Trenbolone Vs. Drostalone

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If you had to choose between Tren or Masteron as your only cutting/ hardening drug, what would you choose? Please take into account mass gain, hardness, fatloss, and sides.



According to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now.

In Depth Finaplix Profile!

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Finaplix

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Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as acetate)
Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 270.3706
Molecular weight of ester: 60.0524 (acetic acid, 2 carbons)


Effective dose: 40-70 mg every 2-3 days either transdermally, nasally or by injection
Average Street-price: $40 for a cartridge of finaplix-H
Available Doses: pellets of 20 mg, 100 pellets to a cartridge, 10 catridges to a box

Brands & Products:

Roussel Finaject (o.c.) 30 mg/ml
Hoechst Finajet (o.c.) 30 mg/ml
Hoechst-Roussel Finaplix-H 20 mg pellets
Ttokkyo Labs Trenbol75 75 mg tabs
Unknown company Agri-Vet /

Also see "Parabolan" profile.

Characteristics:

AAccording to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now. Since 1987. This is quite a shame. Both Finaplix and finaject are veterinary steroids and were readily and easily available for democratic prices. Finaject was an injectable and provided you could find a sterile source it was quite convenient. Now only finaplix remains as the original source of trenbolone acetate. The Ttokkyo brand trenbol75 surfaces from time to time as well, but its derived from the same material, though qualitatively not as pure. The problem with finaplix as opposed to finaject is that it comes in veterinary implant pellets, and trust me, you don't want to get one of these babies shot in your butt. So it needs to be converted to either a transdermal (often using DMSO) or an injectable. There are kits to achieve both. Trenbolone nasal sprays are gaining popularity as well.

Trenbolone acetate is rather short-acting but well liked because of its great availability and price. The alternative is the limited availability of Parabolan, a longer-acting trenbolone ester made for human use. Unfortunately certain lots only surface from time to time and they never sell cheap. They do act quite a bit longer. Parabolan (trenbolone as hexahydrobencylcarbonate) has the half-life of an enanthate meaning it requires less frequent injections. One of the major problems with finaplix however is that beginners making sterile injectable compounds isn't a wishful thing, and often leads to abscesses and infections.

The fun with Fina is that it causes small, well-maintainable and quality gains. Naturally it won't give you the sort of mass that testosterone or methandrostenolone would give, but it makes up for it by adding only quality mass (no estrogen formation, so no fat and water retention) which is quite easy to keep on your frame. In contradiction to many aromatizing steroids such as testosterone where a large portion of the gained mass is quickly lost again after discontinuation of the product.

It's also a very versatile product that can be used in a lot of different ways. One could easily stack it with testosterone, anadrol or dianabol for mass gains where the actions of trenbolone cause severe strength gains and add some quality to the mass. Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.

And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin-Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.

In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.

The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.

For those seeking to use trenbolone there are many online sources on how to make injectable, transdermal and intranasal forms if you can get your hands on fina. Some sites even sell conversion kits that make the whole even easier.

Stacking and Use:

Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.

A transdermal is made quite easily. Option number one is simply to get your hands on some DMSO, mix up a 50/50 mix of DMSO and water, add in the crushed up fina pellets and apply to the skin. The second is to make an alcohol carrier. You can find the necessary products at any local pharmacy and the more you buy, the cheaper it gets. All of it perfectly legal, easy to obtain since pharmacies are supplied 5 times a day and not too expensive. You need ethanol (as pure as it gets, I use SD40) and Isopropyl Myristate (IPM), a mix of isopropyl alcohol and myristic acid. Mix up 70% ethanol and 30% IPM and dissolve 50 mg per ml trenbolone in your solution. Meaning if you had a solution of half a liter (500 ml) you could add in 25 grams of trenbolone. Again, simply apply and let it dry. These methods will give you roughly 25% absorption of trenbolone.

