Am I missing anything for this Cycle??

[Distilled Water]

Im 5'9" 195lbs. 9%BF and looking to bulk to 215lbs. I have done a few prior cycles of Masterdrol 4 weeks (10/20/20/30) and Pher-X 4 weeks (15/30/30/30). Both were great and blood work was perfect. In 2~3 weeks Im starting my 3~4 week M1T (5~10mg) cycle. I'm pretty sure I have everything, but I havent ran M1T before and I want to double check I have everything......

Cycle Supps:
AI's Cycle support
Truck Load of Taurine

PCT Supps:
Restore (4/4/3/2)
2 bottles PowerFULL or Fenugreek (which should I roll with and @ what doses)
ZMA (3 nightly)
DHEA (200/200/100/100)
*I also have Rebound XT (3/4 bottle, use it or not???)
Vitamin B6 (100mg 3x's a day)

Misc "ON" Supps:
Grub On
Ultamite Pump Stack (nutraplanet)
2 tubs Muscle Milk
10lbs. ATW protein
Glutamine (10 grams daily)
EAA's (10 grams daily)
EFA's (6 caps NOW Food brand daily)

Misc Pct Supps:
SizeOn
2 tubs Muscle Milk
10lbs. ATW protein
Ultimate Pump Stack
Glutamine (20 grams Daily)
BCAA's (20 grams Daily)
EAA's (20 grams Daily)
EFA's (same)
Cissus (2 grgrams Daily)

Shopping List/ Diet is good. Roughly 4,000 cals a day of ~400gr. Protein/400gr. Carbs/ 100gr. Fat (85-90% good). Will increase Calories by about 300-400 cals each weeks til done with PCT. During Pct I will drop carbs a bit.

-Alright guys how is everything looking?

 

[thesinner]

are you going to use nolva or clomid?

 

[Distilled Water]

are you going to use nolva or clomid?

I dont have access to any

edit: I didnt use either in the other two cycles either

 

[Pioneer]

I dont have access to any

edit: I didnt use either in the other two cycles either

cough* board sponsors*cough lame excuse


seriously, you should use one of them

 

[Skye]

def add some nolvadex. but in really this is overkill, I have seen a couple of people sup themselves into being sick on ocasion. don't over do it ether.

Big props for the preplanning

BTW M1T is basically anabolic rat posion so proceed at your own risk.

I would add some ALA of some kind though and I would go with the powerfull

 

[Distilled Water]

cough* board sponsors*cough lame excuse


seriously, you should use one of them

cough* Big thanks cough* stil kinda new here....lol

 

[pistonpump]

You really need clomid, nolvadex, or toremifene! M1 is not like the other two, it will shut your a$$ down hard and I dont even think all that other PCT stuff will help much with that. Dont make the mistake of running cycles without SERMs for PCT its just the safest most helpful way to do it.

Im kinda with skye on this, I think maybe eliminate the mass pump stack. If anything maybe just one type of creatine on cycle. But def use PFull, and the Mass stack post cycle. Isnt Restore an AI? If so then no need for the Rebound XT.

Why no multivitamins?

 

[TeamSavage]

Yeah M1T shut me down HARD. I'm not just talking about the testes, as it pretty much shut down my entire body and brain. I was definitely happy that I had Clomid, so get yourself some Nolva or Clomid.

You might also want to consider getting enough morphine so you can nod off for the 23 hours a day that you're not working out. In retrospect, I wish I had some during the 3rd week of my cycle to relieve the worst M1T side effect I experienced: "full-body misery". (On second thought, bad idea... would just suppress test production further.)

 

[pistonpump]

Yeah M1T shut me down HARD. I'm not just talking about the testes, as it pretty much shut down my entire body and brain. I was definitely happy that I had Clomid, so get yourself some Nolva or Clomid.

You might also want to consider getting enough morphine so you can nod off for the 23 hours a day that you're not working out. In retrospect, I wish I had some during the 3rd week of my cycle to relieve the worst M1T side effect I experienced: "full-body misery". (On second thought, bad idea... would just suppress test production further.)

how much were you using?

 

[TeamSavage]

how much were you using?

