What to expect from Prop (pain)
- 08-20-2006, 11:15 PM
What to expect from Prop (pain)
Well i'm just wondering what i should expect from the test prop. my first cycle was Test E and oral turanabol so i didn't have to worry about the short estered side effects (soreness, irriation etc)
if i'm doing test prop and npp in the same injection will it help with the prop pains that i've been reading about? Should i work out the muscle group i inject at the same day so i dont have to worry about not being able to work out that muscle the day after injecting that site? And finally are there any recommendations for using Prop to help with the pain (heat/ice pad etc...) and what sites do you prefer to inject prop at (i'm doing glutes and delts for sure...are those 4 sites enough for EOD injections?...i'm a little scared of any other sites like quads..i like to walk)
here is my cycle though
150mg NPP EOD
100mg Test Prop EOD
50mg Adrol ED (or 40mg Dbol ED)
this is a six week cycle so i'll be doing 18 injections (if i calculated correctly)
- 08-20-2006, 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Bait
Run the Prop 8 weeks. Are you homebrewing it? If you are there are ways to make it less painful that I've read about. There was also a thread here about some sort of pH changer that would make the Prop more bareable, but it ended up just helping healing time. You can work out the musvle the same day if you're able to do so lol.
Best advice: slide the tampon in & man up. Do the injection, the pain is temporary. 4 sites is enough, but the more the better to build up less scar tissue. If I was you, I'd rotate between glutes, delts, ventros, & lats.
- 08-21-2006, 12:00 AM
haha yeah i'm sure i'll man up no matter what the sides are...first i was scared of injecting and then i loved it...now i'm scared of short estered roids and hopefully i'll come to love them
also none of the roids are homebrewed...they are british...
(not sure if i'm allowed to post brands so thats all i'm saying...don't want the mods to turn to dragons and eat me)
also i only have enough prop for 6 weeks...someone else suggested this cycle to me and said his friend put on a lot of weight with just 6 weeks, and he is on the cycle right now and doing great.
so i think 6 weeks might be enough since my receptors are still kind of fresh (only going to be 2nd cycle...and my first cycle was a while ago) but i could always get another vial. If i do extend prop to 8 weeks should i do the same for the NPP?
08-21-2006, 12:47 AM
08-21-2006, 01:46 AM
actually for a short cycle that is very good. but that will be 21 injections not 18, 6 * 7 = 42, 42 / 2 =21. Also I would use the dbol and not the drol. JM2COriginally Posted by Bait
the NPP can be kind of stiff so I would be sure to mix the two. Also cutting with EO can help a great deal if necessary, just go to a ED schedule.
4 injection sites will work but it is not recomended, a good rule of thumb is that you do not want to hit any place twice in the same week at the least but it would be better at once ever two weeks. and to be honest if I have painful gear I usually take it high up in the quad or the calf ( mine are big) rather then anywhere in the arms. But that is just my prefrance.
08-21-2006, 02:57 AM
600 mgs a week of NPP and 400 of test...are you worried about deca (nandralone) ****? there is always my (and my girlfriend's) buddy cialis.
i have never used drol but think i would love it. high dose (50mgs a day and over) dbol will give you the same effect of anadrol without the "off" psychological feeling drol tends to give.
on a side note, id love to give drol a try
08-21-2006, 05:22 AM
IMO you need more than 4 sites for EOD injects for prop. I tried just 4 sites and let me just say, I wont ever touch prop again.
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08-21-2006, 08:43 AM
i'm not really sure what you are asking about deca ****? do you think the doses are too low or is it because there is more deca than test per week?Originally Posted by jomi822
I'm not really worried about it though.
*skye what is EO? and you are suggesting to go to everyday injections over EOD?
Also i'll add in quads to the injections...i dont know about calves though
08-21-2006, 09:08 AM
When dealing with nandrolones its always a good idea to keep the test dose at least equal to the other compound. (most do this as a rule of thumb in order to combat with any libido issues)
08-21-2006, 12:03 PM
there is human grade prop that is painless...all the UG stuff stings, though.
be careful with EO use on short estered gear - there is talk that the EO actually slows down diffusion of the hormone. when i was on UG EO-based prop i noticed the depot for almost a week (not pain so much as being aware that it's there), and didnt get nearly the response i got from human grade...and i was on 200mg EOD.