To get the maximum it is recommended that you inject the stuff of course, but that's slightly more complex as you need to get rid of a lot of the crap they put in these cartridges. You will need sterile oil, solvent (lipophillic), 1 empty sterile container, A syringe filter, two syringes and 2 18gauge needles. Start by putting your pellets in your solvent, and let it sit. You want the pellets to become completely undone and dissolved in your fluid. This is imperative. Shake it up real good and then let it sit for 12-48 hours to let all the crap sink to the bottom. Now take one of your syringes and start transferring the fluid into the sterile oil. You can decant as well, but you really don't want any of the crud on the bottom to make it into this solution, so using the syringe and doing it slowly is the best way. Now take your empty sterile container and use a new syringe to transfer the oil. Attach a syringe filter between syringe and needle and slowly put the oil into your container, slowly filtering it. For everytime you repeat this step you need uncouple the filter/needle from the syringe, or else dirt will gather at the wrong side of the filter and get into your solution. In fact, if your container is a vial its advised that you leave the needle in the vial with the filter on it and you just use the syringe to refill and filter. This solution is now fit to be injected. Its still advised to hold the syringe with the trenbolone under some hot streaming water before injecting first though.


In Depth Masteron Profile!

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Masteron

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Pharmaceutical Name: drostanolone (as propionate)
Chemical structure: 2 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
Molecular weight of base and ester: 360.5356


Effective dose: 100 mg every 2-3 days
Average Street-price: $15-25 per ampul ($30-50 per two ampul package)
Available Doses: 50 mg/ml in 1 or 2 ml vials

Brands & Products:

Syntex Masteril (GB, BG) 50 mg/ml in 2 ml vials (100mg)
Metormon (o.c.) (ES) 50 mg/ml in 2 ml vials (100mg)
Sarva-Syntex / Cilag Masteron (B,PT) 50 mg/ml in 2 ml vials (100mg)
Grünenthal Masterid (o.c.) (G) 50 mg/ml in 2 ml vials (100mg)
Shionogi Mastisol (Japan) 5% injection sol.
Cassenne Permastril (o.c.) (FR) 50 mg/ml in 2 ml vials (100mg)
Unknown company Drolban (o.c.) 50 mg/ml in 1 ml vial

Characteristics:

Masteron is hard to find these days, if at all, and that's quite a shame for many competing bodybuilders because in terms of achieving the best results while shedding body-fat, nothing really beats drostanolone. Drostanolone is structurally a 2-methylated form of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which is formed when testosterone interacts with the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme. DHT is dreaded by many who fear androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and body hair, loss of hair and prostate hypertrophy. 5-alpha-reduction often mediates or speeds up such processes because DHT binds to the androgen receptor 3-4 times better than testosterone. That means androgenically speaking, no steroid is quite as powerful as DHT.

For those looking to reduce body-fat and water retention such a compound is literally a dream. Drostanolone, being 5-alpha reduced, cannot form estrogen upon interaction with the aromatase enzyme yet still shows a very high affinity for it. Because it takes up so much of the aromatase enzyme, yet is refrained from actually using it by its structural make-up, it reduces the amount of estrogen formed1 from other steroids as well because there are less aromatase enzymes to be used by those compounds to form estrogen with. This made stacking with slightly aromatizing compounds such as boldenone much more bearable as it eliminated even the slight aromatisation of such substances. So for bodybuilders the use of drostanolone is not only in limiting estrogens in question, but also eliminating possible estrogen formation from other steroids used during this time for increased anabolic or anti-catabolic activity. This because, especially for larger bodybuilders, drostanolone alone does not suffice to retain the maximum amount of weight.

The reduction of estrogenic capacity of course made drostanolone ill-suited for use as a mass-builder. In fact the gains on it were quite limited. Someone seeking to gain muscle mass rarely, if ever, resorted to a DHT compound. But coupled to its extreme androgenic qualities it lead to the perfect compound to retain strength and mass while shedding body-fat. The absence of estrogen refrained it from increasing water or salt retention, and there is evidence that the androgenic component may expedite the fat loss process2. The exact mechanims by which a rise in androgens stimulates fat loss is not known, but it is theorized that it may be due to catecholamine-induced (epinephrine, norepinephrine and dopamine) lipolysis, caused by the androgen increasing the number of beta-adrenergic receptors (the primary triggers for fat mobilization) on the membrane surface of fat cells. It is my understanding however that the noted decrease in body-fat is mainly due to a slight increase in lean mass and a stagnation of the body-fat, automatically resulting in a loss of body-fat in percentages, after recalibration.

This would also highly promote its use for power- and weightlifters as they compete in weight classes. Drostanolone can promote the increased strength while keeping body-fat the same or even lowering it. Allowing for an increased perfomance without the risk of being cast into a higher and more difficult weight class.