It was a very moderate dose. If I remember correctly it was 5/10/10 or 10/10/15. But it was a few years ago so I'm not 100% sure.

Normally I'm quite resistant to most compounds and don't get sick easily. For whatever reason M1T and my biology just did not get along at all.

 

[Markum1]

It looks like you've do your pre cycle home work. But... I would, without a doubt, have some clomid or nolva on hand if you must run M-1-raT poison. Remember, there are a lot of great PHs out there right now with no where near the sides of M1T. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Distilled Water]

Um..since im not a gold member can I contact boardsponsers thru PM???

 

[Skye]

Um..since im not a gold member can I contact boardsponsers thru PM???

no and be careful here as you should not be trying to find these type of things on this board. I can tell you that if you did a google search looking for "tamoxifen citrate research" you will get all kinds of threads that point to the right places and then some.

For more info on how to use this stuff I suggest visiting New Page 1

 

[Distilled Water]

no and be careful here as you should not be trying to find these type of things on this board. I can tell you that if you did a google search looking for "tamoxifen citrate research" you will get all kinds of threads that point to the right places and then some.

For more info on how to use this stuff I suggest visiting New Page 1

Thanks Man, big help.

Now I know

 

[Distilled Water]

Ok I have nolva and clomid. What would be a good PCT protocall now I was thinking
ps(I found an unopened bottle of Now Tribulus 1,000mg + Retain),
Week 1: 150mg clomid, 25mg Rebound XT, 200mg DHEA, 2gr. Tribulus, Retain 150 mg
Week 2: 60mg Nolva, 25mg Rebound XT, 200mg DHEA, 2.5 gr Tribulus, Retain 100mg
Week 3: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Rebound XT, 100mg DHEA, 3 gr. Tribulus, Retain 100mg
Week 4: 20mg Nolva, 75 mg Rebound XT, 100 mg DHEA 3.5 gr. Tribulus, Retain 50 mg

 

[Stupes]

Ok I have nolva and clomid. What would be a good post cycle therapy protocall now I was thinking
ps(I found an unopened bottle of Now Tribulus 1,000mg + Retain),
Week 1: 150mg clomid, 25mg Rebound XT, 200mg DHEA, 2gr. Tribulus, Retain 150 mg
Week 2: 60mg Nolva, 25mg Rebound XT, 200mg DHEA, 2.5 gr Tribulus, Retain 100mg
Week 3: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Rebound XT, 100mg DHEA, 3 gr. Tribulus, Retain 100mg
Week 4: 20mg Nolva, 75 mg Rebound XT, 100 mg DHEA 3.5 gr. Tribulus, Retain 50 mg

Don't get scared off by all these whiners when it comes to M1T. I'm in week 4 of an M1T cycle right now, 20mg a day. I feel great - the only sides I've experienced is a solid 10 lbs weight gain and nice strength gains. I recommend Liv 52 with some milk thistle for liver protectant. As for your PCT - DHEA is highly suspect to include in there. It is a hormone that could continue to hinder the HPTA - that risk compared to it's pitiful (if any) advantages, makes it not a good thing in PCT. Rebound XT? You like that crap? I guess you don't like getting boners - because that stuff beats your libido like a rented mule. I would just go with Nolva at 40,40,20,20. And maybe some clomid if you feel the need. The rest of that ****e is useless at best. Keep it simple, true, and proven - Nolva and stay with your diet and workouts - that's the best way to go.

 

[CHAPS]

I wouldn't go with M1t you just feel like plain crap on it and it's stupid harsh on your body. Why not do Testosterone enthanate+Superdrol, or Superdrol+Mega-TRN, anything but M1t, lol.

 

[Distilled Water]

Don't get scared off by all these whiners when it comes to M1T. I'm in week 4 of an M1T cycle right now, 20mg a day. I feel great - the only sides I've experienced is a solid 10 lbs weight gain and nice strength gains. I recommend Liv 52 with some milk thistle for liver protectant. As for your post cycle therapy - DHEA is highly suspect to include in there. It is a hormone that could continue to hinder the HPTA - that risk compared to it's pitiful (if any) advantages, makes it not a good thing in PCT. Rebound XT? You like that crap? I guess you don't like getting boners - because that stuff beats your libido like a rented mule. I would just go with Nolva at 40,40,20,20. And maybe some clomid if you feel the need. The rest of that ****e is useless at best. Keep it simple, true, and proven - Nolva and stay with your diet and workouts - that's the best way to go.

