First injectable cycle!
- 10-25-2006, 12:56 PM
First injectable cycle!
Well Ive done a lot of research and this week I started my first injectable cycle! Today is day 3.
Here it is:
1-14 Test E 600mg
1-4 PP 20mg-30mg
1-14 Arimidex .5mg-1mg EOD
5-10 LR3 IGF-1 40mcg twice per week
5-14 HCG 250iu 2x/week
EDIT: was going to use it first 10 days of PCT but changed protocol
post cycle therapy
1-4 Nolva 20-30mg
1-4 Clomid 50mg
1-6 LR3 IGF-1 40mcg twice per week
I also have some old liquid Mag 10 which is a combo of 4ad and A1-E. Im taking that the first 10 days with my PP.
So far I can already feel the effects. Pumps and workout intensity was good the first 2 days. I got a little bit of pain from the injection that didnt hit until I woke up the second day. I'm hoping that my body will get used to the shots and this will not persist.
- 10-25-2006, 01:01 PM
- 10-25-2006, 01:48 PM
Don't take HCG during post cycle therapy, take it on cycle 2x/week @ 250iu.
It suppresses natty test, not exactly ideal during PCT...
10-25-2006, 01:53 PM
Ive heard mixed reviews on this. A lot of the guys that helped me out on another board say they have tried both and have better results with using it on PCT.Originally Posted by Jaxxx
I do like the idea of avoiding shutdown while on cycle tho. The real reason I was tempted to run it PCT is because I'm gonna be on for 14 weeks and I can only get HCG in 5000iu increments.
Do you think running it at 250iu 2x/week for the last 10 weeks would be good?
10-25-2006, 01:54 PM
Damn your going to be huge...how many pounds are you now? I would love to do a damn cycle but dont want to risk mail order...
10-25-2006, 01:58 PM
Starting at 190. Hoping to get close to 220.
Starting out eating at 4000 cals. Doing a push/pull split training 4X per week with 10-15 mins of low intensity cardio postworkout.
10-25-2006, 02:58 PM
yeah, i think you should be fine with that protocol. Ive done the same in the past and worked well for me.Originally Posted by MattHines
10-25-2006, 03:06 PM
10-25-2006, 03:10 PM
if you end up at 220 after this cycle at least 20lbs of that will be water and fat .. you simply CANNOT build that much muscleOriginally Posted by MattHines
also SWALE an HRT doctor has stated that 250-300iu 2x a week with HCG while on is best .. there have been studies posted about this .. HCG pct is old school and is much better used on cycle .. prevent the problem before it starts
10-25-2006, 03:10 PM
oh and don't use an AI until you see that its needed not only will it hinder your gains but it will crush your libido .. i never use AI's anymore
10-25-2006, 03:41 PM
but id venture to say youre not gyno prone either...Originally Posted by glenihan
nice cycle btw. The only thing that im kind of thinking you should do differently is maybe just maybe take the IGF out of the cycle and use it pct and beyond, carrying until you can cycle again. It will help you keep the gains.
How long does it take you to finish a workout? just wondering because push pull days seem to need to target so many muscle groups i dont know how people do it.
10-25-2006, 04:00 PM
I already started the AI but only at .5mg EOD (adex). I will try to phase it out and see if I need it or not.Originally Posted by glenihan
I'm just gonna keep a clean diet and adjust it to how I want to gain. Whatever I get, I will be happy with. I surely dont expect to put on pure muscle so hopefully I can stay above 200 after PCT.Originally Posted by gleniham
As for the HCG, I'm going to go ahead and use Swales/Dr. Johns advice. Ive just heard varying things but I'm going to go with 250iu 2x/week starting week 5. Its best to take HCG the day before you take your AAS right?
10-25-2006, 04:03 PM
[QUOTE=MattHines]I already started the AI but only at .5mg EOD (adex). I will try to phase it out and see if I need it or not.QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't advise doing that. There are a couple of negative side effects that could come from that as in estrogen rebound. Stopping it to see if you need it or not, to maybe find out you do, is not to wise. Just keep that dose.
10-25-2006, 04:07 PM
I've talked with Grunt about the IGF usage. People questioned using it on my first cycle but he said it would be a good idea. IGF creates hyperplasia and it takes time for the new muscle cells to grow. What better time to take it then towards the beginning of a steroid cycle? I figure the first run (weeks 5-10) will get some new cells then they can grow through the rest of the cycle and I'll hit it again in PCT to help retain gains and continue to gain. My dosage is very modest.Originally Posted by pistonpump
As for the workouts, I spend exactly an hour each day. I'm kind of a tweaker when I go into the gym...I cant just sit and wait on a machine. I do a lot of circuit training.
Normally on push day, I'll hit chest then hit a set of legs. Once I finish up about 5-6 sets on both chest/legs, I'll go and hit shoulders for about 5 sets. Once I'm done with that, I'll hit tris for 3-4 and get on the bike.
On pull day, I superset Upperback with calves/abs and then Traps with lower back and finish up with bis and then the bike.
