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    Androgenic/Anabolic ratios


    This was reposted over at BBB by MyTMouse. Orig posted at T-M by may1963.

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    Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
    1-Testosterone--------------------------100------200
    Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--50------100
    Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
    Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
    Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
    Anavar(Oxandrolone)-------------------24------322-630
    Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
    Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
    Androderm(Testosterone)---------------100------100
    Androgel(Testosterone)------------------100------100
    Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
    Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)--------------1,800------4,100
    Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
    Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
    Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
    Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)-----------40-60------90-210
    Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
    Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
    Durabolin(NPP)----------------------------37------125
    Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)---------37------125
    Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
    Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
    Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
    Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900
    Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
    Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
    Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200
    Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)-----25-40------62-130
    Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
    MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
    Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
    Methandriol(Mythelandrostenedi ol)-------30-60------20-60
    Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600
    Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
    Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
    Methyltestosterone-------------------------94-130------115-150
    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
    Myagen(Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
    Nilevar(Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
    Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
    Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
    Oral Turinabol------------------------------None------100+
    Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
    Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
    Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
    Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
    Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)-44-57------88
    Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
    Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
    Proviron(Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
    Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
    Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)--20-60------50-90
    Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------400------20
    Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
    Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
    Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
    Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
    THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
    Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
    Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------30------320
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    Thanks! Great to have a list to compare, I used to look them up individually.
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    Good post! And what a name, Orgasteron lol. I know i'm a pig, lol. Look at how weak primo is! And look how good Parabolan is. Also look at M1t Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600, that explains the insane mass gains.
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    Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200

    Isn't that PP? Those numbers can't be right. No way it is that anabolic and SD is 1/3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    Good post! And what a name, Orgasteron lol. I know i'm a pig, lol. Look at how weak primo is! And look how good Parabolan is. Also look at M1t Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600, that explains the insane mass gains.
    yeah. I can see why Big Cat is all over MENT. It's the most anabolic non-17AA ever.

    MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
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    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Good gravy


    I don’t know what that is, but I would imagine a cycle of that would literally turn you into a silver back gorilla haha. Great post though bpmartyr.
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    Yep ment is on the to do list now, lol
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    The numbers for 1-T are wrong, it is 100 / 700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner
    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Good gravy


    I don’t know what that is, but I would imagine a cycle of that would literally turn you into a silver back gorilla haha. Great post though bpmartyr.
    It's Methyl Tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    Yep ment is on the to do list now, lol
    Good luck with that one bro! haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf
    The numbers for 1-T are wrong, it is 100 / 700.
    Yeah, it sure puts me to sleep like 700! LOL

    I have read many conflicting reports as to it's rating. Seems the ones that give it a 200 rating compare it to test as 26. The idea of it being 700% more anabolic does seem to be the concensus however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner
    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Good gravy


    I don’t know what that is, but I would imagine a cycle of that would literally turn you into a silver back gorilla haha. Great post though bpmartyr.
    Not only that, but it would turn your liver into what that gorilla sh1ts out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT
    Good luck with that one bro! haha
    no kidding. i know guys who'd sell the first born child for MENT.

    any clue why danazol (an anti-androgen) is the same as deca????

    anyone know the A/A ratio for 17a-hydroxytest aka M4OHT?

    i saw this list a while back and it put me in a hunt for some of the more promising anabolics - norbolethone, oxymesterone and such...

    some of this data is REALLY misleading....

    Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner
    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Good gravy


    I don’t know what that is, but I would imagine a cycle of that would literally turn you into a silver back gorilla haha. Great post though bpmartyr.
    ITs used for elephants i believe, mdien is supposedly the closest thing to it.
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    Nice post BP!

    I think the numbers for Superdrol are switched, though. The original DS writeup listed it as 20% as androgenic and 400-800% as anabolic (as methyltest).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf
    The numbers for 1-T are wrong, it is 100 / 700.
    Yeah, I noticed that aswell. Then again, it's only 7x more anabolic than test in rats. I think 100/200 is more reasonable for humans, but that would be difficult to measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old
    no kidding. i know guys who'd sell the first born child for MENT.

    any clue why danazol (an anti-androgen) is the same as deca????

    anyone know the A/A ratio for 17a-hydroxytest aka M4OHT?

    i saw this list a while back and it put me in a hunt for some of the more promising anabolics - norbolethone, oxymesterone and such...

    some of this data is REALLY misleading....

    Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304???
    I agree. good list but some of the #'s are off. I've given up on m4ohn. I'm giving the rest to my wife in hopes she can benefit from it.
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    This isn't source postin but ya i CAN get ment i'd just need to make it into an injectable myself .
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    This isn't source postin but ya i CAN get ment i'd just need to make it into an injectable myself .
    yeah me too. but i have no idea or desire to do that at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    This isn't source postin but ya i CAN get ment i'd just need to make it into an injectable myself .

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    cool post thanks!!!
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    lol JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAALOUS? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by doom3q
    Yeah, I noticed that aswell. Then again, it's only 7x more anabolic than test in rats. I think 100/200 is more reasonable for humans, but that would be difficult to measure.
    Agreed.I've never felt 7x anabolic effect compared to test.
    2x sounds more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostam
    Agreed.I've never felt 7x anabolic effect compared to test.
    2x sounds more accurate.
    At what doses and delivery method? I ran both test and 1test in a suspension at 75mg ed and it seemed exponentially more potent. I was practically falling asleep while driving and the strength gains made test seem like creatine in comparison.
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    Here i was thinking Kells in the closet was making you sleepy, and you tell me your maschistic ed poking mad eyou sleepy nah i am straight. Dbol had my boy sleepy as sheit, but its no worse than M1t like Nulli, I would scream to stay awake in rush hour traffic! what were the gains again on your stack. ANd Idunk I have heard some crazy things about Methyltren on 200mcgs a day.
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    You wanna talk about crazy, what the hell did you just say in that post?!?!

