Anavar and Winny
- 09-14-2006, 01:17 AM
- 09-14-2006, 02:41 AM
Girls Like It
I dunno but always see women types reccommending this one to each other.
I think it is because the lack of Androgenic side (i.e. mustaches, and big clits)
Are you a girl?
- 09-14-2006, 06:14 AM
Originally Posted by mss05
Also I don't know what your goals are ( you didn't give any stats) but this is not going to be a gains cycle, harding and maybe cutting but not much for the mass.
09-14-2006, 12:18 PM
I am 21, 195 14-15%bf 6 foot and have been lifting for about 2 years. My main goal is to cut and lean out and anavar and winny are perfect for hardness. i only have a 6 week supply of the winny though so thats what i was inquiring about, starting it 2nd week, or just on week 1 and leave 2 weeks at the end for just the anavar?
09-14-2006, 01:17 PM
Make sure to have a very solid PCT planned out or you'll lose a huge amount of your gains if not all.Originally Posted by mss05
09-14-2006, 02:45 PM
yeah, i am not too worried about losing gains. usually gains from winny are pretty solid, and the anavar;s boost on my strength should def. help me gain more mass then with winny alone. i think i will run clomid for 4 weeks after my cycle. Only for the sake of testicular atrophy and a boost in my test. even though supposedly winny and anavar aren't supposed to shut you down... i;d rather a good gonadatropic pct, rather than nolvadex. Anyone agree?
09-14-2006, 05:52 PM
HUH?Originally Posted by mss05
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09-14-2006, 07:57 PM
gonadatropic...come on bro. Its what is in clomid and nolvadex and such. It stimulates the function of your bodys natural production of hormone levels.
09-14-2006, 08:54 PM
also what are some strength gains to look forward too? benching, squats, etc? any general ideas?
09-14-2006, 08:58 PM
I have a buddy doing almost the exact cycle you outlined, your not from b.c are you ? lol. He likes it hes up 20 lbs and ripped up quite alot, hardness, strength and an overall increase in smooth muscle fast twich fibres. Words taken from his mouth, ill see about the PCT as he assures he doesnt need one. Im like OK you dont listen to me anyways but time will tell.
09-14-2006, 11:29 PM
09-14-2006, 11:40 PM
I know i sound like a goof and it sounds unreal but its actually 18 pounds and i think he was undereating pre cycle and glycogen loading maybe. he ran var and winny along side and stopped the var after 8 weeks and kept the winny for 10 so far...Originally Posted by mss05
id go about it differently but i stil am a long way from messing with my hormones again. no post cycle therapy i forsee hes goona crash then get back on like most do who get addicted to the "ON" abilities and stats.
09-14-2006, 11:42 PM
Anavar is great for strength in my experience, but not so great for weight gain which is good or bad depending on your goals. Add in some test and you've got a winner.
09-15-2006, 12:36 AM
I would just up your var to 50mg a day and do 6 weeks. a penny for a pound at this point. in mind there is no reason to run a weaker part of the cyce in the begining or end, so just adjust the dosage of one or the other. 40mg a day of winny would also give you about 8 weeks worth instead of 6 at 50mg.Originally Posted by mss05
Then again I would not be running a cycle like this.
09-15-2006, 03:10 AM
why would you not run it? i have read great things. i am open for opinions
09-15-2006, 04:27 AM
for one its running two liver toxic steroids at the same time, your liver doesn't like that. Secondly winny is a double edge compond to start with, nothing like a steroid that makes you look great and feel like crap (esp the joints). Not to mention that it is a pretty weak cycle, if your running winny you can't be too worried about the sides so why not run some test in there? If the needles are a problem use a transdermal.Originally Posted by mss05
I suppose my biggest objection to this is that your getting a lot of sides for small gains. cutting is a funtion of diet and a lot of other steroids would work much better here anyways.
09-15-2006, 05:00 AM
Test is best. Listen to Skye. Tren is also notorious for its fat burning effects. Test alone would be great for a cutter if you nail your diet. Like skye said, steroids only help so much, but the majority comes from dieting habits.
09-15-2006, 11:59 AM
oh for sure, im not disagreeing with you guys. But see i didnt pick the gear per say. It's a gift, and i am def. not going to turn it down. i know theyre both 17aa methylated but shoot, people walk around as alcoholics everyday! so i figure your liver, being the most resilient organ in the body, should have no problem regenerating after 8 weeks instead of years of alcohol trauma. Thanks guys for your info., im loving it. I was on the bodybuilding.com forums... and what a bunch of &$$(#)$ amateurs.
09-15-2006, 02:55 PM
I like Skye's Idea too,
But I agree with the point about alcholics as well...
To sooth your concious perhaps you should run some milk thistle with it.... there is some clinical evidence to show that it does help
09-15-2006, 11:36 PM
make sure you have bloodtests done around the 4th week (liver profile). it's a pre-requisite for these types of cycles.Originally Posted by mss05
09-16-2006, 03:45 AM
09-16-2006, 06:34 AM
I dunno. Why not just get some test prop and run one or the other of the orals along with it? Test should always be the base to any cycle. I just don't like the idea of running two methylated orals together for long term reasons. However, whatever works for you.
09-16-2006, 12:34 PM
I agree with running test with the anavar and dropping the winny altogether. Both of these (winny and anavar) will be quite harsh on your liver. You could always sub some primo for the winny. I think that would definitely be a great alternative. The gains are very similar and there are way fewer side effects. I understand they were both gifts but I think they could be used in a better way.