08-21-2006, 01:00 PM
i am using homebrewed prop made with an EO/Oil blend. 60% eo, 40% oil. i can't compare it to anything else since this is the first time ive used prop. im doing 150mg ED of the prop and 50mg ED of tren. the pain was there for the first few injections i DO NOT recommend pinning before a workout. ive found it best to do the pinning before bed when on prop. the pain isnt bad at all now since ive been on for about 8 weeks already and im shooting ed. i plan to be on for about 16 weeks. once i run out of tren im going to up the prop to 200mg ED and probably run dbol or a-bombs the last 4 weeks on.
same_old, do you have any articles or anything on the eo slowing diffusion? does this lessen the effectiveness of the hormone, or does it just take longer to build a steady level in your body? (as opposed to the prop taking a week to kick in and test e taking 5--would the eo make it more like 3 weeks?) can you elaborate a little.
08-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Bro, where did you find step by step directions on homebrewing the prop from syno? Also what kit did you use if any? Do you know anything about synokits.com? How's your cycle going? I plan on running a very similar prop/ace cycle as soon as I brew the prop from syno.Originally Posted by Irish Cannon
08-21-2006, 03:50 PM
I didn't find the pain bad at all and i ran it for 10 weeks at 150mg eod with 75mg of tren ace eod as well.
08-21-2006, 09:31 PM
i dont know if im at liberty to discuss where i found the directions considering the new board rules. i didnt use a kit, i just bought everything seperately. i checked out synokits.com because i saw a link on here and it looks like a waste. comes with a dvd and everything; screw that. probably costs much more than you need it to. the cycle is going good for the most part. definitely better than my previous test e cycle. had some gyno issues. thats about the worst thing i can say about it. other than that its golden. and very easy. one tip i will give you...i made it using the normal powder method rather than crystal method. the easiest thing to do is to prefilter with a .45um syringe filter and then refilter with a .2 syringe filter. once my stuff was prefiltered i was able to easily get 70ml through a .2 filter without clogging. the .45 will clog after about 30ml.Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
08-21-2006, 10:15 PM
08-21-2006, 11:26 PM
alright so basically there isnt anything i can do about the pain that may occur but suck it up and rotate sites?
thats fine with me and i'll have to deal with it. does anyone have any experience with a cycle like mine and how did it work for you?
a little off topic but how hard is homebrewing? (i've never even thought about it but it seems interesting)
08-22-2006, 08:02 AM
Worked great. as for the pain what I told you above works. and homebrewing is probably the single best option, no fakes, no questionable gear and you can test your powders.Originally Posted by Bait
Also your dosages looked fine to me considering the ester weight differnce and the added dbol. you should grow like a weed.
08-22-2006, 01:44 PM
Skye or Irish, is there any way I can get in touch with you guys? I'm having some homebrewing issues that I think you might be able to help with.
08-22-2006, 06:26 PM
you can post or PM me at "www.chemicalfitness.com".
08-22-2006, 07:31 PM
using EO for the pain right? i searched for it and all i found was 750ml for $250 or something...and i dont think i need that much...any help?Originally Posted by Skye
unless it does mess with the prop then i dont know if i want to do it, i could just take the pain.
08-22-2006, 07:45 PM
08-22-2006, 11:10 PM
i think i spent $20 for 100ml of EO. maybe it was $30. 500ml for $30 is pretty amazing.Originally Posted by Skye
08-23-2006, 10:06 AM
skye i bookmarked that site just incase
i'll be starting this cycle with in the next month (probably 3 weeks) if anyone is interested i'll try to keep up with a log
08-23-2006, 10:08 AM
just remember to mix the two when you take them, they will cut each other a littleOriginally Posted by Bait
11-21-2006, 06:23 PM
everyone is different I am doing 4 sites and it is fine by my third sit e the fourth no longer hurts. I am doing quads and glutes. its been three weeks today. and my glutes are recovering in a day. I will actually go down to two sites just the glutes.Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
11-21-2006, 06:34 PM
I am not saying that you are but 18ysmannn is not a good name to be posting in a 21 and over forum.Originally Posted by l8ysmannn
I take it you have no experance with scar tissue, 2 sites is not a good idea.
11-23-2006, 08:40 AM
Okay first it's not 18 its L8ysmannn an L not a 1, so I think my name is okay for this forum I have seen alot worse. Your probably right about the two sites.:bb2: :bb: :good:Originally Posted by Skye
11-24-2006, 12:52 AM
sorry it looked like 18Originally Posted by l8ysmannn
as for the two sites you really do not want to hit the same site more then once a week min, once ever two weeks is better. Remember that "sites" doens't mean a differnt muscel group, I can easily hit 3 sites in each quad.
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