It was pretty close to what Dr.D had his PCT protocall as so I thru it out there. I know I talk to old timers at the gym and they sound like you so Im in a pradicament.

I have the Rebound XT because I ordered it on accident and used it for a week with DHEA and Trib. I got deathly ill and stopped all of them. I found all 3 a couple of weeks ago when I moved so....

I know I will use Nolva, Tribulus, ZMA, and Retain for pct thats for sure. I was on the fence about the DHEA so ill hear a little more before I make a decision.

I have no access to the real stuff my freind thats why I choose M1T, and I want to give it a run because it is no more. Got to try everything once!!!!!

 

[pistonpump]

yeah, i never tried DHEA for PCT or for anything for that matter. I dont like it and i think its suspect. ZMA, Retain, and tribulus a plus. Dymatize z-force is a zma supp with tribulus. its cheap too so give it a go maybe 2 bottles. I used RXT for PCT but i kept it at a lower dose than that. Still dont know if it is neccessary, does hurt libido tho'. Next pct im going to try some Maca too. I like the fact you got the Grub On during cycle, i dont know if it works but youll need an appetite stimulant in there cuz each cycle of M1t i did I found it hard to eat. i guess you should be starting soon...dont go higher than 15mg its really not needed.

 

[Distilled Water]

yeah, i never tried DHEA for post cycle therapy or for anything for that matter. I dont like it and i think its suspect. ZMA, Retain, and tribulus a plus. Dymatize z-force is a zma supp with tribulus. its cheap too so give it a go maybe 2 bottles. I used RXT for PCT but i kept it at a lower dose than that. Still dont know if it is neccessary, does hurt libido tho'. Next post cycle therapy im going to try some Maca too. I like the fact you got the Grub On during cycle, i dont know if it works but youll need an appetite stimulant in there cuz each cycle of M1t i did I found it hard to eat. i guess you should be starting soon...dont go higher than 15mg its really not needed.

Yea after my workout 2nite and talking to the old timers im over the DHEA.

What did u run/dose the RXT at. I have it so Im going to use it. Maybe 50mg Thru out??

Im going to use NOW Testo-Jack its 800mg ZMA + 250mg Trib + 100mg LongJack and other old man boner stuff...lol for about $15

Im waiting for my protein order because I have NONE :jaw: Then Im going to start the cycle on Oct. 30th and run it 3weeks maybe 4 if sides are tollerable. (I havent seen much in other cycles knock on wood). Im going to start @ 5mg for the 1st few days then 10mg. By week 3 if sides are ok @ 10 then I'll bump it to 15mg for the last 7 days or so.

I'll Keep a daily log. Hope to post pictures (need to find USB cord after moveing).

IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER ADVICE FOR THE M1T CYCLE, LET ME HEAR IT!!!!!!

 

[Stupes]

Yea after my workout 2nite and talking to the old timers im over the DHEA.

What did u run/dose the RXT at. I have it so Im going to use it. Maybe 50mg Thru out??

Im going to use NOW Testo-Jack its 800mg ZMA + 250mg Trib + 100mg LongJack and other old man boner stuff...lol for about $15

Im waiting for my protein order because I have NONE :jaw: Then Im going to start the cycle on Oct. 30th and run it 3weeks maybe 4 if sides are tollerable. (I havent seen much in other cycles knock on wood). Im going to start @ 5mg for the 1st few days then 10mg. By week 3 if sides are ok @ 10 then I'll bump it to 15mg for the last 7 days or so.

I'll Keep a daily log. Hope to post pictures (need to find USB cord after moveing).

IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER ADVICE FOR THE M1T CYCLE, LET ME HEAR IT!!!!!!

