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  1.  11-10-2006  02:27 AM
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    Need som advice to reduce SHBG


    Hi to all as im new to this board!

    I think i have some hormone problems, indicators of this is that im 22 years old but still havent got any real beard growth, not much hair on my cheast and gentle gynecomastia. Another thing is that i have been training for about 6 months and gained in strenght but not much in muscle mass. I went to a doctor two months ago and he checked my sperm, S-Testosterone and SHBG levels. It turned out that my sperm and S-Testosterone was normal (S-Testosterone was 28 in an interval of 8-35) but my SHBG was high for my age group (49 in a range of 15-50). The doctor didnt take my concerns about the high SHBG levels (which i think is the cause of my problems) serious beacuse it was in the "normal range". I dont know what to do and i really need some advice from you on how to reduce my SHBG to get rid of my problems with sparse beard growth and such.



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    Originally Posted by deukalion
    Hi to all as im new to this board!

    I think i have some hormone problems, indicators of this is that im 22 years old but still havent got any real beard growth, not much hair on my cheast and gentle gynecomastia. Another thing is that i have been training for about 6 months and gained in strenght but not much in muscle mass. I went to a doctor two months ago and he checked my sperm, S-Testosterone and SHBG levels. It turned out that my sperm and S-Testosterone was normal (S-Testosterone was 28 in an interval of 8-35) but my SHBG was high for my age group (49 in a range of 15-50). The doctor didnt take my concerns about the high SHBG levels (which i think is the cause of my problems) serious beacuse it was in the "normal range". I dont know what to do and i really need some advice from you on how to reduce my SHBG to get rid of my problems with sparse beard growth and such.
    I understand your concern. Here's probably the best answer/suggestion I can give.

    First, let's understand what SHBG is, how it works, where it's produced, etc. Knowing about SHBG will help you make an informed decision.

    SHBG, or sex hormone-binding globulin, is a glycoprotein which binds to sex hormones such as testosterone & estradiol (estrogen). Hormones bound to SHBG cannot enter a cell & activate the cell's receptor. If you were to get a blood test & check for bound testosterone, it would be test bound to SHBG. Only free hormones (free test) are bioavailable (able to enter the cell & activate its receptor). Therefore, SHBG inhibits the functions of hormones it's bound to. SHBG is produced in the liver & released into the bloodstream. SHBG is also produced by the brain, uterus (which we don't have to worry about), placenta, & testis.

    Now that you know a little about SHBG, let's check out some possible causes.

    You can have low or high levels of SHBG (obviously the only two choices). We'll focus on causes for high since that is your case. Some things that cause high SHBG levels are pregnancy (from what I know you don't have to worry about this), hyperthyroidism, & anorexia (more common in women, so screw this one too). Now, hyperthyroidism is a possibility. When was the last time you had your T3 & T4 levels checked? If I was you, I would recommend that you go back to your doctor & recommend that he has you take a blood test to check your thyroid levels. Tell him you further researched having high SHBG levels & concluded you wanted to get your thyroid checked. He might not go for it since you fall within normal levels of SHBG in a male (even though you are higher in the normal levels). You may also want to get your estrogen levels checked because high estrogen levels can also cause a rise in SHBG.

    Now for control. There are ways to lower SHBG. You can decrease SHBG through use of insulin or IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1). High androgen levels also decrease SHBG production & levels in the blood.

    Now, my opinion. Get your free test levels checked. If they are within normal ranges for your age, do nothing. If they are not, check your estrogen & thyroid hormone levels. If your doctor won't give you anything, I would begin by taking a natural testosterone enhancer/booster. This would help by increasing levels of free test. You may also want to take an anti-e to decrease the amount of estrogen active in your body. Based on your S-Test levels, I would honestly tell you that you don't have much to worry about. If you are concerned, go to your doctor first & regurgitate everything you've learned & ask him to authorize those tests. Even if he doesn't, you can still hit the labs & have them done (but you will pay full price). This should help. Once you get these done, come back & we can help you further.

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    Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
    I understand your concern. Here's probably the best answer/suggestion I can give.

    First, let's understand what SHBG is, how it works, where it's produced, etc. Knowing about SHBG will help you make an informed decision.

    SHBG, or sex hormone-binding globulin, is a glycoprotein which binds to sex hormones such as testosterone & estradiol (estrogen). Hormones bound to SHBG cannot enter a cell & activate the cell's receptor. If you were to get a blood test & check for bound testosterone, it would be test bound to SHBG. Only free hormones (free test) are bioavailable (able to enter the cell & activate its receptor). Therefore, SHBG inhibits the functions of hormones it's bound to. SHBG is produced in the liver & released into the bloodstream. SHBG is also produced by the brain, uterus (which we don't have to worry about), placenta, & testis.

    Now that you know a little about SHBG, let's check out some possible causes.

