PCT - No erection
- 08-22-2006, 11:31 AM
PCT - No erection
post cycle therapy - No erection
There are plenty of threads on this and how to run a restorative PCT but I'd like to find out how many people have been in a similar situation, what their cycle looked like and their PCT and how long did it take to fully recover.
I finished the last cycle I'll ever run 2 weeks ago.
16 week cycle
1-4 50mg DBol
1-13 500mg Test-E
11-16 100mg Prop EOD & 75mg Tren-Ace EOD
I ran HCG the last 6 weeks of the cycle. 500iu E4D, 1000iu twice during the final week.
Wk1 - Clomid 150mg/d
Wk2 - Clomid 100mg/d, Nolva 55mg/d
Wk3 - Clomid 50mg/d w/ Nolva 60mg/d
Wk4 - Clomid 50mg/d w/ Nolva 60mg/d
Wk5 - Nolva 40mg/d
Wk6 - Nolva 20mg/d
DHEA 100mg - 150mg/d
Fenugreek 1 gram/d - 5grams/d
The 2nd week ends today. My testicals seem to be full and I'd say almost restored but my libido and erections are almost null. Morning wood yesterday but not today. THIS is a terrible feeling for sure.
Does anyone have any similar experience? How long did it take to get back to normal?
- 08-22-2006, 11:38 AM
cant help w the pct but can w past erection/libido problems
z-force by dymatize helped me
4 pills before bed
- 08-22-2006, 11:41 AM
10g of arginine, 5g split twice daily + maca
if that doesn't work, you can use tadalafil...
08-22-2006, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the suggestions guys....I'll try both products. I wanted to try to avoid Viagra or Cialis but the problem is I have a girlfriend who needs it all the time. Hence my anxiety.
08-22-2006, 11:59 AM
im sure your anxiety is half of it as wellOriginally Posted by meowmeow
08-22-2006, 12:09 PM
I have this problem pretty regularly after cycles. Basically, I think it relates to the newer and better PCT drugs crashing your estrogen levels and ratioes down. Since estrogen(s) are a key component of libido, one basically has to wait until these levels/ratioes return to normal which for me occurs a week or two after ending all PCT compounds.
Using a trib based product to spike your LH levels does help somewhat. The Alpha Drive XL I am testing really does seem superior in this department. I've been having a slow but steady rise in libido since being on it. I would play around with the dosing more, but I am testing it for BioScience so I want to keep things consistent for the test..but methinks 2 pills, 2-3x per day would put some serious lead in your pencil.
08-22-2006, 12:11 PM
Ah yes...thank you my friend. That is just the info and advice I was looking for.
Originally Posted by bioman
08-22-2006, 12:40 PM
great advice!Originally Posted by bioman
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08-22-2006, 01:04 PM
I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the poor choice in your cycle layout which very may well have led to this problem. Trenbolone is notorious for recovery issues during Post Cycle and definitely was not a good choice to end your cycle with. It shuts you down, very quickly and completely and has been shown to reach stability around the 3-4 week mark. Basically all you were doing running it for 5 weeks at the end of your cycle was setting yourself up for an extreme shutdown during Post Cycle with most likely less than anticipated effects from the Tren. If you do decide to run a cycle again, run it far nearer to the beginning and run your Test at least two weeks past the Tren to hopefully avoid some of the issues you are experiencing now.
I agree with Bioman, something to stimulate LH production would be your best bet in helping this issue.
08-22-2006, 03:42 PM
Yeah you're right on that...I've never had this type of trouble post-cycle before. This was the first time for Tren so that has to be the culprit.Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
Thanks for this advice...Tren is far more harsh on my system then test. Far harsher then I had previously believed it would be.Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
Is there anything better than Tribulus to stimulate LH production?Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
I don't think HCG which simulates LH would be beneficial at this point...probably further supress natural LH production...right?
08-22-2006, 04:06 PM
progesterone and estrogen inhibit LH secretion
Post Cycle LH Levels
Post Cycle Testosterone Levels
Figure I. LH and Testosterone measurements starting 1 week after the last injection of 250mg of testosterone enanthate (pretreated measures were 5 mU/ml and 4.5 ng/ml respectively). Note that between weeks 1 and 5, as testosterone levels are declining due to the cessation of exogenous androgen administration, LH levels are already rebounding. From weeks 5 to 10 testosterone levels are at or very near baseline, to spite the substantial LH levels by this point. No significant increase in testosterone is noted until after the 10-week mark.
