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    Top oral and Top injectible for STRENGTH


    I want to stack an oral and injectible with 10 weeks of 650-750mg of Enanthate

    As of now I was considering...

    1-4 Anadrol 100mg EOD
    7-12 Tren Enanthate 500mg

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    I would run Test with Tren, not an oral. Tren shuts you down hard.
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    I changed my mind to tren ace since i'm a first time user...

    7-12 tren ace @ 75mg EOD
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    I would run the test a week after the tren to help with coming off alot easier.
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    Wow I'm retarded today. I didn't notice you were running Test E. Idunk is right, run the test 2 weeks past tren.
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    i've run a cycle nearly like that before, my last cycle. test e, tren a, and drol. LOVED it. got stronger than an ox and didn't add much if any fat and still put on about 14 lbs.

    crazy cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 185
    I changed my mind to tren ace since i'm a first time user...

    7-12 tren ace @ 75mg EOD
    I would run it at the start weeks 1 to 11 and the test 1 to 12. the tren A is a good idea but if you are worried about the injections you can go with the tren e, I would just lower the dosage somewhat, 350mg a week is fine for a first time tren user really. Most of the problems people run into with tren is because they use too much (2 to 3 times as strong as test) so really 500mg a week is a lot.
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    I agree with Skye about the dosage but Tren ace would be your best choice because you don't know how you'll react to the Tren, most either love it or hate it. And ya even 75mg eod isn't a wimpy dose of this stuff.
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    i disagree with skye insofar as i wouldn't run tren ace for more than 8 weeks max .. its a really harsh compound on your body specifically your kidneys

    it always freaks me out when my first piss of the day is burnt orange/borderline brown
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    i disagree with skye insofar as i wouldn't run tren ace for more than 8 weeks max .. its a really harsh compound on your body specifically your kidneys

    it always freaks me out when my first piss of the day is burnt orange/borderline brown
    Not to mention the smell!! Its prolly not a good thing that anything coming out that end should smell like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liftbiggetbig
    i've run a cycle nearly like that before, my last cycle. test e, tren a, and drol. LOVED it. got stronger than an ox and didn't add much if any fat and still put on about 14 lbs.

    crazy cycle.
    what dosages and lengths did u run this cycle?
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    I've heard that it's a myth that Tren is hard on the kidneys, BUT it does act like a durietic so you need to drink alot more water, if you do that i'm sure you urine will return to it's normal color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 185
    what dosages and lengths did u run this cycle?

    weeks 1-4 75mg drol ed

    weeks 1-14 500mg test e

    weeks 2-10 75mg eod tren a
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    If I was going to be injecting eod anyway for the tren A, I would use prop instead of the enan. Faster acting test seems to lose less to aromatization and it would seem prudent to reduce circulating estrogen while on tren. For that matter I would also be sure to have an AI on hand ie. Letro, ADex etc.
    Perhaps even some Cab. for prog. control.
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    1-4 & 11-14 Drol

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    Ya i wanna do a cycle like this in the future, you'll be strong as HELL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    I've heard that it's a myth that Tren is hard on the kidneys, BUT it does act like a durietic so you need to drink alot more water, if you do that i'm sure you urine will return to it's normal color.

    its not a myth .. get bloodwork done while on tren and look at your kidney values .. they're bad ... tren is without question harsh on your kidneys
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    DAMN IT, i love Tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    DAMN IT, i love Tren
    LOL doesnt mean you cant use it! Just drink water and take AIs cycle support, ull be good to go!
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    Oh i'll use it! I'll LIVE on it! Muahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    Oh i'll use it! I'll LIVE on it! Muahahaha

    LMFAO!!! Im thinking im gooing to be the saaammee wayyy!!! That and test prop bro!
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    I know eh, i LOVE short ester gear now, it's awesome to have it kick in fast and leave your system fast, i also prefer shorter cycles i'd never do anything longer than say 16 weeks, with the majority of mine being in the 8-10 week range. Reading this thread and others about Anadrol makes me wanna try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    I know eh, i LOVE short ester gear now, it's awesome to have it kick in fast and leave your system fast, i also prefer shorter cycles i'd never do anything longer than say 16 weeks, with the majority of mine being in the 8-10 week range. Reading this thread and others about Anadrol makes me wanna try it.
    Yea i wanna try EQ real bad, winny, Dbol, Anadrol, Tbol, alla good stuff!! haha
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    On my list:

