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methyl-D

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Im planning a cycle for late fall. Was thinking of doing a standalone with phera plex. I had some gyno issues with my last cycle of ergomax lmg/4AD. I understand that pheraplex is supposedly "cleaner" and sides are less pronounced. Want to do 20mg ed for 4 weeks of pp and I was wondering if anyone had any sugestions on a good stack. Is Prostan stacked with pp only for cutting or can they work well together to add lean mass as well? While on my last cycle I was taking in 4500-5000 cal/day and plan on doing the same here. Already have nolva on hand for pct. I want to wait until late fall because of a back injury after my ergo cycle. Was forced to take 2 months off lifting and strength/endurance went to ****. I have been back into it now for about 3 months and I am almost back to where I was with the help of sizeon and cissus at 10 caps ed and of course protein. Im in no hurry to start this cycle. Still making great gains at the moment. I plan on logging this cycle as I have in the past. I have a great schedule this year to allow for proper eating and training. Let me know about stacks if you have any suggestions. I just want to keeps sides in check as much as possible. Thanks!
 
if you want to keep sides down then its simple just dont stack. What are your goals? Test prop would be good with short cycle of pp but im sure you are not going to do that. If you stack i would say keep both compound doses on the low side to aviod sides. run it solo first IMO.

I havent seen as much water retention from it as others have. for me personally i went 10mg for 3 days then 20mg then 25mg and tried 30mg but 30 is too much 25mg is good for me. week 4 i added 4mg Mega Trn and its all good right now.im going to stop PP at day 30 and continue TRN for a week after.
 
I'm not really a PP fan, but you can stack it with Pros to solidify the gains. If I was you though, I'd stack PP & SD over the course of 6 weeks. So weeks 1 & 2 are PP standalone week 3 overlaps with SD then weeks 4 & 5 SD standalone, maybe even throw Pros in weeks 3, 4, & 5.

There are a bunch of stacks & logs here on the board. I'm sure you'll find 1 you like if you can't come up with anything.
 
methyl-D said:
Im planning a cycle for late fall. Was thinking of doing a standalone with phera plex. I had some gyno issues with my last cycle of ergomax lmg/4AD. I understand that pheraplex is supposedly "cleaner" and sides are less pronounced. Want to do 20mg ed for 4 weeks of pp and I was wondering if anyone had any sugestions on a good stack. Is Prostan stacked with pp only for cutting or can they work well together to add lean mass as well? While on my last cycle I was taking in 4500-5000 cal/day and plan on doing the same here. Already have nolva on hand for post cycle therapy. I want to wait until late fall because of a back injury after my ergo cycle. Was forced to take 2 months off lifting and strength/endurance went to ****. I have been back into it now for about 3 months and I am almost back to where I was with the help of sizeon and cissus at 10 caps ed and of course protein. Im in no hurry to start this cycle. Still making great gains at the moment. I plan on logging this cycle as I have in the past. I have a great schedule this year to allow for proper eating and training. Let me know about stacks if you have any suggestions. I just want to keeps sides in check as much as possible. Thanks!
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I believe the best thing you can do is to run PP solo first. See how your body responds to it. I've seen tons of people gain 12-15lbs of lbm in 4 weeks. If you start stacking things left and right, it'll be harder to pinpoint where the problem is for future reference, if a problem does occur.

For example, with you last stack of ergomax/4ad it's hard to tell if it was the ergomax alone that resulted in gyno symptoms, or the combo of both that caused it, or if you would have been just fine with the ergomax alone and that it was the addition of the 4ad that caused it.

Plus, I doubt that adding another compound is going to result in any significant gains beyond the 12-15lbs you'll likely gain from PP solo to justify the addition of another compound. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I hope my advice is somewhat helpful :)
 
Terminator LMG said:
I believe the best thing you can do is to run PP solo first. See how your body responds to it. I've seen tons of people gain 12-15lbs of lbm in 4 weeks. If you start stacking things left and right, it'll be harder to pinpoint where the problem is for future reference, if a problem does occur.

For example, with you last stack of ergomax/4ad it's hard to tell if it was the ergomax alone that resulted in gyno symptoms, or the combo of both that caused it, or if you would have been just fine with the ergomax alone and that it was the addition of the 4ad that caused it.