5 mg is not going to do anything for you. I would start with 15 and if you feel rough knock it down to 10. It's not like a real cycle where you will be on for 10+ weeks and have time to mess with doseage. You will be on for 4 weeks tops - why waste time? Start with 15mg and if you feel well after 2 weeks bump it up to 20mg. ZMA, Retain, and so forth are all fine in PCT - good choice to drop the DHEA. M1T does not convert to estrogen so when you come off cycle - you won't have much in your system and the Rebound will kill it even more. You need Estrogen for good cholesterol and for HGH output. Estrogen will allow you to keep some mass - it's important. The Rebound will hurt this big time. The Nolva will keep it under control but still allow it to exist - which is what you want. The only time the Rebound will help is if you take 25mg from the 4th week of Nolva and extend it out 2 more weeks - so you will have a 6 week PCT. This will prevent any Estrogen rebound from when you come off of the Nolva. That dose of 25mg is plenty - you don't want to much of it. More is not better - even in PCT.

 

[jomi822]

run a 6 week pct.

m1t has been shown in blood tests to be completely supressive up to two weeks after cessation of use. Youll also probably still make some strength gains for the two weeks after your last dose..its not uncommon.

DHEA for post cycle therapy is a horrible idea, and i dont know how it gained popularity. Low doses to even yourself out in the beginning are fine, but its the same as exogenous test, not to mention it forms some nasty E metabolites. maybe 50 mgs at the most for the first few days of pct until you natural production kicks in a little. anything after that and you might as well try doing pct on test prop.

i have seen 200mgs of DHEA boost test levels to 1600ng/dl.

using toremifene will knock your nuts back into shape in record time. I am a firm proponent of tor over chlomid/nolva. the stuff is amazing

 

[pistonpump]

5 mg is not going to do anything for you. I would start with 15 and if you feel rough knock it down to 10. It's not like a real cycle where you will be on for 10+ weeks and have time to mess with doseage. You will be on for 4 weeks tops - why waste time? Start with 15mg and if you feel well after 2 weeks bump it up to 20mg. ZMA, Retain, and so forth are all fine in post cycle therapy - good choice to drop the DHEA. M1T does not convert to estrogen so when you come off cycle - you won't have much in your system and the Rebound will kill it even more. You need Estrogen for good cholesterol and for HGH output. Estrogen will allow you to keep some mass - it's important. The Rebound will hurt this big time. The Nolva will keep it under control but still allow it to exist - which is what you want. The only time the Rebound will help is if you take 25mg from the 4th week of Nolva and extend it out 2 more weeks - so you will have a 6 week PCT. This will prevent any Estrogen rebound from when you come off of the Nolva. That dose of 25mg is plenty - you don't want to much of it. More is not better - even in PCT.

I like the advice for the PCT and the RXT thats kind of how i did it. but i started at 25mg EOD at a little before the end of SERM use.

I disagree with your advice for the M1t dosing. I believe you can still get gains equal to 20mg with just 10mg. Start slow its not a race. work your way up or just destroy lipids etc right off the bat if thats what you want.

 

[Skye]

Don't get scared off by all these whiners when it comes to M1T. I'm in week 4 of an M1T cycle right now, 20mg a day. I feel great - the only sides I've experienced is a solid 10 lbs weight gain and nice strength gains. I recommend Liv 52 with some milk thistle for liver protectant. As for your post cycle therapy - DHEA is highly suspect to include in there. It is a hormone that could continue to hinder the HPTA - that risk compared to it's pitiful (if any) advantages, makes it not a good thing in post cycle therapy. Rebound XT? You like that crap? I guess you don't like getting boners - because that stuff beats your libido like a rented mule. I would just go with Nolva at 40,40,20,20. And maybe some clomid if you feel the need. The rest of that ****e is useless at best. Keep it simple, true, and proven - Nolva and stay with your diet and workouts - that's the best way to go.

Whiners? I know of at least on case that a guy ran M1T for two weeks and got a worse liver panel then what 6 weeks 10 times the amount in A bombs. That is not whining, that is just being smart about what we are doing here. There just is no reason to run M1T now that it’s illegal; there are far safer ones that are just as effective. And there are some legal ones that aren't bad ether. There just really isn't any reason to run it and anyone taking M1T lightly needs to stop and think about what they are doing. And just because your not feeling the side does not mean that they aren’t there, 4 weeks on 20mg I know that your liver isn’t liking you too much right know.