One possible use for drostanolone during the off-season, when gaining mass, may be DHT's affinity for the binding proteins of sex steroids : sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin. Normally a large amount of testosterone cannot be used by the body in anabolic functions because it is mostly bound to these plasma proteins. When testosterone is administered along with a DHT-compound, the DHT will take up most of the protein and allow the testosterone to exert its massive anabolic effects, thereby increasing the possible gains, especially in lower doses. Of course, due to the limited availability of drostanolone and its high price, this is the type of situation one usually resorts to mesterolone (1-methyl-DHT as in proviron) for. Its cheaper and equally effective to serve this particular purpose (but notably weaker in other aspects, since like DHT its readily deactivated in muscle tissue by the 3-alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme).

When discussing the side-effects, for once I'm going to go easy. This is because most people are well aware of the side-effects of DHT compounds and scared to death of them because androgenic side-effects caused by mass compounds like testosterone are largely attributed to the formation of DHT at the 5AR receptor enzyme. This may be a time to step back and look what sort of damage DHT can realistically do. An increase in acne is almost always noted, but if that doesn't seem to bother you with other steroids, then why with a short-acting androgen like drostanolone ? Hair loss seems to be the major concern, but if you've dealt with the use of steroids before or are educated to their effects you are aware that it merely speeds up a genetically pre-existing condition of male pattern hair loss (androgenetic alopecia). This condition only occurs in 30% of men and can easily be detected by examining the men on your mother's side of the family. Androgenetic alopecia is passed on through the X chromosome and thus in matri-linear fashion (mothers side). The rule of thumb being quite simple : if you have it, don't touch this compound, if you don't, then you don't have to worry. Yes, it really can be that simple.

That only leaves benign prostate hypertrophy (enlarged prostate) and the related conditions such as prostate cancer. Recent evidence shows that estrogen too is a mediator in the development of this condition, which would lead us to draw the conclusion that a purely androgenic compound, lest taken with a highly aromatizing substance, has considerably less risk for aggravating such a condition than DHT formed by testosterone. These last two paragraphs to show that perhaps the side-effects of DHT are largely exaggerated. But that doesn't mean they just went away because I said so, extreme caution needs to be exercised by individuals at risk for hair loss and prostate problems. But to add one last bit of perspective, keep in mind that this compound is injected and spread across the body evenly. When DHT is formed by testosterone, its formed in androgen specific tissues, meaning its mostly concentrated in scalp, skin and prostate, which isn't the case here.

Perhaps the most favorable effect of drostanolone is that it can increase muscle hardness and density in the athlete, giving him a more complete and finished look when he steps on stage. A lot of pure androgens have this effect. But with all of them you need an already rather low body-fat level for it to take full effect. A lot of people who had heard of this effect experimented with drostanolone and were sorely disappointed because they were too fat when they started.
 
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How did you like masteron? I just don't know much about that drug. I would like to hear more first hand experiences. How was it used? That kind of thing.
 
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I really liked Masteron.

I really liked Tren, but had gyno symptoms and a bit of a temper on it.

I also ran them together along with Test/Var and I thought it was nothing short of spectacular.

Drost is something I will always throw in at the end for a number of reasons. It has high SHBG affinity, DHT boner central and makes you look amazing if you are lean. THe aesthetic muscle quality it gives makes Drost live up to it's reputation. Some feel it is too expensive for the results obtained, but if you do your homework you can run it for pennies. wink wink.. nudge nudge
 
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I really liked Masteron.

I really liked Tren, but had gyno symptoms and a bit of a temper on it.

I also ran them together along with Test/Var and I thought it was nothing short of spectacular.

Drost is something I will always throw in at the end for a number of reasons. It has high SHBG affinity, DHT boner central and makes you look amazing if you are lean. THe aesthetic muscle quality it gives makes Drost live up to it's reputation. Some feel it is too expensive for the results obtained, but if you do your homework you can run it for pennies. wink wink.. nudge nudge
Ubi,

Anytime you want to add something constructive to my life at 4 AM, please give me a written warning!

That was exactly what I was looking for. Tren may be the ultimate at small amounts of LBM and fat loss, but it has some very serious sides as well. It is highly suppressive, can cause gyno, makes me like the incredible HOMER SIMPSON HULK when I am on it in my limited experience with it.

When I have been on really androgenic compounds, I have felt like a million dollars. I was confident and like you Ubi, one non-tittied raging mega-boner! Thanks for your response.
 