Negative Feedback Loop
Might not even be LH causing the problem, but really its worth a shot. Trib seems to be the best thing for it also some of the other saponins and some other things could help. Avena, Eurycoma, Fenugreek, Maca, Muari, ect
08-22-2006, 06:25 PM
Thanks ECTOmorph. Wow from those charts it seems like it takes a while to reover fully. I picked up some Z-force today so I'll give it a try.
08-22-2006, 07:18 PM
To help with the mental aspect of ED you need to do a few things to keep your self confident. Supplements aside a perfectly healthy man with some anxiety can go tottaly flat with the sex drive. So if i were you id choke the chicken a few hours before your anticipated meeting so you know that pete works. Now your levels are quite low so dont spend your pennies all in the towel. lol but honestly the ability is there but its just not going to be as easy to motivate your member, find something motivating as it will be a chore to have sex without it.
08-22-2006, 07:31 PM
I have a nymphomaniac wife so I know where you're coming from.. Good luck getting it back together... Oh and Cialis works for a good couple of days.. If I'm having any trouble, I can take about 10-15mg and be set for 48 hours or so.Originally Posted by meowmeow
08-22-2006, 08:42 PM
I needed that laugh today thank you my man.Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
08-22-2006, 08:49 PM
Thanks Zero. I'm glad you understand...I wasn't complaining about her sex drive before...but now my fingers are sore and my tongue is numb. LOLOriginally Posted by Zero Tolerance
It is good to know that low dose Cialis works well for this predicament.
08-29-2006, 02:51 PM
ECTOmorph those charts are really helpful and helped me keep my sanity over this. Thanks for taking the time to post them.
I can see that it will probably just take time. I am getting intermittent morning wood...solid one morning...nothing the next morning...so hopefully it will get better here on out.
This thread should serve as a serious reminder that Tren will shut you down hard especially if you close with it in your cycle. I love what it did for my physique but it isn't worth the pain of post-cycle libido crash IMHO.
08-29-2006, 06:46 PM
you will be perfectly fine .. bioman and mullet are both completely right
just keep what you're doing and after 4 weeks get a blood test, or at least keep going with pct for 6 weeks
i bet you're hard again in 1.5 weeks tops
08-29-2006, 06:51 PM
I always like L-Arginine and Cayenne at night with some Valerian and Passion Flower. I had some luck with my LB log.
08-31-2006, 06:48 AM
MeoMeow, how did this end up turning out. What did you take to fix the problem, or did it fix itself?RR
08-31-2006, 11:53 PM
Well I just finished the 3rd week of post cycle therapy and I am a little better. I can get hard if I use somewhatgifted's method BUT it is a lot of work.
I have 3 more weeks of PCT...I might even extend it a bit. I HOPE that Bioman is right and that my libido will come back when I stop supressing the estrogen.
I have been using SERMS (Clo & Nolva) and z-force (tribulus), Fenugreek, Maca, DHEA.
Next week I drop the Clo (4 weeks of it) and continue with the Nolva.
I've stayed away from Arginine only because I know it is a temporary fix...like Viagra/Cialis. I want it to come back on its own.
Thanks for asking RenegadeRows. I'll post my results here when I recover fully or when I go get some bloodwork done.
Originally Posted by RenegadeRows
09-01-2006, 12:03 AM
09-01-2006, 04:30 AM
09-12-2006, 09:25 PM
Update - Getting a lot better
After 5 weeks of post cycle therapy I am happy to report that the libido is strong again...and the erection quality is slowly returning to normal...its not yet fully restored though.
I am still using a SERM and will for another week or two...
Other things I used that I feel helped were:
Z-Force (Tribulus & ZMA)
I am hoping that when I finish the SERM and estrogen rebounds I'll have my erection quality back.
Thanks guys for all the advice and encouragement...it helped a lot.
09-12-2006, 09:36 PM
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