 

[Stupes]

Whiners? I know of at least on case that a guy ran M1T for two weeks and got a worse liver panel then what 6 weeks 10 times the amount in A bombs. That is not whining, that is just being smart about what we are doing here. There just is no reason to run M1T now that it’s illegal; there are far safer ones that are just as effective. And there are some legal ones that aren't bad ether. There just really isn't any reason to run it and anyone taking M1T lightly needs to stop and think about what they are doing. And just because your not feeling the side does not mean that they aren’t there, 4 weeks on 20mg I know that your liver isn’t liking you too much right know.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that M1T is anything to be taken lightly - neither is Superdrol, Phera Plex, or any such oral steriod. But 4 weeks on M1T is not going to damage the liver permanately - it will cause stress on the liver - bad liver readings while on cycle is telling us just that - it's stressed. It will bounce back unless you go longer or do more than a couple 4 weekers a year. M1T should not be run for longer than 4 weeks and should not be run again for a long time after that. However - 5mg for a guy who has some steriod history is only going to poison his liver and get no actual gains in return - it's a waste. There are literally a couple hundred thousand people in this country that did 20mg or more of M1T for 4 weeks. It's the most used oral out there - because of it's former legalality. And it is now a bandwagon thing to freak out on a guy doing it - clowns who have never touched the stuff are spouting off like they are Patric Arnold. Do it right for 3 or 4 weeks or don't do it at all. That's my point and I'm sticking to it.

 

[jomi822]

There just is no reason to run M1T now that it’s illegal; there are far safer ones that are just as effective. And there are some legal ones that aren't bad ether. There just really isn't any reason to run it and anyone taking M1T lightly needs to stop and think about what they are doing.

m1t puts on incredible size and strength gains, very similiar to anadrol, only it doesnt have the estrogenic side effects. you dont bloat half as much and everyone i have spoken to leaned out considerably on m1t. people typically pack on some fat with anadrol.

i have never used a stronger steroid than m1t; moderate dosed test, deca, and eq dont even compare in my mind.

the only thing that could be considered close are high dose dbol and tren will provide similiar strength gains...at higher doses. anadrol is probably the closest match except for the differences i mentioned above. dont underestimate m1t. i am seriously considering getting my hands on some of the raw m1t powders coming in overseas.

 

[Stupes]

m1t puts on incredible size and strength gains, very similiar to anadrol, only it doesnt have the estrogenic side effects. you dont bloat half as much and everyone i have spoken to leaned out considerably on m1t. people typically pack on some fat with anadrol.

i have never used a stronger steroid than m1t; moderate dosed test, deca, and eq dont even compare in my mind.

the only thing that could be considered close are high dose dbol and tren will provide similiar strength gains...at higher doses. anadrol is probably the closest match except for the differences i mentioned above. dont underestimate m1t. i am seriously considering getting my hands on some of the raw m1t powders coming in overseas.

Exactly - that's the reason you would use M1T - because it works. It doesn't have the Estrogenic sides of A-Bombs or D-Bol but you get more Toxticity instead. D-Bol can be safely run for 6 weeks and with an AI - you cut down those sides - but also the gains. All orals are toxic - and there are some more toxic than the dreaded M1T - Halotestin surely is. Winni kills HDL and LDL like nothing else. Superdrol is no cakewalk either. People should realize that just because you stay away from M1T - that don't mean you can run Phera Plex 4 on 4 off for a year. M1T is harsh but people freak out on it and let other stuff ride. Makes no sense. Treat it with respect and take care of you liver protectants and don't take 5mg if you have experience because it's a waste of time and health.

 

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[Distilled Water]

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Thanks pal. I see u got a thing for Rachel Ray too....My girlfriend doesnt understand what i see in her. I think shes jelous lol.

Whats the conversion rate for liquid nolva? If i have a 60ml vial will that last post cycle therapy???? I NEED TO KNOW THE SOONER THE BETTER!!!!!!!

edit: 1 ml=20mg??? Im so sh*tty with conversions, damnit i knew i should have paod more attention in chemistry.