Plus, I doubt that adding another compound is going to result in any significant gains beyond the 12-15lbs you'll likely gain from PP solo to justify the addition of another compound. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I hope my advice is somewhat helpful :)
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What he said. Do the PP alone, as long as your training + diet are dialed in, you'll see really good gains with minimal sides. Introducing another compound, like Prostan, while it is weak and non methylated, would not be wise IMO. More is not better, good luck.
 
hey thanks for all the replies/advice everyone. I will do a standalone pp cycle for 4 weeks 20,20,20,20. Seems like a smart thing to do being my first time with this compound. I will log it with before/after measurements and pics. Look for it around the end of Oct maybe. As far as PCT goes.....Is nolva my best option? I have it and have used it for pct last time but was wondering if it would be better to do as many do on here and go the otc route and just use nolva in case of gyno probs. I would appreciate advice on dosages as well for pct for this standalone cycle. Thanks!
 
run a search on toremifene. if you can find it, people have had faster restoration of natural test production on torem. Nolva is still the tried and true. 40mg week1 30mg week2 20mg week3,4. You can use ATD inversely to nolva 25mg, 50mg, 75mg. Something like Maca or Fenugreek for libido, run a search there is a lot of info on all this stuff. just look at someone else's log/PCT.
 
Might want to throw some Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support into your planned cycle, during and post cycle.
 
Thanks for the dosage recommendations pistonpump. Almost exactly what I was thinking except 60 of nolva for first week.

Ziricote I looked up cycle support that stuf seems great! Think ill get a bottle or 2.

Gogo I was told not to take nolva on cycle unless you are having gyno symptoms because it will hinder gains. Its kinda up to you I would say. Less gains but less chance of gyno too. Its a trade off
 
methyl-D said:
Thanks for the dosage recommendations pistonpump. Almost exactly what I was thinking except 60 of nolva for first week.

Ziricote I looked up cycle support that stuf seems great! Think ill get a bottle or 2.

Gogo I was told not to take nolva on cycle unless you are having gyno symptoms because it will hinder gains. Its kinda up to you I would say. Less gains but less chance of gyno too. Its a trade off
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Yea, just confused about these designer steroids that arent suppost to aromatize in General haha. I figured an AI would hinder gains since some estrogen can be beneficial. I figured a Serm would not hinder gains since it is only concerned on one area ( Breast Tissue).

Plus some say these methylated non aromatizing steroids have prolactine issues that come along with them so maybe some bromo would be beneficial instead of nolva on cycle. Who knows.
 
gogo said:
Yea, just confused about these designer steroids that arent suppost to aromatize in General haha. I figured an AI would hinder gains since some estrogen can be beneficial. I figured a Serm would not hinder gains since it is only concerned on one area ( Breast Tissue).

Plus some say these methylated non aromatizing steroids have prolactine issues that come along with them so maybe some bromo would be beneficial instead of nolva on cycle. Who knows.
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ALRI's Restore product looks like it is shaping up to be a great addition (if not an absolute must for optimal recovery) to a PCT stack, as it has not only the 6-bromo, but also ingredients that address the prolactin issue.
 
I think I am prolactin sensitive, which is why I had some gyno issues with ergo. Nolva didnt help much. ALRI's Restore sounds interesting. Maybe Ill get a bottle to have on hand for pct or if prolactin becoms an issue with the PP, I could always take it on cycle as well. GOGO, I can tell you I was taking ATD on ergo and still experienced outstanding size and strength gains.
 
methyl-D said:
I think I am prolactin sensitive, which is why I had some gyno issues with ergo. Nolva didnt help much. ALRI's Restore sounds interesting. Maybe Ill get a bottle to have on hand for post cycle therapy or if prolactin becoms an issue with the PP, I could always take it on cycle as well. GOGO, I can tell you I was taking ATD on ergo and still experienced outstanding size and strength gains.
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Yea? Im not yet sure if i should take an Ai or something to help with prolactin because i have not figured out whats causing people to get sensitive nips off pp on cycle. :blink:
 
gogo said:
Yea? Im not yet sure if i should take an Ai or something to help with prolactin because i have not figured out whats causing people to get sensitive nips off pp on cycle. :blink:
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well i would run it first so you know if it will be a problem with urself first. This is my last week of my cycle it will be TRN solo and im running only 100mg of 6oxo each night and switching to ATD at PCT.
 
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