Or you could go a totally different route and run Methoxy-PB&J with some transdermal Neosporin. This is a great combo for cutting.
09-16-2006, 02:41 PM
I highly recomend cycle support by AIOriginally Posted by mss05
09-17-2006, 07:34 PM
Anavr is not harsh on your liver. Longterm studies with children back this up.
09-17-2006, 07:45 PM
a55kisser but I concur.Originally Posted by Skye
09-17-2006, 08:29 PM
EDIT: Deep breathOriginally Posted by mss05
BOTH of those compounds will shut you down .... this cycle is both a terrible idea and a waste of time in my opinion
terrible idea because you're joints will hate you and they are liver toxic .. i hate orals
waste of time because you say winny gives you keepable gains ... i've got news for you NOTHING gives you keepable gains .. you lose everything you wouldn't have gained naturally after you've been off for long enough .. its a fact ... of course at your height, weight, and bf% you are no where near your natural genetic potential .. (no idea why you are using gear given that fact) ... but to the point its a waste of time because these aren't good drugs .. they will give you minimal gains .. test, deca, eq, tren these are GOOD drugs
finally short cycles are even harder to keep the gains from (i know people will argue) your body has no time to acclimate itself to newly gained weight and establish some homeostasis
Last edited by glenihan; 09-17-2006 at 10:59 PM.
09-17-2006, 10:28 PM
Maybe I just love needles, but why not go with good old Test & Tren ? Might also want to look into Toremifene instead of Clomid
09-18-2006, 12:49 AM
wow, did I ever leave myself open to that one LOLOriginally Posted by Ubiquitous
09-18-2006, 12:51 AM
I don't think that applies at the dosages we use it at. It may only be mildly liver toxic but it is liver toxic none the less. even proviron is some what liver toxic.Originally Posted by jarhead
09-18-2006, 12:57 AM
I believe I've read a few studies where it's been used in adults and is mildly toxic. Of course, like you're saying, these were HIV patients that were only using 20mg per day. They go onto say that at other tested dosages, i.e. 40 and 80mg it becomes much more so - two and three times respectively.Originally Posted by Skye
09-18-2006, 01:54 AM
im gonna have to disagree with the haters on my cycle, not only have i read about how great this cycle is, but i have seen friends who do great and keep great gains. not huge like from test. but good lean gains. Thanks anyways, but im still going through with it.
09-18-2006, 02:24 AM
Dude, you're going to do what you want. However, you're getting sound advice from the peeps here. There are far better cycles than what you are proposing to do. It's your long term health that you will have to deal with in the future. Best of luck anyway.
Who was it that said "ignorance is bliss"?
09-18-2006, 08:06 AM
I should have clarified what I meant. Of course all methyls tax the liver, but I was commenting on the post saying that it was "quite" harsh. In relation to other compounds we use(dbol, adrol,etc.), I don't consider Var quite harsh.Originally Posted by Skye
09-18-2006, 08:10 AM
There are studies where it has been prescrbed to people with liver disease, not just hiv. My point was that it is not "quite" harsh. It can be mildly harsh yes, but it less so than other compounds we use.Originally Posted by Shock133
"Oxandrolone has been extensively studied in children with growth disorders and adult men with alcoholic hepatitis, an inflammation of the liver that is often accompanied by wasting. It has been shown very safe and effective for treating alcoholic hepatitis related wasting and it is believed that the metabolic problems associated with this condition are similar to those found in HIV-wasting."
another excerpt note the first sentence:
Oxandrolone, a synthetic analog of testosterone with minimal virilizing activity and liver toxicity, attenuates muscle wasting after severe trauma, malnutrition, or acquired immunodeficiency virus.9,10 In severely burned children treated during acute hospitalization, oxandrolone significantly improved net protein synthesis, lean body mass, bone mineral content, synthesis of the hepatic constitutive proteins such as albumin and prealbumin, and attenuated the acute phase reactive protein levels.11–13 The aim of this study was to determine whether oxandrolone, administered for 1 year after injury to severely burned children, would attenuate catabolism and growth arrest and whether these positive attributes would persist after the drug is discontinued.
09-18-2006, 09:34 AM
Originally Posted by jarhead
Right, I've seen the ones about prescribing it to people with alcohol induced Hepatitis. You're right, it is just mildly harsh. I think everyone here agrees it's just not smart to take those two orals together for any amount of time. Long term health is an issue people don't consider near enough. But, everyone can do what they wish.
09-18-2006, 09:46 AM
Yeah, two methyls at once is more taxing on the liver, and usually it's just overkill taking two orals anyway imo.Originally Posted by Shock133
09-18-2006, 09:59 AM
exactly, and winny is harsh and your add to that.Originally Posted by jarhead
but he is going to do it and really I can't say too much here, some of the designer steroids cycles I have seen here are much, much worse,
09-18-2006, 10:05 AM
Well I am going to wish you luck but let me leave you with this, your getting a lot of sides for small gains. to put it in other terms this cycle is like paying a couple of hundred bucks for a gram of test, yes it will work and yes you will look good (winny is good for that if nothing else) but it will cost you far more then you need in terms of health. And not to be hating but that comment about them not being suppressive shows that you should do some more research. Good luck thoughOriginally Posted by mss05
09-18-2006, 10:24 AM
We hear ya. You posted, we responded. Maybe when you ask us questions you should realize we care about you more than you?Originally Posted by mss05
Friends don't let friends do ALL oral ALL Methyl cycles.
You'll have some gains, you'll look really good for a while...
When you are ready to grow, come back.
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