 

[pistonpump]

Exactly - that's the reason you would use M1T - because it works. It doesn't have the Estrogenic sides of A-Bombs or D-Bol but you get more Toxticity instead. D-Bol can be safely run for 6 weeks and with an AI - you cut down those sides - but also the gains. All orals are toxic - and there are some more toxic than the dreaded M1T - Halotestin surely is. Winni kills HDL and LDL like nothing else. Superdrol is no cakewalk either. People should realize that just because you stay away from M1T - that don't mean you can run Phera Plex 4 on 4 off for a year. M1T is harsh but people freak out on it and let other stuff ride. Makes no sense. Treat it with respect and take care of you liver protectants and don't take 5mg if you have experience because it's a waste of time and health.

amen.

off topic a little but, how would a low dose m1t be with a dbol cycle jumpstart? Ive been thinking about it for a couple days now. Guess maybe I'll start a new thread...

I cant wait for you to start distilled sounds like a M1t cycle with all the procautions taken. Hope the Grub On works.

 

[Distilled Water]

I cant wait for you to start distilled sounds like a M1t cycle with all the procautions taken. Hope the Grub On works.

Thanks I wish everyone would go about cycles like this, then alot of our goodies may not be banned.

As far as the Grub On goes I hope so to. Im eating about 3500 cals a day and its going great I find my self straving if I go more than 1.5hr. w/o eating so this is a good sign. Just keep your fingers crossed 4 me.

Another thing. I did a skin fold today in one of my college classes and it came back 7.8% :blink: and weighed in @ 192. Personally I dont think I look 7.8% but i hold ALOT of water (internal sodium problem nothing big) The sad thing is I lost almost a full inch on the pipes and chest after the 10 week hardcore trainning lay-off because of baseball season . The strength is stil there but the size is....on vacation????

 

[pistonpump]

well the size better get off its ass and get back to work! Guns need to be made! haha

I just hope that you dont even need the Grub On, I think the sides from most orals are just do to to much body stress. So with all the support supps etc im hoping that lethargy and loss of appetite dont start to crawl up your butt lol.

7.8% wow thats pretty f*ckin good bro.

 

[Distilled Water]

Hey I dropped the MASS PUMP STACK during cycle. BUT.....I have some creatine mono & CEE sitting around would it be worth useing? Somthing like 2.5gr. each pre & post workout?

I also cut out the EAA's & glutamine while "ON"

When i come "OFF" I'm putting 20 grams glutamine, 20 grams BCAA, and my Vitamin B6 in a gallon jub of crystal lite and drinking it throught the day. Sound like a good idea?

 

[pistonpump]

There is a thread posted here somewhere on the benefiets of creatine and oral steriods. That would be fine i would think. Go with the CEE if you bloat on mono.

I dont have very much experience with BCAA and glutamine besides whats in my normal protien shakes. Its probably a good idea tho'. You might still want to keep that while on too, IMO.

 

[Distilled Water]

There is a thread posted here somewhere on the benefiets of creatine and oral steriods. That would be fine i would think. Go with the CEE if you bloat on mono.

I dont have very much experience with BCAA and glutamine besides whats in my normal protien shakes. Its probably a good idea tho'. You might still want to keep that while on too, IMO.

Yea i bloat a bit on mono but i feel stronger on mono vs. CEE I'll do 2.5 of both.

I have to see what the pockets will allow withe the BCAA's+Glutmine while "on"

Heres the new PCT what u guys think
Week1: 40mg Nolva, 3gr Trib, ZMA, 3 Retain
Week2: 40mg Nolva, 3gr Trib, ZMA, 3 Retain
Week3: 20mg Nolva, 4gr. Trib, ZMA, 2 Retain
Week4: 20mg Nolva, 4gr Trib, ZMA, 2 Retain
Week5: 10mg Nolva, 3 gr Trib, 25mg Rebound XT, 1 Retain
Week6: 2 gr Trib, 25mg Rebound XT

Hows that looking guys---->liquid Nolva is 1ml=20mg RIGHT????

