Exploring:New anabolic: MAX LMG --> Propadrol

[xtraflossy]

I found this while looking for information on that propadrol chem that looks like LMG, but claims that it is not..

Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4167517
Link to this Page: Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same - Patent 4167517

Abstract: New gona-4,9(10)-dienes of formula I ##STR1## where R is alkyl of 1 to 3 carbon atoms and X is Cl, Br, F, N.sub.3, SCN, CN, OH, OR'(R'=alkyl), NH.sub.2, a substituted amino group or a heterocyclic compound including nitrogen in the ring.
The compounds have valuable biological properties, especially hormonal and antihormonal effects, and can be used to advantage in pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of endocrinopathies and for reproduction control in human beings and livestock.

The invention also embraces a process for making the compounds by converting
3-methyoxy-13.beta.-R-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17.beta.-spiro-1',2'-o xiranes.

first to 17beta-hydroxy-17alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13. beta.-R-gon-5(10)-en-3-one,

then to the:

17.beta.-hydroxy-17.alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13.beta.-R-gona-4,9(10)-diene-3-ones of formula I.


Max LMG is 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Propadrol is 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene
Im not a chemist, but it looks like (either in nomenclature or design) for LMG they added an Ethyl??? - hell,.. maybe swapped the placement of the methoxy too.


maybe someone can chime in on IF this above artical has anything to do with anything...
I think where I am tring to go with this is:
Propadrol is to Max LMG what Pheraplex is to Ergomax

That propadrol could be a metabolite (altered or not) of Max LMG ~ the one responsable for the majority of the anabolic activity

Propadrol Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Caps
Servings per container: 40
Amount Per Serving
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 15mg

[kingofthechiba]

i did a max lmg cycle a while back and wasnt impressed at all. hopefully it has higher mg/serving. isnt xmass beefed up max lmg?

[Kris4153]

i did a max lmg cycle a while back and wasnt impressed at all. hopefully it has higher mg/serving. isnt xmass beefed up max lmg?

Yes its 45 mg vs 25 mg. Why didnt you like the cycle? What did your cycle look like? I'm probably going to do a ergomax and xmass cycle in january...

[kingofthechiba]

cant remember off hand what i was running but they werent puss doses. i just didnt see the gains i was expecting. do the ergomax its def. better than the max lmg version. havent done ergo but theres plenty of ppl here that have and got nice results. sry if this off topic of the thread btw!

[xtraflossy]

Right,.. just for the record:
* X-MASS is the same thing as MAX LMG, just different doses.
* Ergomax was so much fun! I wish I could get my hands on some damnit!
* Propadrol IS NOT another clone of XMASS or LMG.
IT's a different (apparently anyways) compound.


Hence, the posting and questions...

[yeahright]

Bump for an answer.

[pistonpump]

it would appear so.

[xtraflossy]

maybe someone can chime in on IF this above artical has anything to do with anything...
I think where I am tring to go with this is:
(Maybe)Propadrol is to Max LMG what Pheraplex is to Ergomax

propadrol could be a metabolite (altered or not) of Max LMG ~ the one responsable for the majority of the anabolic activity
??????????????????????

[TeamSavage]

maybe someone can chime in on IF this above artical has anything to do with anything...
I think where I am tring to go with this is:
(Maybe)Propadrol is to Max LMG what Pheraplex is to Ergomax

propadrol could be a metabolite (altered or not) of Max LMG ~ the one responsable for the majority of the anabolic activity
??????????????????????

My understanding is that Pheraplex isn't a metabolite of ErgoMax, it's simply 100% of the active isomer whereas ErgoMax is a 50/50 mix of the active and inactive isomers. Basically, PP and ErgoMax are the same compound, PP is just twice as active.

This does not appear to be the case with Propadrol, as it looks like a different compound altogether (albeit possibly a similar one).

I'm not a chem expert, though, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[xtraflossy]

It was a comaprrision, since they (MAX LMG and this Propadrol) look so related,.. In addition to the pubmed artical about metabolizing Gona-4,9(10)-dienes.

