Is 1,4-Diol for mass or cuts?
05-05-2003 12:44 PM
Is 1,4-Diol for mass or cuts?
I've read a lot about 1,4-AD but there seems to be some confusion. It supposedly stimulates the appetite but then is claimed to produce "lean, hard muscle with increased vascularity" which sounds more like a cutting cycle.
Wouldn't something that stimulates the appetite be better for mass gains? What is 1,4-AD best used for, mass or cuts?
05-05-2003 01:18 PM
Its best for cuts if your able to controll your apetite. If you wanna gain mass just eat more. I would think its a waste of money to use it for bulking.
05-05-2003 02:18 PM
If you want to use it for cutting but are worried about the appetite than you may want to use an ECA product along with it to offset the appetite factor
05-05-2003 02:41 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
1,4 will help in a mass cycle. Not only will it increase your appetite but it also put more blood to your muslces hence this is why you get vascular but when you get more blood to the muscles the better. It can be used for both.. I would say for cutting keep it to 400mg/day max or the appetite will get out of hand and anything above that for bulking... Hope that helps.. talk to ya
05-05-2003 02:48 PM
I did 600 to 900 a day with no real appetite increase but I was eating a ton of vegtables every day so maybe that kept me full. I think if you know how to diet it shoiuldn't bother you.
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05-06-2003 12:47 PM
If I want to use 400mg a day, is it ok to split it into morning and afternoon doses or all at the same time?
What's the best time to take it?
05-06-2003 12:50 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
Spread it out in to at least 2 doses. This will keep the blood levels semi constant. It peaks in a couple hrs... I would take it in the morning and at night.. 200mg a pop.. Talk to ya
05-06-2003 04:32 PM
this winter when i bulk up again, I plan on starting my 1,4 dosages at 900, and possibly going up from there.
05-07-2003 02:25 PM
What a waste!!! Put it in a transdermal. I don't care what anyone has to say about the oral efficacy. I've been mixing it (dione version) in a transdermal 1:1 with 1-Test and the **** is powerfull. It will cut you up like a razor bro. 300 mg per day is more than enough in a transdemal. But beware, I've noticed that it's much more powerfull than 1-test when it comes to shutting the nuts down. These are my personnal observations, not something I read on a board somewhere else. Oral 1,4-andro will blast into your system way too quick to make the conversion to boldenone. You only have so much enzyme available at any given time to convert the 1,4-andro to boldenone. The transdermal will trickle in and convert much more efficiently. Oral will avert first pass in the liver, but end up in the toilet unconverted and unused. Originally posted by Jarconis this winter when i bulk up again, I plan on starting my 1,4 dosages at 900, and possibly going up from there.
05-07-2003 02:30 PM
Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. Use it for cutting. 4-Ad is way better for mass not to mention way less expensive.
05-07-2003 05:30 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
DDD do yu know any others that have used the 1,4 transdermally? TTY
05-07-2003 06:20 PM
Just in Trenabolx or whatever it's called, but it has 4-AD and 1-Test in it. I find most people on these boards look at weight gain only to judge a supplement. I'm way past that point after 18 years of pumping iron. Try whipping up a 1,4-Andro only transdermal, you'll see what I mean. Your water retention will drop very quickly. Your nuts will act as a barometer for conversion efficiency also. I did this for a 1.5 week trial out of self-interest before adding in 1-Test in a 1:1 ratio for a superior cutting mixture. I"ve tried quite a few different combos since money is not a factor. I actually found the transdermal 1,4-Andro to be even more suppressive on the libido and nuts than the 1-Test only transdermal. The 1-Test transdermal produces significant DHT to keep you functioning a bit anyway. The 1,4-Andro doesn't from what I can tell. I'll try just about anything, and have. Originally posted by curt2go DDD do yu know any others that have used the 1,4 transdermally? TTY
05-08-2003 12:07 AM
that was my theory. i"m getting ready to put my stack together. trying to decide if i should throw in some 3-alpha in. Originally posted by DDD
The transdermal will trickle in and convert much more efficiently. Oral will avert first pass in the liver, but end up in the toilet unconverted and unused.
05-08-2003 12:44 AM
I've never used 3-alpha. If your looking to cut up, it may be worth a try. That way you would probably see strength gains while you were cutting, as well as maintenance of your libido due to the DHT conversion of the 3-alpha. The 1-Test/1,4-Andro combo is great for cutting while gaining strength, but shuts your libido/nuts down. Holy ****!!! I think you're onto something here. Originally posted by primal1
that was my theory. i"m getting ready to put my stack together. trying to decide if i should throw in some 3-alpha in.
05-24-2003 11:51 AM
It's for cuts because it doesn't aromatize to estrogen. Like somebody once said: there are no steroids for mass or definition. Steroids are anabolic, hence they're gonna give you mass, the reason behind the myth about those steroids being for cuts was born because:
1. Some steroids like boldenone barely aromatize to estrogen, so they're not gonna promote water retention
2. Some steroids like winstrol are believed to be estrogen or progestin antagonists, which is not for sure by the way...
08-12-2003 04:20 PM
DDD - I used a transderm nordiol and 1,4-andro made by Chemo 16 weeks ago for a 8 week cycle. I decided on these 2 becaause of the low side effects... who wants that ****. It worked awesome for me! I got cut up.. went down to 8.5% body fat and added about 8 pounds. Libidio was awesome.
Unfortunately, I have to make my own brew now. I am going to make a bottle of Nordiol and 1,4-andro. Any idea about how many grams of 1,4-andro to add to the t-gel and how many squirts a day?
08-12-2003 05:29 PM
From my experiences, what works best is 10 grams of 1 test and 5grams of 1,4ad in one bottle, and 10 grams of 3beta and 5grams of 1,4ad in another bottle....do 1-2 squirts of eahc bottle2times a day and youll be set. I did this cycle twice and I hd 6 of my bros try it ou and hey all gained within 12-20 pounds on 4-6 week cycles. The thing with this cycle is that your stength goes up f**king awesome.
I was going to actually start to sell this stack on my new website and in my supp. store, but with the ban looming overhead i have decided to hold off on it for now. By the way, yes this is the stack I was lookin for testers for.
08-12-2003 06:42 PM
king of useless information!!!
Hey carson, would you mind letting me know what you find out about the grams of 1,4-andro you need added. I'm looking into a trans like what Chemo made for you for my cutting cycle as well and would like to avoid most of the sides from other PHs due to the MPB in my genes. Originally posted by carson33 Unfortunately, I have to make my own brew now. I am going to make a bottle of Nordiol and 1,4-andro. Any idea about how many grams of 1,4-andro to add to the t-gel and how many squirts a day?
08-12-2003 09:22 PM
www.1fast400.com they will sell the noraderm in a 12 gram transderm from advant labs and 1,4-andro in a powder form... which I bought today. I will mix it with t-gel from anabolicminds. I can not wait to get it. I bought 12 grams of 1,4andro powder.
08-12-2003 09:31 PM
Im not too familar wth 19no and 1,4aad stacked together. I dont think its going to be a great combo.... I really do think the best stack is what i mentioned above, its relativly cheap ad gives great results... its ot for those with mpb s it would def. be had on te hairline with two strong androgens.
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