    Drol
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    EQ
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    Var
    Primo
    Halotestin
    Methyl Test
    Cheque Drops
    Masterone
    Test Suspension
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    I like the androgens
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    Hahaha hell yea!
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    Tren makes my pee smell like latex...
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    Quote Originally Posted by idunk42
    Not to mention the smell!! Its prolly not a good thing that anything coming out that end should smell like that.
    stupid bleeding kidneys lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    its not a myth .. get bloodwork done while on tren and look at your kidney values .. they're bad ... tren is without question harsh on your kidneys
    Yah but what I want to know is why are they bad? I have never had a good answer for that but it doesn’t mean your not right. I have kind of changed my mind on how long to run tren, though I have been running it at 400mg a week of tren e and my kidney values are decent. I really think most of the problems people have with tren is they just run too much. I am a big guy and I do just fine running about 50mg a day, I could probably run with less quite well. That with plenty of water seems to be good.

    And I am still not convinced that it is the tren itself that is hard on the kidneys,
    tren is def not for beginners but its not called the gear of the gods for nothing. Most of the horror stories you hear about tren is caused by people not respecting it, it is 2 to 3 times as strong as test and it tends to dehydrate you. If you keep these to things in mind its fine. I think most of the kidney "problems" is from the latter, people on cycle are usually taking all kinds of vits, protein, and other sups that the kidneys are having process while being short on water. That with the urine being darker is where I think that comes from. that is JM2C however.

    It also doesn't take much. 50 to 75 mg EOD work fine for most people to start, with about 75 to 100mg ed the max any sane person would want. I strongly suspect that the people that have problems with are also running too much. if your 180 and running 75mg a day that is as much as some take at 280 and up, this where I think people are having problems.

    I have to agree with bigpete on the stacking, more is not better with tren, half the time I think that you wouldn't notice weaker items over the tren anyways as it is that strong. test and tren works for ether cutting or bulking, for shorter cycles tren/dbol is one hell of a bulker. (watch out for those pumps.) for a really dry cutter you can stack it with provrion or/with primo. (be sure to have some proviron on had for any problems that "don't come up" as some people here have said that the primo did cut it for them) You should avoid running it with winny though, winny can make for brittle tendons and tren makes you strong as hell, not a good combo.
    Of course that may not be worth the paper its write on. But the other item here is that we seam to have new standards on what is harsh ( I don't like this much), I really doubt that running a low dose of tren for few of months is as bad as some of these designer steroid cycles that people run here. Hell it’s probably better health wise and with better gains. As I mentioned in another thread it is hard to fault people for doing things that used to be considered dumb when it’s an accepted practice now.

    None of this is to say that your advice wasn’t good, (it is) I have just had to change the way I think of some things.
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    If you decide to run tren might I suggest running HCG. Tren will shut you down hard as it is. HCG will make it a little easier for you to bounce back during PCT. 250iu 2x weekly should do the trick.
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    Honestly, I'm at 45mg eod Tren Ace & I feel it. My strength has shot up, probably higher than it ever did on any oral cycle I've done and it's only been the first week. Then again, I weigh about 190lbs so 45mg eod should do it for me.
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    It depends on how long the cycle is. IMO if he runs Prop along with Tren Ace for a short peroid of time (around 6 weeks for the Tren and extend Prop 2 weeks past that) there won't be a real need for HCG. I'd save the HCG for longer cycles.

    And now back to studying genetics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
    It depends on how long the cycle is. IMO if he runs Prop along with Tren Ace for a short peroid of time (around 6 weeks for the Tren and extend Prop 2 weeks past that) there won't be a real need for HCG. I'd save the HCG for longer cycles.

    And now back to studying genetics...
    True, but it looks to me like he's wanting to run it for 12 weeks; which is why I recommended the HCG. Personally I think that's way to long for a first time tren cycle, but to each his own.

    7-12 tren ace @ 75mg EOD
    Besides HCG is pretty cheap. It never hurts to have extra stuff on hand. Half the stuff I have in the fridge/medicine cabinet I probably don't need, but I'd rather have it and not need it instead of needing it and not having it.
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    Good point Sendo. I was thinking in the event he replanned his cycle to make it more suitable for a first time user. Definitely if it ends up being 12 weeks (anything longer than 8 total), HCG is an absolute must to keep the boys dangling happy!
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    HCG is nice but I wouldn't go so far as to catagorize it as a MUST. Will it keep they boys danglin? Yes. Will it aid in a smoother transition/recovery in PCT? Yes. Can and have many peeps done just fine without it in long suppressive cycles? Yes.
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