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I can't speak for masteron, but Tren was fantastic for me. Really awesome gains!

I find it odd that you had gyno, Ubiquitous. I'm not saying that you didn't (everybody response differently), but I always thought Tren had a really low amoratizing factor? Nonetheless, it is one of my top choices :head:
Tren converts to progesterone so it could still lead to gyno. Good thing we got Dostinex :D
 
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I find it odd that you had gyno, Ubiquitous. I'm not saying that you didn't (everybody response differently), but I always thought Tren had a really low amoratizing factor? Nonetheless, it is one of my top choices :head:
I can have problems with higher doses of Nandrolone and Trenbolone. As IW pointed out.. Progestins can add to the problem.

Oh and Motiv8, anytime Chipmunk... anytime.
 

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I love tren, but ya the sides such as sweating, and killing my sleep are no fun, i do wanna try Masteron maybe after my next cycle.
 

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I love tren, but ya the sides such as sweating, and killing my sleep are no fun, i do wanna try Masteron maybe after my next cycle.
i forgot about that sleep problems. ya, that was terrible. i had to take 3 tylenol pm's every night while on.
 
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Melatonin always helped me with that.. the sweating was the worst though. Actually no, the lumps were the worst... wait.. my temper.. yeah ...that was the worst part.

Ok, the lumps pissed me off so that anything would set my temper off and turn me into a sweaty ball of rage.

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the prop gave me more gyno problems than the tren. i just started post cycle therapy a week ago from a 14 week prop/tren cycle. i had bad gyno near the end. ive been on 60mg nolva ed for the past week along wtih 2 caps of rebound reloaded, 9 caps powerfull, 2g fenugreek and 250mg dhea. all i have to say is i love nolva. its a miracle for gyno. letro did nothing for me.

Hairy, at first when i read your post i thought you were saying you beat up a third grader at sunday school. SHEESH! you scared me...
 

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I used to have dreams of killing people as well but i've yet to wake up with the murder weapon, lol.
 
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I have heard a rumor about masteron I was hoping we could de-bunk. Is it true that after you stop using it you gain back the fat lost? I am sure you would not look as hard but is there a fat rebound?
 

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If i wanted to use masteron but get the same results as 400mg of Tren/ week what dose would i be looking at? 600mg? 700mg?
 

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If i wanted to use masteron but get the same results as 400mg of Tren/ week what dose would i be looking at? 600mg? 700mg?
i've never used either (MPB) but i'd say that is not a fair evaluation. they are completely different steroids. i reckon tren would provide more muscle, hurt libido more, be harder to recover from, etc...sides shouldnt be all that different though - aggression, hardness, strength, acne, etc.
 
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If i wanted to use masteron but get the same results as 400mg of Tren/ week what dose would i be looking at? 600mg? 700mg?
Chaps,

I wonder if it is possible to make gains on Masteron alone, I doubt it. I also have never thought about taking a DHT in that amount. Still I wonder the effects of 500-750 mgs of test and 500 mgs of masteron. I am certain you would feel pretty good and look pretty good. I also wonder how much more effective the masteron would make the test.
 
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i am looking into masteron very seriously to include in my next cycle which will be almost a year from now. i have tried tren and the side effect i cant stand is the sweating. My dreams are definitely strange on tren but after 2 weeks you dont really notice anymore. Tren also puts you on an emotional roller coaster...usually swayingg in the direction of aggression.

androgens and estrogens do have an effect on neurotransmitter function, inlcuding seratonin. if you are susceptible to anger problems TREN IS NOT THE DRUG FOR YOU.

i have heard less and less about masteron, though from what i can see sources are constantly sold out of it. what especially intriques me is its anti aromatase activity, it is in and of itself a powerful anti estrogen. i will have to see how its muscle hardening effects compare to tren's. I need a compound to solidy the deca bloat i will be dealing with
 

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i've run both separately and its not even a remote comparison .. tren is the gear of the gods .. masteron is a great precontest drug to get really hard when already at a low bf% but you'll lose all the gains (which are purely cosmetic anyway) after going off of it
 

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Thanks for clearing that up for me Glenihan, Tren it is boys :twisted:. I'll still try Masteron in the future though probably stacked with Tren, lol. Oh and since we are talkin strength, hardness and aggresion just thought i'd mention that my cutter will be test/tren/halo.
 