    You can have low or high levels of SHBG (obviously the only two choices). We'll focus on causes for high since that is your case. Some things that cause high SHBG levels are pregnancy (from what I know you don't have to worry about this), hyperthyroidism, & anorexia (more common in women, so screw this one too). Now, hyperthyroidism is a possibility. When was the last time you had your T3 & T4 levels checked? If I was you, I would recommend that you go back to your doctor & recommend that he has you take a blood test to check your thyroid levels. Tell him you further researched having high SHBG levels & concluded you wanted to get your thyroid checked. He might not go for it since you fall within normal levels of SHBG in a male (even though you are higher in the normal levels). You may also want to get your estrogen levels checked because high estrogen levels can also cause a rise in SHBG.

    Now for control. There are ways to lower SHBG. You can decrease SHBG through use of insulin or IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1). High androgen levels also decrease SHBG production & levels in the blood.

    Now, my opinion. Get your free test levels checked. If they are within normal ranges for your age, do nothing. If they are not, check your estrogen & thyroid hormone levels. If your doctor won't give you anything, I would begin by taking a natural testosterone enhancer/booster. This would help by increasing levels of free test. You may also want to take an anti-e to decrease the amount of estrogen active in your body. Based on your S-Test levels, I would honestly tell you that you don't have much to worry about. If you are concerned, go to your doctor first & regurgitate everything you've learned & ask him to authorize those tests. Even if he doesn't, you can still hit the labs & have them done (but you will pay full price). This should help. Once you get these done, come back & we can help you further.
    Thank you very much for the answer!
    I will go back to my doctor and make him check my T3, T4, estrogen, insulin, IGF-1 and free test levels and then return with the answers.

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    Originally Posted by deukalion
    Thank you very much for the answer!
    I will go back to my doctor and make him check my T3, T4, estrogen, insulin, IGF-1 and free test levels and then return with the answers.
    No problem, bro. Just glad I could help. Turns out this pre-med business is paying off lol.

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    get another doctor if your free test is low and he still won't give you anything

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    Why not try some bulk Nettle Root, or Activate from Designer Supps? It is supposed to free up bound test from SBHG. Add some ZMA to the mix at night and see what happens.

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    Originally Posted by Mach .78
    Why not try some bulk Nettle Root, or Activate from Designer Supps? It is supposed to free up bound test from SBHG. Add some ZMA to the mix at night and see what happens.
    Hey Mach,

    Those may all be good choices, but we are having to look at him from 360 degrees before we try and say heres how you help shbg levels.If he's got a slow Thyroid and high estrogen levels, those problems should be corrected by your doc. Not supplement rats.

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    Understood.

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    I believe growth of facial and body hair is regulated primarily by DHT, not by testosterone directly. So perhaps the problem lies in DHT metabolism or some other DHT-mediated issue.

    Get a second opinion from an endocrinologist.

    Look at the bright side... you're unlikely to go bald.

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    Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    I believe growth of facial and body hair is regulated primarily by DHT, not by testosterone directly. So perhaps the problem lies in DHT metabolism or some other DHT-mediated issue.

    Get a second opinion from an endocrinologist.

    Look at the bright side... you're unlikely to go bald.
    & he doesn't have to shave every other day!!

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    going bald and having to shave every day is the s#$ts.

    started a beard so I'd have hair somplace on my head...LOL

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    Nice info xxtruxx1

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    Originally Posted by deukalion
    Thank you very much for the answer!
    I will go back to my doctor and make him check my T3, T4, estrogen, insulin, IGF-1 and free test levels and then return with the answers.
    ask him if he'll do DHT also....low DHT (from a too-low number of 5AR enzymes) can also mean high SHBG (DHT preferentially binds to it over test i believe)

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    Dude - I WISH I didn't have chest hair.

    Mine honestly started to grow when I started taking pro-hormones - while I wouldn't advocate going on a cycle JUST to get facial/body hair, keep it in mind.

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    Originally Posted by jmh80
    Dude - I WISH I didn't have chest hair.

    Mine honestly started to grow when I started taking pro-hormones - while I wouldn't advocate going on a cycle JUST to get facial/body hair, keep it in mind.
    I look like Chewbacas stunt double.

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    Not in your av (but I think that is old - back when you started the ALRI tri-lean stack, right??)

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    Originally Posted by jmh80
    Not in your av (but I think that is old - back when you started the ALRI tri-lean stack, right??)
    One must time one's photo ops when Home Depot puts weed wackers on sale. Any woman who dates must be prepared to manscape me. Otherwise I get an old girlfriend to do it!!

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    Originally Posted by motiv8er
    One must time one's photo ops when Home Depot puts weed wackers on sale. Any woman who dates must be prepared to manscape me. Otherwise I get an old girlfriend to do it!!
    LOL. What a turn this thread has taken. Norelco Bodygroom for me. I used to use Nair (not for men) since my ex did it to me, but she burned my nipples once & I will never touch the stuff again just out of sheer fear. The Bodygroom is God's gift to men, besides women's little axe wound .

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    Yeah - if you get some combination of me, Motiv8, Jay, Dsade, Dr. D, or YR in a thread - you better be watchin' out for some thread jackin!
    Cuz we 'bout to take this mutha****a off-topic boyeeee!

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    It turned out that it was estrogen that drove up my SHBG levels. It is high but not too high just as it is with SHBG. Now im looking for a good estro-blocker. Nolvadex?

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