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A controversial question about test/deca

Rictor33

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I have 3 AAS cycles under my belt (all involving test and up to 750/week) and I was wondering if for a. The sake of bloating and b. The sake of hair loss if it would be ok to run DECA higher than test (by a good margin) I have heard both sides of the story.. Both people talking about how you have to run more test than deca or risk deca **** and those that say that an low-dose of test will keep you feeling good and beat deca shutdown. I have run test with good results before, but I seem to retain more water than others on it (look fat) and I'll be 26 soon and the hairline recession can be kind of lame at times. I plan on planning this cycle with some HCG as well to help with the shutdown that deca is sure to bring. Tell me what you guys think about this and if it's worth the shut-down risk. This is still being planned out and will not go into motion for some time so any advice you have would be appreciated.

Week 1-4 30mg dbol
Week 1-12 TEST E/CYP 250mg week in seperate shots (trying to keep the hrt-like dose levels stable in the blood)
Week 1-10 DECA 250mg every 3rd day @ 500/week (cutting short at 10)
Week 8-12 Winny 50mg/day (split doses)

Week 15-19/20 = P C T Clomid/Nolva/RBXT/ActivaTe/Fenu (got that down pat)
 
that will be absolutely fine, assuming that's enough test for you to counter deca d*ck

the only thing is 10 weeks is really short for deca extend the deca to 14 weeks and the test to 15 or 16

i would run hcg from week 3 until 3 days before PCT at 250iu 2x a week

and i personally hate orals but that's your choice buddy

good luck
 
I agree with Glen you should be fine but if you find that your not functioning well in the love department I would up the test to 350-400mg.
 
Rictor33 said:
I have 3 anabolic steroids cycles under my belt (all involving test and up to 750/week) and I was wondering if for a. The sake of bloating and b. The sake of hair loss if it would be ok to run DECA higher than test (by a good margin) I have heard both sides of the story.. Both people talking about how you have to run more test than deca or risk deca **** and those that say that an low-dose of test will keep you feeling good and beat deca shutdown. I have run test with good results before, but I seem to retain more water than others on it (look fat) and I'll be 26 soon and the hairline recession can be kind of lame at times. I plan on planning this cycle with some HCG as well to help with the shutdown that deca is sure to bring. Tell me what you guys think about this and if it's worth the shut-down risk. This is still being planned out and will not go into motion for some time so any advice you have would be appreciated.

Week 1-4 30mg dbol
Week 1-12 TEST E/CYP 250mg week in seperate shots (trying to keep the hrt-like dose levels stable in the blood)
Week 1-10 DECA 250mg every 3rd day @ 500/week (cutting short at 10)
Week 8-12 Winny 50mg/day (split doses)

Week 15-19/20 = P C T Clomid/Nolva/RBXT/ActivaTe/Fenu (got that down pat)
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If hairloss is your concern, using this would be a BAD idea. Its DHT Holmes!!!
 
Yes, I will have no problem upping the test to even 500mg if I am having problems with the love piston. In that case I will probably get my hands on some a-dex to prevent the stay-puff marshmellow face and double-chin that comes with it. What do you guys think about proviron for pct? I have heard alot of good things about it from other bros, but my PCT has never included it and it is not spoken about much on this board. I also read that letro is better than L-DEX at stopping aromatization. What do you guys think of that? And if I was going to run an oral in the beginning of cycle would A-Bomb @ 50mg be a better choice? And Glen why do you suggest that deca be run for 14 weeks? Don't you think that might be a little too harsh on the boys? Do you think that winny at the end of a cycle is a wise idea? Thanks in advance for any input you guys have.. I want to really nail this one when I get around to it.
 
Rictor33 said:
Yes, I will have no problem upping the test to even 500mg if I am having problems with the love piston. In that case I will probably get my hands on some a-dex to prevent the stay-puff marshmellow face and double-chin that comes with it. What do you guys think about proviron for post cycle therapy? I have heard alot of good things about it from other bros, but my PCT has never included it and it is not spoken about much on this board. I also read that letro is better than L-DEX at stopping aromatization. What do you guys think of that? And if I was going to run an oral in the beginning of cycle would A-Bomb @ 50mg be a better choice? And Glen why do you suggest that deca be run for 14 weeks? Don't you think that might be a little too harsh on the boys? Do you think that winny at the end of a cycle is a wise idea? Thanks in advance for any input you guys have.. I want to really nail this one when I get around to it.
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I know im not glen but ill add my .02 cents in here. Deca for 14 or more weeks would be optimal because of how long it takes to kick in. I beleive its close to EQ in which its like 7-9 weeks to fully kick in which only gives you 5-7 weeks if you go 14 weeks, if you go 10 ur cutting urself down big time.