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i've run both separately and its not even a remote comparison .. tren is the gear of the gods .. masteron is a great precontest drug to get really hard when already at a low bf% but you'll lose all the gains (which are purely cosmetic anyway) after going off of it
Hey Glen,

Are you saying that the gains and fatloss from tren are maintainable provided you do the right things ending your cycle? I've heard that before but wasn't reallu sure. Do you like tren??


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That makes a big difference in my decision making then. If the minuses from tren were keepable I would be more attracted to to it. But if the benefitas fade apon cessation of the drug, that may be a deciding factor.
 
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Thanks for clearing that up for me Glenihan, Tren it is boys :twisted:. I'll still try Masteron in the future though probably stacked with Tren, lol.
I may run masteron with tren, and then for a period thereafter allowing the masteron to facilaitate some degree of recovery from the tren.
 

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Masteron in doses around 600-700mg+ is apperently awesome for strength gains from what i've heard. I've also seen a couple guys get shredded on it but even though tren is harsh as hell i still love it, i'll put up with whatever sides i get from it, the biggest thing that gets to me is the sleep or lack their of.
 

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Masteron in doses around 600-700mg+ is apperently awesome for strength gains from what i've heard. I've also seen a couple guys get shredded on it but even though tren is harsh as hell i still love it, i'll put up with whatever sides i get from it, the biggest thing that gets to me is the sleep or lack their of.
thats a biggie. i had to take tylenol pm for way too long of a period. couldnt have been good for me. id try to sleep some nights without it but i would lie exhausted yet awake as could be in bed. if i got on it again i would have to use some type of non-harsh sleep aid. is there a way to just get the sleep aid from the tylenol pm (dihy-something) and not the acetaminophen (pain reliever)?
 

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Thanks for clearing that up for me Glenihan, Tren it is boys :twisted:. I'll still try Masteron in the future though probably stacked with Tren, lol. Oh and since we are talkin strength, hardness and aggresion just thought i'd mention that my cutter will be test/tren/halo.

Just remember to lock up all the sharp, pointy objects when you go to bed! If Anybody sees you sleepwalking, I hope they book it out of there :run:

Sounds like an awesome cycle. Looking forward to your results.


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Hey Glen,

Are you saying that the gains and fatloss from tren are maintainable provided you do the right things ending your cycle? I've heard that before but wasn't reallu sure. Do you like tren??
the same goes for tren as with any steriod .. gains are never permanent and after long enough off you will lose everything and end up where you would have been had you been natural the whole time

with that said .. the cosmetic effects of masteron wear off in literally a few days to a week .. if you run proper PCT and keep a great diet and training properly .. you will maintain some of the strength and gains from tren for a nice long while

and yes tren is my favorite as i'm very lucky and experience zero sides (always run it with test)
 
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the same goes for tren as with any steriod .. gains are never permanent and after long enough off you will lose everything and end up where you would have been had you been natural the whole time

with that said .. the cosmetic effects of masteron wear off in literally a few days to a week .. if you run proper post cycle therapy and keep a great diet and training properly .. you will maintain some of the strength and gains from tren for a nice long while

and yes tren is my favorite as i'm very lucky and experience zero sides (always run it with test)



Would you say there is anything that compares to tren in terms of fat loss and temproary keepability? I have never done winstrol I wonder about that. Also, price NOT being a factor, I wonder how 300-400 mgs of primo with 500 mgs of test per week as far as gains go. For the price, DO TREN;)
 

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Look at the thread about best steroid for fatloss, Tren wins handsdown.

And ya i'll be a nasty mofo on my cycle, lol.
 

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Would you say there is anything that compares to tren in terms of fat loss and temproary keepability? I have never done winstrol I wonder about that. Also, price NOT being a factor, I wonder how 300-400 mgs of primo with 500 mgs of test per week as far as gains go. For the price, DO TREN;)

no steriod compares to tren in terms of fat loss and strength gains ... deca will definitely put a lot of mass on you .. but in terms of a true body transformation .. tren is the winner hands down ... but its a harsh steriod and i never run it longer than 8 weeks

this isn't taking anything away from test/eq which is a tremendous and safe stack :)
 

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Ya tren is unique in that you body just TRANSFORMS, you can look like a different person in 8 weeks, go i love Tren, can't wait to poke myself again, lol.
 

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