10-25-2006, 04:08 PM
[QUOTE=Mulletsoldier]alright good deal....will doOriginally Posted by MattHines
I really started to feel libido kick up today so I dont think the adex is hindering it too bad.
10-25-2006, 04:28 PM
okay thanks for the 411. I havent really looked to far into IGF yet anyway but it makes sense.Originally Posted by MattHines
Why calves on pull day?
10-25-2006, 04:32 PM
Just to equal out the workload. I find it easy to hit upper back then hit a set of calves and then abs then repeat. Technically calves isnt a pull but thats just how Ive been doing it. I may change that.Originally Posted by pistonpump
10-25-2006, 04:32 PM
[QUOTE=Mulletsoldier]with all due respect i disagree with this ... the rebound should be entirely minimal .. i liked the idea of stopping until you need itOriginally Posted by MattHines
i just use HCG mon and thurs .. doesn't seem to matter when its used in relation to gear .. i would start on week 3 though instead of waiting until 5
10-25-2006, 04:33 PM
[QUOTE=glenihan]So, weeks 3-12 would be better then 5-14?Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
By the way thanks for all the help.
10-25-2006, 04:48 PM
well i actually meant week 3 until 3 days before PCT
10-25-2006, 04:50 PM
Id like to run it for the entire cycle but my dilemma is that I can only get it in 5000iu increments. So thats 10 weeks worth.Originally Posted by glenihan
10-25-2006, 04:53 PM
so get 2 vials HCG is really a blessing trust me when i say it makes not only the cycle itself easier but makes coming off a billion times easier
10-25-2006, 04:56 PM
i cant wait to start my cycle too. I think im coming down with something tho thats why i havent. I think after i get my flu shot unless i have the flu now, then ill start.
did you pin yet? if so details...
10-25-2006, 04:58 PM
Id love to but theres 2 things stopping me:Originally Posted by glenihan
1) Cost - I've already dropped ALOT of money into this cycle and just got done ordering IGF which aint cheap. I really cant afford it.
2) Supposively HCG should be used within 60 days of mixing it and I dont plan on using 10000ius.
Wouldnt weeks 5-14 be sufficient?
I mean this is just test with a jumpstart anyway. Most people told me I wouldnt even need HCG, although it obviously makes recovery easier.
10-25-2006, 05:00 PM
Yea. Easy as pie. Very painless. I did a glute inject with a 23G 1.5" Everything went fine but the next day I woke up with a pain in my ass...literally. Today it is feeling a lot better. The muscles need to get used to taking oil. I'll be pinning my other glute tommorow.Originally Posted by pistonpump
10-25-2006, 05:03 PM
well in that case run it from whenever you can until 3 days before PCT
10-25-2006, 05:04 PM
alright thanks Glen.Originally Posted by glenihan
I know im a pain in the ass
10-25-2006, 06:42 PM
It's fine.. and I like that you're using IGF on and then for PCT.
10-25-2006, 07:11 PM
If Ubi says its fine than its fine .. he's been hired as my official spokesperson
10-25-2006, 07:38 PM
it's fine after you went into more detail with the HCG sitchie.
10-26-2006, 12:42 AM
i would run the test for 12 weeks as a 1st injectable cycle, and i would run the igf before the cycle or better yet during post cycle therapy, there seems to be good feedback on running the igf during post cycle therapy, i'm a fan of not doing too much for a first cycle.
10-26-2006, 06:15 AM
he is using the igf for pct. How is the phera doing matt?Originally Posted by boti420
10-26-2006, 10:47 AM
Good good. I am on day 4. For some reason, hormonal stuff hits me quick. On day 1, I could tell a difference in water retention, pumps and a little increased acne. Now on day 4, I can tell my face is starting to dry back up. Acne really only hits me when the hormones are started or haulted but once my body levels out, its fine. I need to weigh in again but I'm sittin right around 190. Given, I am stacking this with Mag 10 but mag 10 will be gone in less than a week so then I will really be able to tell how PP is on its own.Originally Posted by pistonpump
10-26-2006, 10:49 AM
Just to clear this up...thats 3 days before i start my Nolva/Clomid/IGF, correct? This will actually be 11 days after my last test shot.Originally Posted by glenihan
10-26-2006, 11:21 AM
Yup, that should be fine.Originally Posted by MattHines
10-26-2006, 02:20 PM
11-15-2006, 02:37 PM
I got one last question:
I am going to be running HCG after my last inject up until 3 days before I start using SERMs. When should I cut out the Arimidex?
11-15-2006, 09:46 PM
GOOD LUCK BRO!!! I am at 200 pounds now. Working to 210. I probably won't hit 210, but 200 is a solid # for me.
11-15-2006, 10:31 PM
an aromtase inhibitor must be used while using hcg, the stuff boosts aromatase through the roof...its certainly not worth chancing that you might be resistant to gyno like glen
11-16-2006, 10:34 AM
Same here. I just hit 200...floating around 197-200 right now. 210 would be nice but 220 would be betterOriginally Posted by gotripped
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