    Not sure if I understood any of that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idunk42
    You wanna talk about crazy, what the hell did you just say in that post?!?!

    Not sure if I understood any of that!
    That's what I was thinking... AP sounds like I feel right now (hung-over )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    Here i was thinking Kells in the closet was making you sleepy, and you tell me your maschistic ed poking mad eyou sleepy nah i am straight. Dbol had my boy sleepy as sheit, but its no worse than M1t like Nulli, I would scream to stay awake in rush hour traffic! what were the gains again on your stack. ANd Idunk I have heard some crazy things about Methyltren on 200mcgs a day.

    Haha, I understood it guys. Some inside jokes lingering in there.

    Gains were predominately strength oriented as I did not increase cals above maintenance. Hard to give credit to just one compound alone as PP and test were run in conjunction with the 1T but in a prior 1T/4AD run I saw a 5-10% increase on most lifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf
    The numbers for 1-T are wrong, it is 100 / 700.
    you are 100% correct sir.
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    You guys need to remember here that when people do studies like this they are not always using the terms androgenic and anabolic in the same way we do. Often they judge and compare these by taking mesurements of odd things (usually post mortem). They do this so as to avoid the results being subjective. So if the number don't quite jive with what you know......
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    Great post, thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
    ITs used for elephants i believe, mdien is supposedly the closest thing to it.
    Did mdien ever show up numbers like those though?

    I mean, good grief; who could stand to take Metribolone?
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    how can superdrol be 20? Everyone gains 12-20 pounds in 3 weeks on that stuff. I don't know anything else comparable except m1t and anadrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifthardheavy
    how can superdrol be 20? Everyone gains 12-20 pounds in 3 weeks on that stuff. I don't know anything else comparable except m1t and anadrol.
    Numbers are backward, it is 400.
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    As Skye alluded to, these numbers are not always in line with what measurements users may observe and there is a reason for this.

    Here is an explanation as to why given by Big Cat:
    "These values are entirely useless. They are determined by comparing the ventral prostate weight in rats to the levator ani weight. Apart from simple little flaws in that reasoning, like the fact that different species show different responses to androgens, the major flaw is that the levator ani is not representative of the anabolic effect because it is an androgen-dependent smooth muscle, and not a skeletal muscle. Skeletal muscle response will not even come close to these figures.

    The ventral prostate is also not an accurate measure for androgenic activity. First of all it says nothing about how skin and scalp will react, the level of virilization etc. On top of that the prostate weight is determined by such a multitude of factors that the activity of a steroid on other receptors, causing an increase in VP weight, cannot be excluded.

    Conclusion : These figures serve no purpose whatsoever in determining anabolic or androgenic effect, or anabolic:androgenic ratio.
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    I cannot trust those numbers. For example:

    Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)-44-57------88, which would translate into an anabolic androgenic ratio of about 2/1. That's just unreal... methenolone has been used for decades in children an women and has turned out to be remarkably safe, with almost no virilization side effects. Furthermore, scientific literature tends to support the thesis of an anabolic androgenic ratio of about 20/1 (and not 2/1):

    "A randomized blind prospective study was carried out to determine if an anabolic androgenic steroid with a high anabolic/androgenic ratio, Group A, (1/0.05) methenolone enanthate (me)"

    J Invest Surg. 1990;3(2):93-113.
    The effects of testosterone propionate and methenolone enanthate on the healing of humeral osteotomies in the Wistar rat.
    Frankle M,
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    Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
    Odd, I always thought this anabolic steroids was very mild androgenically speaking, I cannot think about it having a ratio of about 3/1, as that figure suggests. More like 30/1 than 3/1...

    Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------400------20
    That's insane... a 0,05/1 ratio? Twenty times as androgenic as it is anabolic? Those figures are similar to those of DHT... not superdrol...
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    i thought the deca # was pretty accurate. many get acne and aggression on deca...

    anyone know why primo isnt that strong? it's 1-methyl-1-test, which if anything like 1-Test should knock you on your ass with anabolism. i dont get it.
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    danazol is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor and potent anti gonadatropin. why do i know this? when i was 16 my doctor put me on it because i asked him if he could do anything for my pubertal gyno flaring up. i gained about 10 lbs on that stuff and started doing research on its anabolic properties. i did do a PCT with what i could obtain back in those days, without telling my doctor.

    he said it wouldnt shut me down one bit

    every anabolic steroid has both androgenic and anabolic properties. Even proviron is minimally anabolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neurotic3
    That's insane... a 0,05/1 ratio? Twenty times as androgenic as it is anabolic? Those figures are similar to those of DHT... not superdrol...
    you do know superdrol and DHT are not very far apart in structure (still, i agree with you - superdrol feels very anabolic and not remarkably androgenic - no acne, not alot of strength, little MPB concerns, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822
    danazol is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor and potent anti gonadatropin. why do i know this? when i was 16 my doctor put me on it because i asked him if he could do anything for my pubertal gyno flaring up. i gained about 10 lbs on that stuff and started doing research on its anabolic properties. i did do a post cycle therapy with what i could obtain back in those days, without telling my doctor.

    he said it wouldnt shut me down one bit

    every anabolic steroid has both androgenic and anabolic properties. Even proviron is minimally anabolic.
    the most notable thing about danazol is the anti-androgen properties...which is a REALL bad thing. i wonder what made u gain that weight back then. how long did u run it?
  

  
 

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