 

[Stupes]

Yea i bloat a bit on mono but i feel stronger on mono vs. CEE I'll do 2.5 of both.

I have to see what the pockets will allow withe the BCAA's+Glutmine while "on"

Heres the new post cycle therapy what u guys think
Week1: 40mg Nolva, 3gr Trib, ZMA, 3 Retain
Week2: 40mg Nolva, 3gr Trib, ZMA, 3 Retain
Week3: 20mg Nolva, 4gr. Trib, ZMA, 2 Retain
Week4: 20mg Nolva, 4gr Trib, ZMA, 2 Retain
Week5: 10mg Nolva, 3 gr Trib, 25mg Rebound XT, 1 Retain
Week6: 2 gr Trib, 25mg Rebound XT

Hows that looking guys---->liquid Nolva is 1ml=20mg RIGHT????

PCT looks really good. As for the Nolva dose - I use the tabs so I can't help you there. I'm sure someone will though.

 

[pistonpump]

Yeah the PCT looks good. I like 60mg the first week tho' but thats just me. As far as the nolva dosing, it depends on where you bought it from. The place i got mine at has it at 40mg/ml and that is excluding the citrate weight at the end of it. You might want to ask if they included the citrate in the dosing parameter. Yours doesnt say on the bottle?

 

[Distilled Water]

Yeah the post cycle therapy looks good. I like 60mg the first week tho' but thats just me. As far as the nolva dosing, it depends on where you bought it from. The place i got mine at has it at 40mg/ml and that is excluding the citrate weight at the end of it. You might want to ask if they included the citrate in the dosing parameter. Yours doesnt say on the bottle?

IBE 20mg/ml-60ml thats whay it says

 

[pistonpump]

then its 20mg/ml and you have 60 20mg doses in the bottle.

you would have to email them or something to find out if 20mg is 20mg of tamoxifen not 16mg tamoxifen and 4mg citrate. I know there is a thread on here where they breakdown the actual numbers/ratios.

 

[Distilled Water]

OK i just got done capping all of my Cissus from Nutraplanet, and thank god im done bc that was a b*tch.

-What would be a doseing protocal for Cissus while on M1T?
-Same as not "on" or what?
-Should I just save it for my tendons and joints, and possibly natural test, post cycle?

 

[Skye]

Ok I didn’t really want to rehash this old argument but I feel compelled to do so here. And let me add that this is not a flame or anything to be taken as anything other then my being concerned.

First off yes M1T does work. So does metribolone but you don’t want to take it ether. In the simplest of terms it has one of the highest costs in terms of heath of any popular steroid. That is why people like to run it in 2 week stints. And as for fluoxymesterone being more toxic then M1T I doubt that (it is debatable but from the few reliable bits I have heard suggest that M1T ranks first). It would be a close call at any rate. But the real reason it became popular was that it was legal, now that its not I just can’t see justifying using it when there are safer things (mostly stacks) that will do more or less the same thing.

And as for there not being anything comparable that is not necessarily true. It’s true that most things will not work that well at that dosage but you can safely run a LOT more of these then you can of the M1T.

50mg Dbol + your AI of choice, it would be much easier on the liver. Hell you could run more and still be safer (to a point, dbol is not easy on the liver, just easier then M1T)

50 to 75mg of tren ED with 50mg of proviron, if you don’t get ripped on this nothing will do it. And you will have none of the estrogenic side effects you guys are complaining about. If your really not wanting to inject or do a transdermal you can always eat the fina pellets (waste of money though)

1 gram of test a week, hell you could run 2 grams and be healthier then some of the M1T stacks I have seen.

50 to 75mg of Tbol (Chlordehydromethyltestosterone), you will not see the same level of gains but you will see some nice gains without the estrogenic side effects.

 

[Distilled Water]

Ok I didn’t really want to rehash this old argument but I feel compelled to do so here. And let me add that this is not a flame or anything to be taken as anything other then my being concerned.