Also if ur prone to MPB winny will hurt the hairline which is why motiv8er was pointing that out.

Also A-bombs may make you hold a lot of water but if ur not worried about it go for it. Start at 50 and if need be move up to 100.
 
I will use armidex in conjunction with a-bombs... My problem here is that since deca takes longer to kick in than the test I am wondering if having an hrt level test dose is a mistake.. It seems like between the abombs and the deca there are going to be 3 weeks where I have only 250mg of test working for me, which due to past cycle experience probably won't do **** for me. A solution I am thinking of (although maybe a little risky) is to run A-Bombs for 6 weeks instead of 4 giving the deca time to take full effect what do you guys think?
 
i would just run test prop its so much easier on your body than any oral

i said run deca longer for 2 reasons ... 1. it has a very long half life and takes time to build up 2. i think longer cycles are always better as your body has time to acclimate to its new weight and your hormones aren't yo yoing

you asked if it would be hard on the boys .. that's why HCG is for during cycle

i wouldn't run proviron during PCT as i do believe it will shut you down .. never really looked into it though

as for letro .. i find it to be TOO strong .. a dex is better .. but aromasin is best as it won't negatively impact your lipid values
 
OWWW test prop :) Not to sound like a total wimp, but is there anything that can be used to make the pinning a little less painful? And what do you think about the use of dostinex during this? I heard tons of good things about dostinex during a deca cycle.
 
well i don't really know what to say .. i pin prop eod and use prop in all my cycles .. it doesn't bother me .. i can delts, glutes, bis, and lats area all painless for me .. bis and lats were sore the first few times i injected in them ... after 3 go arounds they were used to being pinned and totally fine .. plus glutes, lats, and delts can hold a lot ... assuming you are big enough to be cycling in the first place

i really don't know enough about dostinex to comment ... i prefer eq to deca personally
 
glenihan said:
well i don't really know what to say .. i pin prop eod and use prop in all my cycles .. it doesn't bother me .. i can delts, glutes, bis, and lats area all painless for me .. bis and lats were sore the first few times i injected in them ... after 3 go arounds they were used to being pinned and totally fine .. plus glutes, lats, and delts can hold a lot ... assuming you are big enough to be cycling in the first place

i really don't know enough about dostinex to comment ... i prefer eq to deca personally
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Hehe yeah I'm pretty sure I am big enough to be cycling :) I have not used prop before, but I get very sore from test enan. I mean like I cant walk in quads or I can't sit properly in glutes. So I am guessing that if I get alot of soreness and pain from enan that prop could very well be the bane of my existence. I'll put my current stats up as well just to give you the peace of mind that you are not giving advice to someone you should not be.
6'
213 lbs
13%
bp 345 or now 275x9 (trying not to tear my fragile shoulder)
squat 395 (my knees can't deal)
dead 495

One of the main reasons for running deca is my joints... It seems that my left shoulder deteriorates when I cut down to 200ish and I am unable to do incline bench or DB presses. Hopefully repair some of the damage I have done with my heavy lifting over the years. That of course, remains to be seen.
 
what's the concentration your enan is at? i find anything above 250mg/ml to be pretty painful .. i don't get any pain from prop at100mg/ml personally .. a lot also has to do with how much BA is used

only one way to find out how bad the prop pain is haha .. of course adding more sterile oil to gear will cut the mg/ml and should lessen the pain
 
glenihan said:
what's the concentration your enan is at? i find anything above 250mg/ml to be pretty painful .. i don't get any pain from prop at100mg/ml personally .. a lot also has to do with how much BA is used

only one way to find out how bad the prop pain is haha .. of course adding more sterile oil to gear will cut the mg/ml and should lessen the pain
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Thats pretty funny because 100mgs prop ed KILLED me, i mean immobilized me yet 300mgs/ml of enan is treating me well :-D.
 
Rictor33 said:
OWWW test prop :) Not to sound like a total wimp, but is there anything that can be used to make the pinning a little less painful? And what do you think about the use of dostinex during this? I heard tons of good things about dostinex during a deca cycle.
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make your own. made with EO and prop is completely painless. I have a 150mg/ml that is completely painless
 
Rictor33 said:
OWWW test prop :) Not to sound like a total wimp, but is there anything that can be used to make the pinning a little less painful? And what do you think about the use of dostinex during this? I heard tons of good things about dostinex during a deca cycle.
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Use some test in a td and you can blast your hormones levels without feeling like a prick!
 
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