycles.
 
4.I think that post cycle therapy is fine.
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well, not very familiar with the new products like rebound reloaded or whatever, but do u really think they replace hcg?
not enough to keep estrogen under control, we need a LH spike also in the system, so that the natural test production comes back.
 
raybravo said:
well, not very familiar with the new products like rebound reloaded or whatever, but do u really think they replace hcg?
not enough to keep estrogen under control, we need a LH spike also in the system, so that the natural test production comes back.
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the nolva (and RR) should keep estrogen in control, right? and if not I can use letro...?

I have used HCG before, only with longer cycles 8+ weeks, and to be honest it didn't seem to do anything, or perhaps mine was bunk, who knows...and there are so many different ways to dose it, i'd just rather not take it...(mind u, this is only a 4 week cycle)

I was told the main reason for using HCG was to kick start natural test production and keep ur boys from too much atrophied
 
no, letro is not needed, no need for aromatase inhibitors...nolva/clomid is enough...
dont know what u mean by u didnt feel hcg was doing anything? how do u tell its doing something? buy from a legit source and just use it and it will do its job.
also, personally, the cycle length doesnt matter, if ure using an androgen, use hcg.
 
raybravo said:
no, letro is not needed, no need for aromatase inhibitors...nolva/clomid is enough...
dont know what u mean by u didnt feel hcg was doing anything? how do u tell its doing something? buy from a legit source and just use it and it will do its job.
also, personally, the cycle length doesnt matter, if ure using an androgen, use hcg.
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I say that because I had considerable athrophied, which I thought was the purpose of taking HCG...also almost everyone I talked to (on this board) told me you don't need to use HCG unless ur cycle is of considerable length, most said not unless its 12 weeks or greater...
 
sorry man, i dont mean to offend anybody, but saying that u dont need hcg is a lot of nonsense...ask anyone who's done steroids for a long time, dont just take my word for it...hcg is a must.
 
raybravo said:
sorry man, i dont mean to offend anybody, but saying that u dont need hcg is a lot of nonsense...ask anyone who's done steroids for a long time, dont just take my word for it...hcg is a must.
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Why is HCG a must for such a short cycle? Sure, it couldn't hurt, but many people get little or no testicular atrophy from 4-week cycles. I'm on day 25 of a 4-week Superdrol cycle and my boys have shrunk 20% at most. They'll be back at full size within the first week of PCT.
 
length wise since they are oval i measured the sides of each haha guess you could measure width too but for you Team savage, youd have to go with centimeters ;)
 
Don't forget that the actual volume of the testes decreases exponentially as the width decreases. So a 50% decrease in width or length actually represents a >50% decrease in overall testicular size.

Balls aren't really balls, they're egg shaped. But let's assume they're spheres. The equation for calculating the volume of a sphere is:
V = ((4*3.14)/3) * R^3
So, if the width of the nuts is 4cm, then we come up with a volume of:
((4*3.14)/3) * R^3 = 1.675 * 64 = 107 cm^3
But if after a cycle the nuts have shrunken to half the original width, 2cm, then we come up with a volume of:
((4*3.14)/3) * R^3 = 1.675 * 8 = 13.4 cm^3

Thus, a 50% decrease in width or length actually indicates a whopping 87% decrease in total testicular volume!

This is why I love AM. We start the thread with a simple question about an upcoming Phera cycle, and end up discussing the mathematics of calculating how much your balls have withered during a cycle. :)

Perhaps there's a math major that can explain how to mathematically account for the testes' egg shape in this calculation?
 
lol, well its crazy to think about the changes in the ball size!
well, the reason hcg is used for a LH spike in the system, dont know about wierd ball size manipulations!
so whether there is difference in the size or not, a LH spike is what really gets the body to start up testosterone production, also, the estrogen from the hcg will force the body to produce more testosterone to balance elevated estrogen levels in the system.
nothing personal ofcourse, just sharing what ive learnt from my years of use and research.
 
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