First off yes M1T does work. So does metribolone but you don’t want to take it ether. In the simplest of terms it has one of the highest costs in terms of heath of any popular steroid. That is why people like to run it in 2 week stints. And as for fluoxymesterone being more toxic then M1T I doubt that (it is debatable but from the few reliable bits I have heard suggest that M1T ranks first). It would be a close call at any rate. But the real reason it became popular was that it was legal, now that its not I just can’t see justifying using it when there are safer things (mostly stacks) that will do more or less the same thing.

And as for there not being anything comparable that is not necessarily true. It’s true that most things will not work that well at that dosage but you can safely run a LOT more of these then you can of the M1T.

50mg Dbol + your AI of choice, it would be much easier on the liver. Hell you could run more and still be safer (to a point, dbol is not easy on the liver, just easier then M1T)

50 to 75mg of tren ED with 50mg of proviron, if you don’t get ripped on this nothing will do it. And you will have none of the estrogenic side effects you guys are complaining about. If your really not wanting to inject or do a transdermal you can always eat the fina pellets (waste of money though)

1 gram of test a week, hell you could run 2 grams and be healthier then some of the M1T stacks I have seen.

50 to 75mg of Tbol (Chlordehydromethyltestosterone), you will not see the same level of gains but you will see some nice gains without the estrogenic side effects.

Again thanks for looking out for me bro. Thanks to everyone for looking out for me. Thats why I love this forum......ok let me grab a Klnex and blow my noise and wipe my eyes...lol.

But no, seriously I appreciate it. I know what Im doing here. I can't get the gear u all speak of, and im under some athletic testing also so I have to be careful. Look at the log i started to try and prep for this harsh but rewarding cycle. (over look pct. I got that straighten out). I did my research and know what to expect good and bad. I have my mom who in an RN to check my vitals and all that good stuff 2X's a week. I just got bloodwork done a few weeks ago and Im healthy as a horse. Doc said my I was in great health. My liver, BP, & Cholesterol are wonderful and couldnt be better. And thats with to "sh*tty" prior cycle in which i didnt take near the appraoch i am now.

But back to the question about Cissus.....I want to take it for my joints and tendons, but Should I save it for post cycle for tendons and nat. test boost.

I have 200 grmas of it capped so I have enough to run during and post. What would to doseing protocal be "on" cycle? Same as "off"? Thanks

 

[pistonpump]

dose it on and off

 

[Distilled Water]

dose it on and off

So the whole 8~9weeks?? And at the same MG/day

2-3 1st thing am, and 2-3 (30-45min) pre-workout?

 

[pistonpump]

So the whole 8~9weeks?? And at the same MG/day

2-3 1st thing am, and 2-3 (30-45min) pre-workout?

how did you cap them? 00, 0 caps? with tamper? I was taking 9 caps, 3 each dose of the larger caps. I believe in high doses of cissus.

 

[Distilled Water]

how did you cap them? 00, 0 caps? with tamper? I was taking 9 caps, 3 each dose of the larger caps. I believe in high doses of cissus.

I went with "cap-em'-quick 00 with a tamper". I imagine this is what u capped them with so i think im going to do it like this 3 am, 3 pre-w/o, and 3 before bed. Hows that look?

 

[pistonpump]

I went with "cap-em'-quick 00 with a tamper". I imagine this is what u capped them with so i think im going to do it like this 3 am, 3 pre-w/o, and 3 before bed. Hows that look?

quote sounds good. Ive been off cissus for 2-3 weeks now and its not like it did anything crazy for me but i definately miss it. If i didnt have to cap them myself for the price of bulk i would take it year round!

 

[Distilled Water]

quote sounds good. Ive been off cissus for 2-3 weeks now and its not like it did anything crazy for me but i definately miss it. If i didnt have to cap them myself for the price of bulk i would take it year round!

Yea i hate it but 2day i told my brother to cap some other stuff if he wanted a ride..haha worked to perfection so I think im gonna try this shizzle for a few months. Im starting my cylce this monday hopefully!!!!

 

[Distilled Water]

!!!!i Am Starting A Log In The Supplement Log Section!!!!!

 

[pistonpump]

!!!!i Am Starting A Log In The Supplement Log Section!!!!!

on the cissus? i hope so....cause if your going to log the m1t cycle then do it in the steriod section call "cycle logs" or whatever it is.