(ERGO was an 70/30 mix of 2 and 3-ene (DMT). your right about the 2-ene being more anabolic then the 3-ene)

But: DMT was a single compound, with these two metabolites combined. Pheraplex is technically no longer DMT, as that name implies the mixture of both.

Anyways...
R = alkyl of 1 to 3 carbon atoms

Max LMG is 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Propadrol is 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene

So Iguess I have 2 questions (let me know if Im beating a dead horse here..)

1) Are there carbon atoms that can be taken away from the 13-ethyl? (which would make it the 12-ethyl in Propadrol...??)

2) What part of the chain are the .-spiro-1',2'-o xiranes??
(what the hell is a "xiranes"???)


MAX LMG = Max LMG is 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Looks just like
3-methyoxy-13.beta.-R-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17.beta.-spiro-1',2'-o xiranes. (worded differently)

and These are metabolites of LMG....

"first to 17beta-hydroxy-17alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13. beta.-R-gon-5(10)-en-3-one, "

then to the:

"17.beta.-hydroxy-17.alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13.beta.-R-gona-4,9(10)-diene-3-ones of formula I."


~Propadrol is 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene

Im just tring to account where the 12 comes from )I think

[yeahright]

My understanding is that Pheraplex isn't a metabolite of ErgoMax, it's simply 100% of the active isomer whereas ErgoMax is a 50/50 mix of the active and inactive isomers. Basically, PP and ErgoMax are the same compound, PP is just twice as active.

This does not appear to be the case with Propadrol, as it looks like a different compound altogether (albeit possibly a similar one).

I'm not a chem expert, though, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think it's active and inactive isomers. I think Ergomax is a mix of isomers that are both active but one of which causes some negative side-effects. PP being the isolated isomer which has a purer benefit/cost profile.

If it were active and inactive, you'd expect to have to dose Ergo twice as high as PP and that's not the case. People dose them the same.

[yeahright]

Propadrol Log

[TeamSavage]

I don't think it's active and inactive isomers. I think Ergomax is a mix of isomers that are both active but one of which causes some negative side-effects. PP being the isolated isomer which has a purer benefit/cost profile.

If it were active and inactive, you'd expect to have to dose Ergo twice as high as PP and that's not the case. People dose them the same.

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

[yeahright]

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

Oh, I could be wrong. Don't take my word for gospel. That's just my understanding.

[xtraflossy]

I don't think it's active and inactive isomers. I think Ergomax is a mix of isomers that are both active but one of which causes some negative side-effects. PP being the isolated isomer which has a purer benefit/cost profile.

If it were active and inactive, you'd expect to have to dose Ergo twice as high as PP and that's not the case. People dose them the same.

I said that the 2-ene was the MORE anabolic/active.
I Love ergo- I like Erog better then Phera,.. Both the 2/3-ene are active and anabolic.
I of course beleive that the 3-ene is the more androgenic of the two isomers. I got hella hard, strong, ripped, and sex drive was better then on Phera (2-3n3 alone).

Anyways,.. Im not tring to go on about Ergomax, or Phera.

[Beebs]

I don't know if I would ever try something with the words "gona-die" in its formula.

[yeahright]

I don't know if I would ever try something with the words "gona-die" in its formula.

ROFL

[xtraflossy]

Thought I might bump this, see if anyone who hasn't been around for a while might be able to offer an opinion bout this stiff chemically

[Moyer]

"As you see, Propadrol consists of 2 separate compounds. I really can’t compare it to an existing product in the market place -- but I will try ….

6-17 dihydroxyetiochlone-3-ol-proponate, metabolizes quickly and increases endogenous levels of testosterone

12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 17 – unique , but if I had too compare it to anything , I would compare to the now discontinued Max LMG… Again, ours is structured differently & I am sure you know that changing a compound slightly can alter how a compound metabolizes, aromatizes, etc…"

Also, aren't the dosages of these two products quite different (Xmass requires a much larger dose)?

[Moyer]

Also, does anyone have more info on the other ingredient in Propadrol?

6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate